Probably doesn’t help that Luigi supports the political side that is expressly against increasing healthcare coverage.
He showed that the only way these business listen to working class people about stealing our money and CHOOSING to end our lives is through us making the same decision for them.
Luigi stopped healthcare insurance from using AI, United healthcare even changed how they were denying people to be more fair. However, this lost momentum and a corrupt, business friendly fascist regime came into the picture and gave the insurers their greed back.
Luigi didn’t do what he did for nothing. He showed everyone what is needed, and also showed that it can’t be just one, you gotta catch’em all
Where will “demanding our right to healthcare” get us? We can demand stuff all day long, at best we’ll get ignored. At worst, we’ll lose our jobs (and thus any health care) or our homes or our lives.
The majority of Americans hate this government and the oligarchs who run it. Even if we organized and protested en masse, the billionaires and the deluded cultists who buy their lies will just deride and/or destroy any uprising. We’ve been successfully divided & conquered.
I’m too old to start over. I have a house & a family to think about. I can’t risk losing my job. my healthcare is tied to it. I can’t go starting a revolution. I’m sorry to admit that I’m beat.
90 million people don’t vote. We demand jack shit.
So I agree that this is a problem. It undermines the legitimacy of pretty much every sitting government in history. And it’s something that needs solving. Very important.
But when the choice is between someone who shows no motivation whatsoever to support universal healthcare, and someone who shows no motivation whatsoever to support universal healthcare, I kind of struggle to see the connection between low turnout and low healthcare coverage.
Again, low turnout is a bad problem, and if we had higher turnout, no one could ever say “not my president” about Trump/Biden/Obama/Bush, which is something to aim for. Legitimizing the sitting government is very important, and as such greater turnout is important.
I disagree. But if you need to rest, rest. As long as you know they are horrible people, that is enough for me.
It’s never too late for him to become an influencer.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
I say, as punishment, Luigi should be made POTUS.
That was punishment fit enough for trump, and Luigi has helped far more Americans than trump ever will
(Luigi Mangione) detailed some of his planning leading up to the murder. He said that he was motivated by years of back pain and what he believed was a health insurance system working against him. He said that, once he learned that the UnitedHealthcare Company was holding an investor summit in Manhattan, he e-mailed company leadership posing as an investor to get information about where and when this meeting was taking place.
And that’s how he was able to confront Brian Thompson. Mangione also shared an observation with the judge that had clearly made an impression on him. He talked about how, while he was posing as a wealthy investor, leadership e-mailed him back within an hour, and he said that was in stark contrast to his interactions with insurers as a patient.
Helluva insight there.
Legendary.
you like to solve things with murder?
legitimate act of resistance?
we only want medicare for all, also no police, no prisons
we live in a magical world
Murder has been solving things from the dawn of mankind
What did I say to trigger you to ask me any of these questions?
we live in a magical world
This appears to be projection, given how much of this you made up in your head
I was working on a house for this retired lawyer this week. At dinner he was talking about how hard it was to find Healthcare a while ago because his wife had cancer and he had heart issues. He was talking about the thousands he had to pay then and also talking about trying to pay for Healthcare for everyone at his practice and how horribly expensive that was and how he had to eventually drop it. The very next day I walk by the living room and the news is reporting on Luigi, and his comment was “I wish they would just take him outside and shoot him, but they won’t do that will they”
The disconnect, even for someone so smart, is real
A lot of people really do just absorb whatever first piece of information they get, often from TV, and then never ever question it. If you push them about it, they’ll even defend it.
I’m failing to see the disconnect. Someone can want healthcare reform in the US without supporting cold-blooded murder lol.
You think the man is just against “cold-blood” murder and in the same time advocates for shooting Mangione right on the spot? Funny…
The disconnect is right here on Lemmy…
I mean, the guy did plead guilty lol.
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I totally get where you’re coming from, but let me play devils advocate: when their policy is to deny and dispose which results in the death of so many people, ruins the livelihoods of so many people. When we know the majority support universal Healthcare and we know it would save the lives of like 172000 people every year. The ceo may not kill people with a gun, but he is killing with the pen. When they make decisions that they know will kill people but will also raise the stock price, then what is justified?
I don’t disagree with you at all. I think the corporate class ought to be held responsible. However, I’m not a fan of individuals being the judge, jury, and executioner. Part of the power of the Nuremberg trials, for example, was the exposing of evil and proving the individuals were tied to it. It would’ve been quite different had the Allied forces simple shot the Nazi leaders dead without any sort of trial.
Social murder is what you’re describing. Through policy, red tape, and just wealth inequality people die who didn’t have to.
Well, one of them is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, the other is only responsible for one.
Luigi Mangione sacrificed his freedom for Nothing.
I wouldn’t call removing an asshole who profited on the suffering and deaths of others “nothing.”
Oligarchs in a panic trying to spin the narrative on this “see! It didn’t accomplish overnight system change so no reason to kill ghoulish parasites anymore!”
Ya, many claims are approved in the following morning, he already saved lives.
I’m betting the state prosecutors feared not just the possibility, but the likelihood of jury nullification, and begged the feds to make a deal.
he didnt make a deal though…
Not publicly. But there is a reason why he chose to settle, and that reason is known to the feds.
Luigi didn’t do shit. He clearly wasn’t the guy in the pictures at the scene, and the cops clearly planted evidence
“I shot Mr. Thompson and he died. I knew that what I was doing was illegal.”
I think any doubt has now been removed.
Coerced
Plenty of innocent people have been coerced into falsely pleading guilty. Sometimes it’s the best legal move if you’re getting railroaded.
Yes. We may still think Luigi to be innocent. But the court can no longer do so. Nor can the defense now argue for innocence.
Yeah, I’m a huge fan of Luigi getting a trial and having a happy ending. But what he said seals the deal on that one. It’s all a legal battle now.
It’s explicitly not a legal battle anymore. That’s literally the one type of battle it isn’t. A guilty plea means the only thing left for the court is sentencing. However, many people take guilty plea deals for lighter sentencing if they suspect they’re going to be convicted anyway. The legal battle is over, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other battles still to fight.
As it turns out, he doesn’t take his legal advise from Lemmy.
Still sacrificed for the real person then
Stupid take considering how many centrist Democrats just got primaried.
Right wing Democrats. Not centrists.
DSA and progressive Democrats are centrist. Actually they’re Eisenhower Republicans. Centrist or Establishment Democrats statistically serve only corporate lobbyists (who offer them campaign contributions, PAC support, dark money and cushy high-paying jobs when they’re voted out).
So the Blue Dog Democrats are essentially doing the same thing that Republicans do, only they might listen to different lobbyists. Historically, Republicans like big oil more and Democrats like big media more.
Yes, although everything is relative. Democrats are US-centrist and global-right. That’s still simplified, but…
I emphasize my initial “yes” part of my comment, though, in emphasizing that I basically agree with you, sadly. heh
No. You misunderstand. I’m not saying they sre right wing in the global sense. I’m saying in the context of US politics they’re still not moderate. They are on the radical right wing of their party. These are Democrats that are against equal rights. Against women’s rights. Against Healthcare reform. Against 4th amendment rights. Against police reform. Plus a whole lot more. These are not moderates. Those are not moderate positions in the Democratic Party. Those are all radically to the right of what the members of the democratic party favor.
The media keeps calling the moderates because they’re trying to shift the Overton window to the right, more. That’s why it’s so important that we not continue to use that language as if it’s normal.
Take my upvote.
I understand and only disagree slightly because we’re pretty darned close to being on the same page. I’m just accounting for the Overton window, and you are essentially rejecting it (not its existence, just what it’s done to US politics, which is part of the reason I was specifying US politics).
I get your point and essentially agree; I think it’s a small detail. Only thing I would say is that: Even those Democrats are for more human rights than the fascists. Which is why it’s important to vote blue in the general, but vote for any better options in the primaries, and support better options before the primaries when it counts the most.
And why it’s important to criticize Democrats, but be careful not to overly “both sides” it, which is what fascists preach becuse it gets people to stay home.
That’s why I’m making the distinctions I do… and why it’s both important but sort of trivial at the same time. Important for reasons I stated, but a trivial disagreement with what you’re saying.
I hope that makes sense and rings true enough :)
Absolutely will say I am extremely frustrated with the Democrats holding us back. But also with the American people who, for example, the reason Democrats didn’t support equal marriage rights was because the PEOPLE also didn’t… they’re slower to adapt than the general progressive populace - slow enough that that problem is getting worse and worse - but they also HAVE gotten more progressive over time. But that progress has slowed.
So yeah, it’s a big fuckin’ mess. But I’m like 95% or 98% with you on everything, I think :)
Let’s hope it’s a turning of the tide!
That wasn’t spit
Rain?
That’s it, a single very long and warm raindrop.
Guys let’s keep it real, it’s a revenge story, not some noble act.
Self defense is not violence, it is intelligence. Mangione did the right thing, and the world is a better place for it. And he did this at great expense to himself. This is the definition of noble.
It’s a story about justice, when we are all dying for its lack.
This is one of the cases where vengeance is a noble act.
