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No thanks, i already have a widescreen at home.
While i like the design language.
but now you can watch Lawrence of Arabia while the EMTs are cutting you out of the wreckage. TeKNOLOGEE
Can we please stop to directly compare pricing in china with prices in the west? Even if this car will come, its price will likely be at least 50% higher than what the exchange rate suggests.
If they could make it in South Korea at that price, it would be roughly that much (plus transport) in Europe because we have 0% tariffs on South Korean manufactured cars. They can not make it in South Korea for anywhere close to that price though.
China is incredibly protectionist when it comes to foreign cars and in addition it has a very well integrated lithium supply chain that the rest of us can’t match (environmental concerns being one reason we don’t have such extensive lithium mining, manufacturing and refinement in Europe). Cars for the Chinese market are made by subsidiaries owned partially by Chinese (usually at least half Chinese owned, BMW is an exception in that they now own a whopping 75% of their Chinese subsidiary and Tesla gets an exemption altogether because they’re special). So this Hyundai, produced by Hyundai Beijing, will get battery pricing that they couldn’t get even in South Korea despite the fact that South Korea has its own battery manufacturers (LG). I won’t even get into how cheap Chinese labor still is compared to European, though South Korean labor might still be cheapish too compared to Europe.
In response to this protectionism scheme, countries (USA) and trade blocs (EU) with their own automotive industries have decided to put tariffs on China. Because it is, quite literally, impossible to compete in manufacturing with a country of over a billion people not bound by equivalent environmental and labor standards compared to our own, coordinating a unified trade and manufacturing strategy. These cars are artificially cheap.
CATL will sell European manufacturers batteries for over 100€ a kWh. Chinese manufacturers get them for about 40€ per kWh currently. Other manufacturers exist, but CATL and BYD are the kings right now.
With non-lithium battery tech Europe could catch up in part since we could have friendlier battery pricing and perhaps even our own subsidies on it, but right now lithium is still king. Even NMC batteries still use lithium, despite having literally 3 other elements in their name. Catching up on the cost of manufacturing itself means either more automation in factories, or cheaper workers.
Sodium-ion could change this at the cheap end of the market eventually (low energy density, so not great for high-end cars). Much less environmental impact and more abundant minerals.
If they could make it in South Korea at that price, it would be roughly that much (plus transport) in Europe because we have 0% tariffs on South Korean manufactured cars. They can not make it in South Korea for anywhere close to that price though.
Current Ioniq 5 is 50k€ here
Due to the tariffs, mostly. Also the range calculation might be different.
Not only tariffs, also competition is very strong in china and margins are thin. And for the EU, cars likely need some adaption to meet regulatory requirements.
for the EU, cars likely need some adaption to meet regulatory requirements.
Most of that was emissions standards of EURO6.
range estimate, as it is built now would be about 300 miles. epa test more accurately reflects actual driving patterns.
but, it would never be imported as-is, because it’s built to china’s standards, or lack of. substantial cost to engineer and build for other markets with stricter standards would at least double the price (before the dipshit taxes), increase weight, and lower range estimates further.
it’s built to china’s standards, or lack of.
Because US or German cars are well built? LOL
So we have an Ioniq 5, and now an Ioniq V… Which is the Roman numeral for 5. That looks identical to the 5th generation Prius.
Ok so they can still do:
- Ioniq 五
- Ioniq ה
- Ioniq ٥
- Ioniq 𑁫
- Ioniq ५
Don’t forget the Ioniq 101
(For computer nerds)
Ioniq 404: car not found.
More likely the Ioniq 405: Method not allowed!
And Ioniq Five, of course.
Ioniq🖐️
Fünf, cinq, cinco, cinque, vyf, pesë, pet, fem, vijf, viisi, öt, penki, pięć…
Europe alone can probably cover the rest of the century.
I was interested until I hit that photo of the cockpit, my god what a horrible design.
Yeah, why does it have a steering squircle? I should be driving my car exclusively by swiping on a touch screen.
US consumers fucking love big screen TVs in their cars.
This US consumer doesn’t, which is why I’ve been considering replacing my 2014 car with something even older
yeah, I just commented elsewhere that I can’t afford an EV.
however, I would also not buy one because of shit like this. deal breakers for me include:
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spyware
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blinding LED headlights
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lack of physical controls
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excessive touchscreens
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driver distraction features
I’ll keep my carbon footprint as low as I can, but I’m not going to buy a vehicle that I can’t afford that spies on me and is more dangerous than something from 2012
Why does every thread about EVs include comments like this? You are describing the horrible reality of ALL new vehicles as if it’s EV-specific.
I would venture to say that it’s because they’ve implemented all of this prior to the forced regulation.
spyware There are plenty of articles that explain this.
blinding LED headlights There is no realistic regulation on this matter on any car currently.
lack of physical controls This is a massive issue in more ways than one.
excessive touchscreens If it’s a ticket able offense to use a phone while driving, why are touchscreens allowed?
driver distraction “features” A useless function that basically puts in a camera alongside the microphone in the car.
Some car manufacturers are changing back to more traditional things. But most of this will stay.
Also the kill switches. You know it’s bad when regardless of what political spectrum you’re on, that it’s bringing people together to hate these features.
I don’t think most people are say against EV’s; personally I want to convert my old vehicles to EV’s instead of buying a new one. That being said, that’s expensive as well. Peoples wallets are thin and it becomes a moot point to try to convince someone to buy a new car. Let alone the behind the scenes reason on why they’re becoming cheaper; because you get a subsidized vehicle to have data harvested and train whatever tech they’re trying to push out. It would be one thing to be able to rip out whatever wireless and Bluetooth modules there are as well as remove what stores data that can be accessed when you get maintenance.
Yeah, true. What forced regulation are you referring to?
Basically the vehicle kill switches and the monitoring of the driver part. Sounds like a great on paper but you can imagine that it will be used against you. The “advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology” is a disaster waiting to happen, and I’m talking about on a massive scale. You have to use your imagination, it’s kind of like rule 34. If the pentagon got hacked, do you really trust in a car not to be hacked?
because if I were going to buy new, I’d choose an EV
but yeah, it’s fucked that it’s pretty much all vehicles
The spyware is also something that I won’t do, never want to own a car with an internet connection.
ok, so you use a rotary dial phone as well? You are sending more frequent, detailed data from your phone.
That’s absurd logic, just because there’s a thing in my life with some telemetry left over despite doing what I can to disable the rest, doesn’t mean I should just say ‘screw it’ and buy every product that monitors me 24/7.
From Graphene?
what percentage of phone users use graphene?
What is your argument supposed to be here? It sounds like you’re throwing out ‘gotchas’ to try and prove that cars monitoring everything about us isn’t bad.
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I keep seeing all these cars coming out in not the US and all I can think is wow, I sure love all this freedom I have…
I’m sure there euros will love it 🙄
If we even get it. This design isn’t owned by Hyundai. It’s owned by a company that’s 50% Chinese (BAIC) owned, 50% Hyundai, designed specifically for the Chinese market, with “China-specific software”. BAIC has as much say here as Hyundai, probably more.
Until Hyundai solves their ICCU problems, pass
I want to like Hyundai/Kia, but every decade or so, they make a decision that saves them a dollar and costs the consumer$1,000 and I write them off as a car manufacturer for a decade.
+1.
But. The price, and warranty, of some of their EVs is so good that that can be overlooked, in certain living situations. Like if one has a backup car to use during an ICCU failure.
until they don’t have driver distraction features, spyware, blinding headlights, and touchscreens instead of physical controls, pass
I think this is solved for more than a year now.
The last I heard they just swap a malfunctioning ICCU with one identical to it. They haven’t solved the root problem and the new ones might fail in the same way.
No, that is solved for two years now:
For Hyundai, the extended warranty applies to Hyundai Ioniq 5 models built up to April 2024 and Hyundai Ioniq 6 units produced until September 2024. “All Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 vehicles manufactured after April 2024 (Ioniq 5) and September 2024 (Ioniq 6) are already equipped with an ICCU featuring an optimised design,” Hyundai Deutschland said in a statement.
Source: electrive
LOL.
This guy’s brand new 2025 Hyundai had an ICCU failure before he even got it.
Do not trust Hyundai on major quality issues. They fucked so many ICE owners with metal shavings in engines and it hasn’t got better.
I’m skeptical. “Optimized design” is marketing-speak and highly nonspecific. I will still pass until they go a few years without problems
Recent ars article had comments saying maybe as many as 1 in 10 die and the new one is slightly better but essentially the design is unable to be worked around in that generation. Hence the absurd warranty to keep the prices from falling through the floor.
They increased the warranty to 15 years on the older model with the potentially broken iccu version. Only thing really that speaks against it, is high insurance rates
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Pretty much every car I’ve seen in the last couple of years that really caught my eye ended up being from South Korea.
If Europe and NA wouldn’t sanction China, they would surprise us with marvelous and affordable quality cars. But Germany and USA doesn’t like that.
China’s sanctions on European and American (well, all foreign cars other than Tesla, for certain reasons) cars are significantly worse lol.
Their goal is not to compete fairly, but to kill off competition worldwide so they’d be the only choice. Why should everyone else oblige?
This car is a perfect example. It’s not sold or manufactured by Hyundai Motor Company the South Korean company or even a wholly owned subsidiary in China. It’s manufactured by Beijing Hyundai Motor Co., which is 50% owned by Hyundai, 50% by BAIC which also owns 51% of Beijing Benz Automotive Co. Hyundai Motor Company would not be allowed to sell this car in China.
BMW is just about the only western manufacturer to have been allowed to take majority control (75%) of their Chinese entity. The rest are 50% or less.
At the same time, they also have artificially lowered prices for EVs manufactured in China but sold globally. Great for EV buyers, absolute shit for competition.
So for things to be fair, we’d have to tell BYD, Xiaomi, et al “Hey you can sell your cars in the EU but they have to be manufactured and sold by a company owned at least 50% by EU based entities” rather than just having tariffs on cars produced in China (which they can skirt past by setting up manufacturing in Europe).
The exterior design and shape seems to take a healthy amount of inspiration from the XW60 Toyota Prius (2022+).
Things I can’t have
