“BUT THE CHINESE WILL SPY ON US”
Have you seen what the Yanks have been up to?
At least the Chinese cars are inexpensive
It’s pragmatism, try it out some time
I wonder if us Yanks can come over the border and buy some too? I want a byd 😭
US has threatened to not let you get tempted to visit them in a Chinese car.
yes…but if we go there, we might also get a free trip to El Salvador too
Please stay there and put out your dumpster fire of a country
“BUT THE CHINESE WILL SPY ON US”
Have you seen what the Yanks have been up to?
I would rather have neither be using my property to spy on me.
Agreed - my point is that if both are “not great”, except one is cheaper…
China wins
China uses slavery and genocide to get ahead economically. Maybe we should be avoiding both.
I agree - got any ideas how to avoid that and still get reasonably priced electric cars?
America is out: “all you had to do was pay us enough to live”
Open Source! When you can audit the software you know what’s going on!
Didn’t Ford do that, like the literal company. China isn’t a car company and I doubt byd has directly committed acts of genocide so that’s kinda one up for them
Chinese businesses don’t get the loans they need to grow if they are not 100% inline with the party. BYD may not be a genocidal slave owner but they will support China’s decisions every step of the way.
They really did a min-maxed speedrun of capitalism. The rich get to be rich, the government gets to imprison, enslave, and execute anyone who doesn’t support them, and that let them undercut all the existing big names in manufacturing. I would bet that there is a Chinese manufactured part in every home in the world that also has electricity and plumbing.
That’s spot on.
China uses slavery and genocide to get ahead economically.
LOL… like Canada has not?
So just disconnect.
OTA can be disabled by user. or, the SIM card can be removed.
Then why are we not investing in making it ourselves?
Ask the investor class.
If any car manufacturer thought it was profitable it would happen.
if we waited for things to be profitable before making them we wouldn’t have the roads for these cars to drive on
You’re conflating infrastructure with consumer goods. Ask Stellantis how well the Dodge Charger EV is going (less than 2,000 units sold).
Because stellantis makes shitty vehicles in general.
Oh no, they will watch me driving back and forth to work every day.
And to which work and when you don’t etc. they can derive meaningful information from the patterns they capture and you have never thought what they can know from the combined data they collect, have you? Seriously, this abrogation of responsibility from users is why tech fascism is unfolding.
Or maybe, like Tesla employees, they’ll be snooping inside your garage when you and the gf are doing some naughty or illegal things: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/
And like Tesla, they can record and share anything and everything they drive by - your bank, your church, your side girl’s house, your hotel, your office, your drug dealer… everything.
This paranoia is driven by people who think they are so exceptional that foreign governments need to watch them all day.
If this bothers you, put tape over the cameras or pull the SIM card.
Like most EVs, I assume the Chinese will have over the air connections (ostensibly for “updates”) so good luck with ‘pulling the SIM card’
Any programmer worth his salt is going to have a “Your cameras appear to be dirty, please clean them before engaging Drive function” error message.
I dont think Im exceptional enough to follow. I DO think AI is powerful enough to follow EVERYONE and collate all our data for foreign intelligence.
Idk, when daily devices are spywares then it is more difficult for potential spy targets to stay safe.
I think of soldiers using strava and revealing base/ships activities, or government people driving with their personnal car to work, then it is easy to spot them.
the yanks already do
Jesus fuck, this is the shit I heard back around 2006 wrt Facebook.
and in 20 years, nothing has happened. Maybe I’m just not important.
Should BYD vehicles be allowed on military bases, or carrying federal employees?
Are there previous of what models will be available? I’m guessing due to quota it will be their higher end ones.
It’s going to be BYD, but not sure which models. A lot of theirs are quite affordable though.
They also make $80k (in China) Bugatti or Rolls Royce like VIP cars. They would sell out (quota) too quickly at $50k models.
I guess we’ll see soon, the quotas might push them towards higher end cars. But in the grand scheme of things it’s really going to be peanuts either way for a company the size of BYD. Their main goal is likely to just get a foothold in Canada for the long term.
Canadians buy 2M vehicles a year. This deal only allows in 50,000.
When Xpeng wanted to sell in EU, they had to assemble the cars in Austria with Canada’s Magna.
So why is Magna making Chinese EVs in Austria, but not in Canada?
According to Statistics Canada, 264,000 EV’s were sold in 2024.
50,000 of those potentially being Chinese EVs is not a small percentage. That is a significant chunk of our yearly EV sales.
The only reason why EV sales are not higher is we only get overpriced Nazi garbage for the most part.
No. There are genuine problems with EVs in the kind of cold and snow Canada sees in the heartland and up north. But you’ll see lots of EVs in Vancouver, where weather is moderate.
there are tons of EVs in Southern Ontario.
50000 on year one. More later
cause EU is better at negotiating I guess
Assembled in Australis is like saying your ikea furniture was manufactured in your living room.
is like saying your ikea furniture was manufactured in your living room.
JFC Lemmy…
Walk around an ikea. Look at the labels, most of the large furniture pieces are made locally in the same province they are sold.
That wasn’t my point. My point was when you bring the Ikea boxes home and assemble them, that doesn’t make you a manufacturer. That’s the case in Australia, the cars are assembled in Australia like Ikea furniture.
I’m not looking forward to China’s increased influence over Canada, though.
I am because it would certainly be a lot better if people in Canada had exposure to Chinese views instead of living in a bubble of American propaganda.
Like there’s only two choices…you’re a site wide Chinese propagandist, your opinion is worthless.
I never said there were two choices. I merely pointed out that it’s good for people to be exposed to different views. Life’s gonna get real hard for trolls like you because the world as changing, and even Canada has to rethink its racist ways now. Enjoy seething and coping, you’ll be doing a lot of that going forward.
I hope that Stellantis will start manufacturing the EVs here.
Stellantis makes the incredibly terrible Dodge Charger in Ontario. No one is buying them. Stellantis has no idea how to make cars.
That will never happen. There’s no business case for it.
The Dodge Charger EV is made in Ontario.
Recent numbers say 1,947 Dodge Charger EV’s were sold. BYD sold 431K+. Why would BYD build a manufacturing plant in Canada?
https://www.theautopian.com/dodge-now-sells-way-more-electric-chargers-than-gas-powered-ones/
Why would BYD build a manufacturing plant in Canada?
To avoid tariffs, the same reason Xpeng builds cars in Austria for the EU. Dodge only sold 1900 Charger EVs because they are horrible cars and overpriced.
Or China could just say ‘remove tariffs or we don’t buy your canola.’
As an addition, BYD has laready been used slave labour not only in its domestic factories but also abroad such as in Hungary and Brazil.
For this reason, Brazil puts China’s BYD on list of shame for workers’ past slavery-like conditions.
Brazil has put China’s BYD on a registry of employers who have subjected workers to conditions similar to slavery, after a 2024 scandal in which Chinese workers were said to have been victims of human trafficking and abusive contracts.
The list, published by Brazil’s Labor Ministry, carries further reputational risk for the automaker in its biggest market after China.
I don’t understand why such a company is allowed to sell its products.
Oh hey, you haven’t posted for a whole day, were you busy at the rally? https://kolektiva.social/@Gigi/116434332070232583
I don’t understand why such a company is allowed to sell its products.
Better not eat food grown in Canada.
https://cdn.walkfree.org/content/uploads/2023/09/28133439/GSI-Snapshot-Canada.pdf
@Scotty@scribe.disroot.org posting this from a smartphone made in a foxconn factory with suicide nets.
Because a bunch of ‘Canadians’ in high places are about to make some money.
The linked source is a dedicated propaganda outlet operating under the Chinese Communist Party’s censorship regime.
It’s amazing that some users criticize (rightfully) if one posts U.S.-owned media outlets, calling them biased, while the wumaos and ziganwus then post sources directly from a dictatorial government in China.
One thing this SCMP propaganda medium doesn’t mention is that Canadian interest in China-made EVs is tempered by data concerns, according to a survey.
And, yes, all EVs are able to collect data, but if and when the data goes to China we must recognize that it goes to the largest dictatorship in history, and the Chinese government has been using such leverage in other countries for political gains and coercion.
It makes a huge difference, and PM Mark Carney knows that as he himself called out China as Canada’s biggest security threat. This was less than a year ago.
the comment is from a dedicated spam account operating to spread sinophobia and hate
Exactly what vital data will China get from monitoring cars?
What will they do with all that data? There will be exabytes of data flowing from cars stuck on the 403 every day.
What about Tesla data in control of a Nazi and Fascist supporter.
And, yes, all EVs are able to collect data,
Which is the bigger problem.
so just pull the SIM card. BTW…most modern cars collect data, and a lot of driving data is collected by your phone.
What data though? With thousands of cars that can connect to cell networks, wifi networks, bluetooth devices, and gps you get a fleet of war drivers.
By corrilating times, locations and mac addresses it would be trivial to find and track individuals using their personal devices.
Yes any government COULD do this but there would be loads of red tape and negotiating with manufactures. Chinese manufactures have no choice, they ship surveillance software when they are told to or they don’t get to sell internationally.
Any vehicle with OTA access needs a SIM card.
BYD clearly states you can disable OTA in the car menu. If you don’t believe that, it’s easy to locate and pull the SIM card.
They don’t magically connect to data services.
So exactly what is China going to do with exabytes of data on how people drive around? They are going to monitor millions of drivers? how?
Chinese manufactures have no choice, they ship surveillance software when they are told to or they don’t get to sell internationally.
Any serious source for this? How about we reserve the paranoia for our ex-friends down south?
Yes any government COULD do this but there would be loads of red tape and negotiating with manufactures. Chinese manufactures have no choice, they ship surveillance software when they are told to or they don’t get to sell internationally.
Just China?
Any other government would have to work with manufactures operating in other countries, it would be a big project to get all the different parties involved on the same page quietly.
The Chinese government can dictate what Chinese manufactures do, there is no negotiating or wrangling, just you do it or you are replaced by someone who can. Non compliant business don’t get to be international businesses.
That used to be the case. The surveillance model has evolved over the last couple of decades. The governments don’t have to do anything silently. Private corps do it themselves or amonst each other for profit. Then the gov’t buys access. E.g. Palantir, Clearview, etc.
Then recently we even had cases where the owners of copos got into gov’t and scooped up whatever data they wanted without any regard of any red tape.
Besides, if the gov’t is small and business dominates people’s lives, what private corporations do is often much more impactful.
China is different from the western world.
Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
All Chinese corps that work internationally are compelled to work for the party. If that means allowing access to customer data or actively collecting certain types of data then they do it. This means it’s possible to correlate massive amounts of data from many sources in a way that is not feasible for western governments.
Consider, what if China wanted to know where the PM was at any point in time, anywhere in the world? They have access to data collected by every Chinese phone app and every Chinese EV. They could start by identifying the devices owned by the PM’s staff or friends via TikTok, WeChat, Aliexpress, Temu, or a car’s user profile. A lot of users just click “allow all” which gives the app access to contacts, browsing data, etc.
From there they could identify the PM’s devices, even if they have no Chinese software on them, by correlating the mac addresses of devices and their location. If he makes a public appearance and several identified people are seen with him then it gets even easier. Once the PM’s devices’ mac addresses are identified they can be tracked anytime they, or his staff, get within 100 feet of a BYD car or phone running a Chinese app (where the user enabled all privileges).
CIA champions of US help out the CIA back. Same with its allies industrial giants. Nothing stops, and noone goes to jail when Snowden tells you what they’re doing. All of the AI companies tell us that US must race to Skynet… or China wins. The extreme corruption and oppression that is US led is galaxies wider than anything you can accuse China of. US needs to steal all of our money to benefit Israel and Oligarchy. Pure evil corruption needs extreme evil control and oppression. China is just making better stuff, and improving people’s lives as best it can.
I agree that China is different in this regard. The gov’t has superiority over the private sector. That has pros and cons.
Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
I just can’t agree with that based on my observations. Private firms working with the government on profit-driven agendas has been happening for a long time. The gov’t very often hires private firm insiders at decisionmaking positions. And then when the gov’t has a non-profit agenda, private corporations still cooperate because it means better chance to cooperate on a for-profit agenda in the future. This is the economic basis of fascism. All of that is occurring south of the border as we speak.
I understand what you’re saying even if I don’t agree and I don’t expect you to agree with what I’m saying on this one.
E: I find it’s a lot more useful to think that private firms drive gov’t agendas in our systems, not the other way around.
Chinese propaganda outlet though.
Different link saying they’re coming to Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/chinese-evs-canada-timeline-9.7117780
I am a Canadian and excited to see what they’ll sell here. I might even buy one if they do well in the winter.
I guess no one reads the article here either:
But with a limit of 49,000 Chinese-made EVs allowed into the Canadian market at a 6.1 per cent tariff rate, the Chinese auto industry will be strategic in choosing which models to export, according to Frise.
“If they can only export a certain number of vehicles per year to Canada, are they going to want to export that number of less expensive, lower profit vehicles, or that number of expensive, higher profit vehicles? They’ll go for the higher profit vehicles.”
so no, there will not be cheap EVs in Canada, and the Chinese built Teslas and Volvos are already here…WATCHING YOU MASTERBATE.
What part of what I said suggests I didn’t read the article I linked?
a lost redditor appears
China : 2+2=4
Anti-China zealots : That’s propaganda. 2+2=5
Considering if a cheap car will last CDN winters is anti-China?
How many new models from established companies are reliable? How many EVs from any company are reliable?
seem to do ok in Norway in winter. perhaps ask some Norwegians ?
Ask them in 8-10 years. Any car works fine for a few years. There is no data on long term Chinese EV reliability.
It’s stupid to buy a new car model from established manufacturers.
They will just say they are different just like why Canada winter is so different that we cannot use bikes here but they can.
is so different that we cannot use bikes here but they can.
But is is different, Norway has maintained bike lanes everywhere all winter.
If you don’t like cheap cars becuase they are cheap and made in China then why do cheap winter jackets made in China work in winters?
If your point is against EVs in general, than that’s a different point. The only real problem of EVs in winter is charging and range. Reliability is not much of a problem that is a solved problem.
If you don’t like cheap cars becuase they are cheap and made in China then why do cheap winter jackets made in China work in winters?
Sure, lets compare a product of one part, no mechanism, to an electric car.
It’s very clear you don’t know how things work.
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