sigsauer1814
I refuse to believe this account’s posts are genuine and not right-wing agitprop
Stop treating people like dirt and you’ll never have to worry about evil socialism (boo! hiss!) ever again… but, fortunately for the left, that is completely incomprehensible to anybody suffering from liberal brain-rot.
MILEI!, MILEI!, MILEI!
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18-29 “kids”
“You’ll agree more with republicans as you age” was always something I heard from right wing nut jobs when I became voting age. In fact, the opposite has happened.
My aunt said “When you’re older and wiser, you’ll understand”.
I’m now a Democratic Socialist and 37. I still do not understand and have, in fact, become more leftist with age.
I can’t help but wonder if that actually used to be true, but it was because of more accumulated lead exposure over time rather than aging over time.
I’m an old white guy born into conservative religious america, and my entire adult life has been spent sliding to the left as I observe the left being correct and giving a shit about people while the right continues to be disingenuous and destructive and greedy.
very much so, now 61 and way over here on the left from about slightly right of center as a 19yr old voter. The more you see, the more you understand the need for the guillotine
That aside, it’s Caro soooo…
Truth is, it was never about age. It was about asset accumulation. The more you had to protect, the more right-wing you got, generally speaking. There are obviously exceptions.
They fucked everything for younger generations so hard now though that we AREN’T able to accumulate assets to the degree where that shift happens in large numbers anymore. So we are staying left-wing for the most part. Unfortunately they seem to have realized their error and decided to just brainwash the really young gens with AI slop brainrot instead.
It only happens to those that are privileged. But since the previous generations has been pulling the ladders behind them…
A racialised socio-economic buffer in-between liberal elites and the underclasses was the whole point of the creation of the (so-called) “middle class” through Keynesian economics - that’s really what the “New Deal” (in the US) and Apartheid-era economic policies in South Africa was all about. By giving a relatively small (and white) section of the working class a small taste of private property they’d become invested in the colonialist liberal economic order, and it was pretty successful too - it’s the reason why boomers are the way they are.
However, now that Keynesian liberalism has inevitably degraded into neoliberalism (which is really an inevitable process) that pretend-social contract is essentially in tatters - so I guess all bets are off.
Nitpick: the USA didn’t adopt Keynesian monetary policy until after the Nixon Shock, as a post hoc rationale. Keynes helped destroy the middle class, not to create it.
more the time pass more i want make a guilottine factory.
I often heard something similar, in spirit. Roughly translated: “if you aren’t a commie when you’re 20, then you’re heartless; but if you’re still a commie when you’re 40, then you’re brainless.”
I’m 40 this year. Still a communist. I guess that makes me brainless?
I understand that. I self identified as a communist from 17-22 but portrayed it as Democratic and then around 23 I became politically agnostic/undecided and then I went back to my roots as an anarchist and then surprisingly, I tested out the republican side and it’s so easy to become brainwashed and I regret testing that side. I was becoming brainwashed with extra conditioner and I didn’t realize it until I realized that what I was saying wasn’t in line with how I truly felt.
Now I’m back to being a libertarian socialist but I can appreciate capitalism but not to the degree a republican does.
Republicans are the side of law and order and Democrats are the party of understand the countrys needs and I’m not gonna lie if we had a system where they freakin’ worked together, this would be an actual superpower of a country.
I think it’s broken that we have a new political system every 4 years with choices and mandates and laws that dissolve two terms after the seated president leaves, making it so that if said president that put those in motion became president again after those 8 years they’d pick up where they left off which seems dictatorial. (currently happening)
But it is broken that we flip-flop political systems every four to eight years and then expect change for the better and having our voices heard.
I’ve heard it as “if you’re still a communist when you’re 40, then you’re poor.”
You can also substitute communist with socialist or liberal.
Also I’ve heard another version where 20 is democrat, 30 is Republican, and 40 is libertarian.
It’s all “my team” kind of bullshit.
I started out libertarian in my twenties, then democrat in my thirties, now socialist in my forties, and I’m not poor.
I originally heard this as:
If you’re a Republican at 20, then you’re heartless. If you’re a Democrat at 40, then you’re broke.
If you’re not a leftist when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a leftist when you’re 40, you have no brain.
There used to be a bit more truth to that statement. But not anymore. I’m exactly 43 years old.
Republicans today aren’t the Republicans of my childhood and youth. They were bad then, but holy shit they’re terrible now.
37 here. Republicans when I was a kid were Hank Hill. Hank Hill had a heart and a working brain, though, so I have no doubt he would be disgusted by what his party turned into.
He already was.
Though his specific problem was George W. Bush’s weak handshake
Maybe because they expected more of us would have wealth to protect? I always thought it was a stupid idea they told themselves to explain why their kids didn’t like them.
Personally, I’ve always been concerned about corrupt leaders coopting the inevitable wave of power coming to the millennials as the boomers faded away. I didn’t want to become like the previous generation, so I’ve paid extra attention to resisting being convinced to hate “out” groups. Only, the power never transitioned. Egg on my face, I guess.
Hey you never know. It’s probably a good idea for everyone to maintain vigilant like you do, just in case.
Even as a child I knew the older generation was fucking everything up. I kept waiting for them to disappear but they never have…
It’s only as I have grown older that I understand that these terrible people just get replaced with more and sometimes worse people…
You get more and more immersed in right wing propaganda as you get older. You get exposed to more reactionary institutions, you find yourself increasingly segregated from people of different races and income scales, you suffer the psychological torments of the capitalist rat race more nakedly, and it all adds up.
Lots of people I grew up with in high school are Trump Republicans now. They weren’t MAGA shitheads in school, mostly because they were blank slates. They were warm to ideas like “Free College” when they were in college and cooled on it once they graduated (or flunked out). They were “moderate” when they had friends who were coming out of the closet and dealing with racial abuse and coming home in body bags during the Iraq War. But they grew increasingly right-wing when the law firm and the O&G offices and techbro money orgies demanded it of them.
Even before AI started straight up poisoning people’s brains, they were getting into Facebook groups and Discord channels that rotted them. Nevermind the endless barrage of NYT / WaPo “Why These Trump Voters Need To Be Listened To” articles and CBS / ABC “Transgender Athletes: A Threat To Your Kid’s Scholarship?” TV slop that drives so many liberals insane. Nevermind the Zionists, those nice sweet liberal folks whose faces melt right off the moment you suggest butchering millions of brown people might be bad Middle East policy.
Fucking sucks, but time really does turn people rightward when you live in a fascist hellhole.
that’s not being a blank slate though, that’s being so devoid of empathy that you can’t even imagine what it’s like being yourself a few years ago.
that’s not being a blank slate though
It’s people who don’t have a strong opinion because they haven’t been bombarded with a particular flavor of social media yet.
A twenty-year-old is going to have a different view of alternative ethnic groups than a forty-year-old, simply by way of psychological attrition. You can only get so many “Black Man With Sour Face In Orange Jumpsuit” local news jump-scare stories before the racism is bludgeoned into your gray matter.
sure but that’s all predicated on growing up in an individualist culture.
People also become more isolated from “others” as they age, at least those with stable jobs. They are surrounded by people of the same financial ability, and their job keeps them in an area, and their income matches to a house.
It’s not until they get laid off or they have a medical event that they start to think about it again. As long as the life compared to their peers is ok and their bellies are full, they don’t complain about trillionaires.
We need to put LSD in the water supply
Problem now is that even those of us that managed the dream fucking hate them because they won’t share shit due to them being in some weird pedophilia club or something.
I assume in order to not be mad at them you need to have 10 mil invested or something.
Even past this, I think we undersell the socializing value of public schools. This is particularly true of the big state universities, where you’re going to be bumping shoulders with people from the opposite side of the state (even the other side of the country). But even public high schools have a way of co-mingling people from the other side of the tracks for one reason or another.
They are surrounded by people of the same financial ability, and their job keeps them in an area, and their income matches to a house.
Absolutely this. Bigger cities can kinda-sorta avoid this. But the people you know best are going to be your coworkers and your neighbors, strictly by virtue of proximity. One of the perks of social institutions like churches and gyms is that you butt up against people who aren’t perfectly parallel with you in terms of socio-economic status.
I still hate them.
It happens, I’m sure. Constant exposure to propaganda and an increase in money can do that to you. But it didn’t happen to my parents (who are seniors now) and it didn’t happen to me, yet.
My point is, it won’t happen to everyone like I was told by people in the town I grew up and first voted in. I grew up in a conservative hellhole, one that may or may not have one of the most corrupt and theocratic governments of any state, if that gives you any hints.
My point is, it won’t happen to everyone
Sure. Nothing happens to everyone (except the one big thing).
But it happens to enough people such that it shapes general public perceptions and vibes.
I grew up in a conservative hellhole, one that may or may not have one of the most corrupt and theocratic governments of any state, if that gives you any hints.
But I agree, it cuts both ways. I wasn’t a raging leftist in high school. I flirted with Republicans, because they were in the majority. I flirted with Libertarianism, because it seemed like they agreed me on a few things at least. I flirted with the local liberal establishments, because it at least looked like a runway towards progressive policies.
You can only see so much corruption, insincerity, and complicity before it drives you to the fringes. If I wasn’t a fire-breathing leftist tankie wumao third-worlder Bookchin afficianado, I guess I would have ended up doing QAnon shit from the strain of it all.
Ha, I thought theocratic government would narrow it down. It’s Utah.
I’m from Texas. From my experience, it could apply to anyone over here or east straight on to Florida. Nevermind the nightmare politics of the upper midwest or the fascist fuckwit colony of Idaho.
Oh yeah, I mean, religion is everywhere, including in those governments. But the Mormon church quite literally is the government in Utah. The vast majority of the state government are temple-recommend card carrying members of the church, and also went on missions. These aren’t just practicing christians, most of them are bishops or high ranking members of the church.
I think that it’s a difficult thing to understand from the outside, but if you lived there for more than a year, you’d definitely understand what I mean. Utah is a huge bubble. They turn their noses up at anyone perceived as an outsider (in practice, this meant “not Mormon”), including Atheists, people who were agnostic, Christians, Catholics, and people practicing Judaism. The way this was done was very insidious as well, because to your face, they’d be all nice, but then you’d hear their disapproval and judgement through the grapevine.
Anyway, I’m rambling/venting now, but my point is that Utah is about as close as you can get to a fully theocratic state in the US, it’s much closer to something like the Vatican than anywhere else that I’ve lived or visited. Idaho is the way it is because of Utah - it has an extremely high Mormon population as well.
What they actually mean is “You’ll agree more when you’re rich and complicit in benefiting from ever more unethical practices of people around you that you now have to make mental gymnastics about to make yourself still seem like a decent person”. But that’s a bit too long.
Samesies, I have no idea who perpetuates this stuff.
Getting older includes losing your field of fucks to give. If you’ve spent your life bullying and celebrating your ignorance like them, you’ll become more conservative. If your views and your morals have stayed somewhat consistent and you’ve been generous, courteous and compassionate, those values will persist your lack of fucks to give, often pushing you further left rather than right.
Same here. Turns out reality has a liberal bias unless you go out of your way to ignore it.
prior to the internet the establishment controlled public opinion
…or ignored it.
Turns out reality has a liberal bias
Really? Reality is biased towards oligarchy?
No, oligarchy is a poor approach that’s applied to reality and enforced by violence.
This you?
Turns out reality has a liberal bias
Liberalism is a fundamentally oligarchic, right-wing ideology. So what are you really trying to say?
In my country (US) liberals are known as left-wing and conservatives as right-wing.
There is no such thing as a “left-wing” liberal anywhere on earth. It’s a fundamentally oligarchic, right-wing ideology. Always has been, always will be - everywhere.
If you think there’s anything “left” about liberal oligarchy it means you’ve been lied to.
Also… those people calling themselves “conservatives?” They’re just fundamentalist liberals - ie, just liberals who doesn’t hide the fact that they’re all about protecting their private ownership over the economy - the core tenet of liberalism - and care little for the fluff that liberalism has traditionally used to camouflage that core tenet.
That’s all they are.
Maybe you just never grew up and allowing you to vote was a mistake. Have you considered seeing a doctor about this?
What’s worse is whoever posted this added 10.
18-39
I looked at this and assume the person who authored the survey had worded it:
Which Do You Prefer?
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Socialism
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Communism
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No Opinion
Specifically to create a troll graphic for FOX.
Btw, Cato Institute is a fucking Libertarian hothouse of business psychos and CSAM consumers. Take everything they put out with a grain of salt, even it’s a surface level “Oh, that’s good for us”.
Exactly. Cato Institute = Koch Brothers. Two of the most despicable libertarian oil pushing fuck nuts that spawned from hell here on earth.
Two of the most despicable libertarian oil pushing fuck nuts
Technically only one fucknut left from the original four. They Ayn Rand’d themselves sequentially and now the organization they run is mostly burning cash on vanity shit for libertarian baby-brains. But at its height, they were a terror.
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I’m just waiting for them to start a real war and draft everyone under 25-30. I know boomers have been a big issue for a long time but I doubt millennials or gen x care if they purge us and force us back into line.
I’m Gen X, and I care. My kids are Gen Z, so would be right in that age group to get drafted. I don’t want us in any more wars. I know that everyone is different, but I’ve definitely been impressed with my own kids, and quite a few of the kids they grew up with. I’m looking forward to your generation getting involved with politics and the world. I wish more of your generation was actively getting involved now, and helping change their future for the better. The Boomers fucked up a lot of things for future generations, and my generation hasn’t done as much to fix that as we should have. Get involved. Secure your own future. You and the millennials need to work together, or you’ll be no better off than we are now.
The last lines almost made me cry.
Have you seen our generation? Have you truly looked at it? Most people have given up.
Millennials hate us. Most of gen x outside of the parents hate us. Even some of those hate us.
Those sharing bastards
I still think policies should be tested to see if they optimize HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact. Of course in the case of free higher education it’s a pretty easy one to guess the answer to.
Word.
