remember: hating Israel ≠ hating jews
Correct. It’s just fine to despise anyone who’s genocidal, regardless of religion, race, species, genus, phylum, kingdom, etc. Because genocide is bad.
Also remember: Netanyahu might be the elected leader but he didn’t campaign on doing what he’s doing now. Netanyahu and Smodrych are not Israel, just like Trump isn’t the US.
They dont represent 100% of Israels public opinion, but polls say they do represent about 80%. Thats a whole lot of racist murderers.
Correct me if I’m wrong… But don’t Zionists say that we’re their slaves and after they’re done slaughtering innocent Palestinians they’re going to try to wipe everyone out that isn’t an Israeli?
I’m stretching a bit with my comment but I’m 90% sure that Israel expects us all to just slave for them.
Most western countries are on their knees for Israel… Can’t wait to see how they get in front of Xi Jinping and expect him to bow down.
(Oh… That’s right America will go to war with China to help Israel).
Fuck Israel
I guess I’m moving to China, because fuck that.
Every extremist group has similar goals. You probably don’t want to learn about Islamic groups if Zionist groups are shocking to you.
I am juat gonna say it too:
Fuck society
Fuck humans
Fuck this Saturday (*depending on timezone)Can’t we just fucking live in a sort of harmony? PLEASE.
best i can do is knock-off sci-fi dystopia with a lil taste of broke.
Y’all so brave saying that. Care saying “Fuck Palestine” in these places?
jk, Free Palestine!
Fuck palestine. A miserably failed British colony, created after colonies weren’t cool anymore so they had to call it “Mandate”. The people in palestine need help though, because they are obviously unable to help themselves.
Gotta admit you’re good at this
Im just going to say it.
I dont think about isreal very often. Only when im online, I guess.
Terrorist states that indukge in mass genocide should not be institutionalised as diplomacy.
“DSA JOE!”
Zionism is equivalent to Nazism.
Zionism at its heart is a form of violent Fascism, as well as a form of Settler-Colonialism that maintains it’s prominence and territorial expansion by commiting genocide.
Zionism should be met with the same vigorous resistance and removal from society as Nazism.
Zionism PREDATES Nazism. Modern political Zionism started in 1897, the Nazi movement didn’t begin until the 1920s.
And because SO many people can’t seem to wrap their heads around this concept and keep shouting their ignorance at us I feel the need to constantly yell back at them:
Anti-Zionism is NOT being anti-Semitic or hating Jews or hating the PEOPLE.
Anti-Nazism is NOT being anti-German or hating Germans or hating the PEOPLE.
Anti-Fascism is NOT being anti people or races or religions or literally ANYTHING except the politics/philosophy/actions/behaviors/hate/control/abuse that is fascism.
We are literally ONLY protesting the genocides, the murder of innocent people, the bombing of civilian areas, the abuse and horric conditions, the hate, the racism, the fear mongering, the lies, the gaslighting, the violence. WE ONLY WANT PEACE FFS!!! STOP CALLING US RACIST FOR WANTING CEASEFIRES!!!
Absolutely, I couldn’t have said it better myself
while both of you are only bullshitting the echo chamber
The truth always escapes the echo chamber and rises into the collective consciousness. That applies to all of us, including you.
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Fuck Zionists full stop
Love me jews
Hate Israel
Simple as
I’m a simple man.
I see people being nice, I respect them. I see people hurting others I say fuck ‘em.
You know what I mean? It doesn’t have to be harder than that. It used to be how we showed each other what is acceptable and what isn’t. That… doesn’t seem to “take” anymore.
You would think a group that suffered the most horrific treatment from the nazis would do the exact opposite, not improve on their playbook
That “never forget” slogan seems to mean “shoot first so they can’t” lately.
They missed the part about “turn the other cheek”. Maybe that’s not in their religion, eh.
I’m actually becoming deeply convinced that one of the biggest dangers to the Jewish community is Israel itself.
As things currently stand, they have the power to make people hate Jewish people more than just about anything else in this world.
Not because I’m conflating being Jewish with being Israeli or vice versa, but because that appears to be the message they want to the world to embrace. That is really synonymous with being Jewish.
Look at how quickly right wingers run the world are to jump to calling you anti-Semitic if you don’t appreciate something israel does.
Classic antisemitism.
Classic SatansMaggotyCumFart.
And even more importantly:
FREE PALESTINE!
From the river to the sea
somehow, that is not classified as genocidal…
What being free? Nope, especially if it’s also history for thousands of years
Ideally you would do both.
Yeah, but I think sometimes people forget that the “fuck israel” has to be derived from “free Palestine” and just get a little carried away feeling comfortable in having someone they’re allowed to meaninglessly hate and vilify as the badguy
There’s a great quote that you must love the oppressed more than you hate the oppressor, and that framing made a big impact on me. So much of the discussion online about plaestine is centered on Israeli atrocities, moreso than Palestinian tragedy and loss.
I get why, but the important thing is the liberation of the Palestinian people. Hatred for their oppressor is meant to come from hatred of their oppression.
No I think Ill make my own choice on that, thanks. If I want to hate the oppressors AND the oppression thats my business. I want vengeance for the afronts to humanity. Its not just all fine if the oppression stops. Debts are now owed in a big way.
Justice should often include consequences (and does include consequences in cases of genocide), but if you set the goal as retribution you may lose sight of what justice would actually entail. They are not at all the same thing.
And if we’re choosing between justice and retribution, one of those is a better choice that better honors the suffering of the oppressed than the other.
I’m not saying only do one. I’m saying one of them must come from the other. One of them comes first.
Mossad fucked with EVERYONE’S governments! From USA to Russia. You know, the pedo baby-eater who explicitly mentioned a plan to get rid of the poor.
And Glishaine Maxwell had Mossad awsociation too. Now look what they are doing to Palestine.
Hope you understand, that area needs to be fucking walled off, and anyone prevented from going in. Thanks to the religious nutbags, that entire area is a memetic hazard.
Now I’m not going to say nuke Israel again, but that place needs to be gone one way or another. Idk, deport them to somewhere else, then salt the land and have border guards preventing the place from ever being settled again.
moron.
The place you’re saying to salt the earth is the stolen land of the Palestinians.
Which, thats kinda exactly what I mean by loosing sight of liberation for the oppressed. You’re talking about whether to nuke the (stolen) homeland of a suffering group.
You gotta remember that the point is justice, not retribution. And jutice often should include consequences. But that doesn’t make it the same thing as vindictive persecution.
You don’t understand, so long as there’s some bibble bullshit about endtimes happening in Israel, there will always be someone trying to end the world. That’s the specific issue here.
Of course, it’s someone else’s problem how to solve this ethically 🎵
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This is another good example of saying “Fuck (country name)” they’re usually talking about the government of that country, and not necessarily the citizens. For example, Russia can fuck right off, but I’d expect that most Russian citizens are decent people who are merely drowning in propaganda. Lots of people are, all around the world.
82% of Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of All Palestinians, which is a textbook crime against humanity.
56% support removing every arab/Palestinian CITIZEN of Israel from israel permanently, and revoking their Israeli citizenship based on their race.
47% agreed with the idea of killing every single Palestinian like the biblical wars in their book.
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans
So theres no need to bend over backward to protect the Israeli public. No one assigned these views to them, this is what the vast majority of them choose to believe. many people on this thread try so hard to separate them from their government and assign all the crimes to the government. Except for a tiny majority, this murder and ethnic cleansing is exactly what they say they want and what they support. The problem is not just their governments, its the vast majority of the people too.
Yes even US Americans are probably just decent people generally. I know it’s hard to imagine with some of these countries but we shouldn’t forget people aren’t their governments.
To be fair, at least 1/3 of us are the deplorables who got us here.
And even they are mostly decent people, just misguided by propaganda/misinformation.
Dont do that. We all make choices and we are all responsible for our actions. Actions and choices have consequences when those choices harm others. Its the foundation of human society.
If you hold everyone 100% responsible for their actions, including supporting or condoning governments that mess up this world, contributing to global warming, consumption under capitalism, choices they did not foresee the outcome off, mistakes, etc., then there are no decent people in this world at all.
I don’t think anyone not living in America understands how deeply propaganda is pushed here across media and culture. The ruling class has distorted everything so much it’s hard to have a coherent conversation with most people on real issues. The misinformation and capital class talking points are intensely deep seated.
Eh, the rest of the western world aren’t really any better in this regard, as much as they try to pretend that they are
I think it’s pretty obvious for us here outside the US too. It is like bad body odour, it is harder to notice when you’re inside it and used to it.
Not that we are not used to our stench for that matter.
No. I’ve had several people admit to me that the hatred is the point.
Anyine who still supports this regime is supporting them because of the hatred.
Most people aren’t born hateful. They’re taught it, and you can unteach it too.
I judge people based on their choices and actions.
Some have chosen to embrace the hatred. And so I judge them for it.
At this point in my life, I’m not interested in attempting to redeem people who have chosen evil.
Hate is a multi-billion dollar business in America. The capital class spends obscene amounts of money to keep people hating each other and stoke the culture war. It’s the evolution of the old school union busting on the 1900s.
So you’re hating them back? That’ll teach them!
Their comments are kind of easy to pick out luckily.
Yeah, Americans can be insufferable but I try to consider that they’re indoctrinated from birth and people be people. Birthplace doesn’t dictate the person
I take that approach for almost countries, but I have a hard time with Israel because their polls continue to show 80%+ support for the genocide. That’s a huge portion of the population to be irredeemable.
Same for Russia
I think you’ll find that support for the regime outside of Moscow is poor.
Source?
I thought it was 90%
Where did you read that?
Comments on either here or one of the others
Doesn’t matter 80 is well enough and both track
Might have been confusing the stats for pro-genocide vs “merely” pro-aparthied
They support what they believe. They believe anything bad being reported is just antisemitism.
Tbh, Israelis as a whole invite a lot of hate upon themselves by wholeheartedly supporting outright genocide. Public polling there shows a disturbingly large number of even young, secular Israelis advocate for killing everyone in Gaza, including women and children:
https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis
That doesn’t mean every Israeli or every Jewish person is culpable or suspect, ofc. But I think it’s even more justifiable to distrust the country as a whole as it is to distrust the US electorate after re-electing Trump. Netanyahu is corrupt and bloodthirsty, but his policies still enjoy broad support from voters there.
I fully mean fuck the state and the people of Israel. May their country be destroyed and the lands returned to the Palestinians. Israelis can go flee to the US or something for all I care.
