Ive been thinking of going caffeine and alcohol free for a while. Alcohol wouldnt be an issue but I really love coffee.
I have, in fact, been told I am a man of very little substance.
I’ve been told I’m a man of very many substances
I don’t think I could make it through the day without oxygen.
Dihydrogen Monoxide addict too aren’t you?
I’m absolutely dependent on it, can’t live without it. First thing in the morning and everything.
SPONCH are my friends!
Don’t forget about your other acquaintances CaNaCl, it wouldn’t be the same without them ;-)
CaNaCl sounds like a card game you play with grandma.
And an assortment of minerals.
Oh you
I drink tea, but not like a “coffee drinker” drinks coffee, nor how the average American drinks soda.
The caffeine doesn’t feel noticeable to me, but I am still mindful of drinking it right before bed.
I just like my oolong sessions.
Clean all my life but I’ve been thinking
The nukes are about to fly bro, just enjoy life.
I plan to!
Why go caffeine free?
I sadly figure the oil companies will make us all go caffeine free in the medium to long term, so may as well enjoy it now before it becomes a luxury of the wealthy.
For one, to see if I can (been drinking coffee since I was maybe 7 or so)
For two, because maybe I’d feel better or sleep better !
withdrawals can be rough, but I think it’s worth trying
Reduce very slowly, and you’ll be fine.
Maybe I’ll try only 1 cup of kaf a day to start then do every other…
yes, a gradual taper is a good idea - much better than cold turkey.
Eventually switching to black tea, then green tea, then white tea would also help.
Might also be good to keep a log as a way to ensure you know exactly how many mg of caffeine you’re consuming, and to keep yourself honest.
I’ve been using decaf at home for a couple of years now. Then again I wasn’t really dependent on caffeine so it wasn’t hard for me to switch.
I’ve been having caffeine for about a decade, around 400mg a day. It has changed my brain, so tapering slowly seems like the only sustainable solution.
If I go cold turkey I’m just too miserable and cognitively incapable. I think my sweet spot is around 5% reductions every 4-7 days.
Just wanted to let you know that maybe your target reductions could be even smaller.
If 5% every couple of days is too slow, I’ve heard people doing up to 15% every couple of days. Of course, the only way for you to know what works for you is testing it.
I’ve quit twice to see the effects. Crushing headaches start in 24 hours and can’t be relieved with anything but caffeine. Yet mere sips of coffee/tea taken daily can stave off withdrawal. With < 2 cups of coffee total, you can wean yourself off completely symptom free.
Day 1 150ml
Day 2 125 ml
Day 3 100 ml and so on.
I don’t drink coffee after 3pm for that reason, and it’s definitely helped with settling for sleep at night. Good luck with your efforts.
Pretty sure there is some caffinated tea leaf that is native to the USA.
Edit: Ilex vomitoria
Very cool, never heard of it… What an unfortunate latin name due to colonial misunderstanding.
I’m sure more enviromenally-hardy caffeine producing plants like this will become more popular and economically relevant as time goes on.
Yep. It’s alright. It doesn’t taste as good as tea or coffee, in my opinion, but it’s cool. I’ve thought about growing a bush/tree/whatever it’s called.
Caffeine is enjoyable to me but it affects my mental state a lot, in some ways negatively. In particular I feel less able to think about things holistically, way more tunnel vision type thinking. It’s worrying that so many people use it every day and I make an effort not to.
Totally fair enough, thanks for entertaining my curiousity. It is psychoactive which would be concerning about its widespread use if it wasn’t so clearly studied. Kicking the alcohol is definitely a far more impactful improvement to holistic health. Good luck in your efforts.
I have ADHD so caffeine is a useful tool for me, and I do love the flavour and scent.
Thanks, I agree alcohol is way worse (I feel so much better in general since I stopped drinking on a regular basis), caffeine isn’t likely to do major harm to a person using it, it’s just got that subtle influence, which may be a positive thing for you, I just think people should give it more consideration and not let it become an automatic choice.
I love my caffeine, as an undiagnosed but very high certainty person with ADHD. However, I like to go caffeine free every once in a while, for like a week or so, at minimum to reset my tolerance. I can see why someone would want to go without. You don’t realize how it effects you until you don’t have any. You’ll have headaches for a few days, but the withdrawals aren’t too bad.
It’s a drug, like any other. You should try to understand how it effects you and your addiction/reliance on it. Sure, it isn’t particularly dangerous, but I still think it’s healthy to know how your body reacts. I think it’s weird that people treat caffeine as if it isn’t a drug, just because most people are addicted to it.
Ah, the classic tolerance break. Beloved by stoners and coffee drinkers alike.
You should try it - some people report various health benefits. Others report no effect. (and half from both groups are looking at what they care about and ignoring other evidence) Your doctors may have guidance on how it affects you.
I’m only asking for a 2 week trial. Then evaluate if it is worth going longer or not.
One thing that helped me quit coffee was drinking tea. I know it’s still got caffeine, but if you’re drinking 4 or 5 cups a day that brings the amount of caffeine waaaay down.
It also reduces dependency because the caffeine in tea acts more slowly and gives you less of a kick.
Tea has fun flavors too. I’m a favor of the fruit/spice ones like apple cinnamon or orange spice.
The fun flavor ones also don’t necessarily contain caffeine. Only the ones with black/green tea in it do, there are many so-called teas that don’t have any real tea leaves and just make the water taste better.
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, marijuana, ecstasy, and alcohol. Co-co-co-co-co-cocaine.
Definitely not 100%
Great album
As a corporate dev, I’ll keep my weed and caffeine thanks
Just drink less coffee and alcohol then?
“Just”
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You can try barley/chicory coffee for the habit.
Excluding tea: My ADHD meds (aka methamphetamines)
Including tea: That and ADHD meds.i drink a cup of coffee about 4 to 5 days a week. Don’t smoke or drink and never have.
I’d like to try LSD one day.
Lately I’ve been mostly avoiding caffeine, but probably for a different reason than OP.
My goal is to get to the point where if I need to stay alert, caffeine would have a significant effect. So far I believe I’m not there yet, if I ever will be. (Might be genetic)I don’t like the taste or smell of alcohol, so that’s just never been a thing for me.
Never smoked or vaped anything. Can’t understand why people start smoking nicotine, when it seems so obviously terrible.
Alcohol, cannabis, and methamphetamine free since '95. Nicotine free since '03. Caffeine free since '15.
Now if I could kick sugar.
Good luck on the angel dust addiction.
Thanks. I kicked sugary drinks with the caffeine in '15. But still have a hard time with it in general. I will go months with none, then I get an urge for something and before I know it I am Augustus Gloop.
To be fair, that one is a totally natural urge, and it isn’t unhealthy on its own. We crave it because it gives us energy. It’s great for a survival instinct. The issue is we have far too easy access to sugar now, where we trivially get an unhealthy amount. It’s hard to fight biological instinct. It’s like trying to drown yourself. Your body will fight back before you succeed. Luckily our craving for sugar is something that we can attempt to control.
sugar isn’t really an addictive drug and shouldn’t be compared to nicotine, alcohol, meth, etc.
Even if food can function as a reward and lead to compulsive behaviors, you can’t live without food, and eating food (even sugary foods) doesn’t lead to addiction the way we think nicotine does.
So, yeah - incorporate healthier diet and all that, but know that as long as you’re not eating too much sugar it’s actually fine in moderation.
I mean, what’s your point? OP says they struggle with it and want to curb what they see as a problem, that’s the bottom line. Sex and porn aren’t addictive drugs, you wouldn’t walk into a meeting and “um ackschully” it.
Don’t sex and porn release hormones that can act as drugs?
I would believe so, same with food, particularly sugar.
If I remember from my psych degree, it’s technically possible to get addicted to anything that dumps dopamine. Has to do with reward schedules and how much dopamine that reward gives (is the juice worth the squeeze)
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