To be fair Lemmy feels like a brand new mall of stores with empty shelves.
A lot of empty stores, and then the big anchor stores are full of depressing doomer news articles
Don’t look in the changing rooms, they are all full of furries
Well now I want to look
Don’t forget the hexbears:
“You’re all warmongering fascists except Putin!!!”
I try not to label an entire instance, that’s like labeling an entire race, it’s not a healthy way to think about life.
Yes because fediverse instance is something intrinsic like skin colour
Yes because all analogies necessarily represent a 1:1 ratio of severity or scope 👍
Parent comment was pointing out that you pick what instance you use and there are a lot to choose from, so they tend to be fairly homogenous in views (exception being the largest few)
Lol I forgot about those, I banned as many as I could.
And memes
It’s always sad when you go to a community for something you like, something that’s widely popular, and see the newest post is 2 days old.
Especially when you’re the only one posting. At some point, it feels a little like you’re spamming the sub, even if you are the only one keeping it active.
But when nobody comments on your submissions, is it even “kept active”? :/
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Pretty sure reddit was full of laments about Digg when that mass exodus happened. Stuff takes a while to build momentum.
Indeed. 90-9-1: 90% of the population lurk, 9% engage and 1% contribute. Source
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Hard truth? Reddit conditioned me to NOT participate.
Nearly time I wanted to discuss something or ask something important to me, my posts were deleted by mods. The few times posts would stay was because they were meme shitposts of easily digestible image content: scroll and move along. Any actual discussion was verboten.
/r/mk mods were particularly awful. Fuck those guys.
The thing you must understand about /r/mk is that it was largely sheperded by a man who was driven from the other major mechanical keyboard forums for being too much of a self-promoter. It’s possible the entire organization still has residual brittle-ego.
If you want proper keyboard discussion, do check Deskthority; the content is a lot richer than “here’s a photo of my board which is just a Taco Bell permutation of the current popular PCB/case/caps/switches”
I never knew that! Thanks for sharing!
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My least favorite part of Stack Overflow.
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Lemmy doesn’t have the inventory. The userbase is tiny.
The userbase is significantly bigger than some fairly decent forums that I use or used to visit. The problem is rather the behaviour of the users (reddit started to favour more Instagram-like behaviour of scrolling and “liking” rather than normal forum-like dialogue, especially when you look at r/all, and I think we’re yet to grow out of it fully), and their relatively narrow range of interests (tech + political news) that leaves the other areas empty.
The user base of Lemmy may be bigger, but we don’t all share the same interest(s) the way people grouped on a specific forum would which does hinder it a bit.
Small communities are the best communities
Not when there is no content to read through.
Reddit is gentrification as a website
Lemmy is restoration
True, I just wish there was more content on some of the smaller niche communities but I guess that it takes time for it to grow and that doesn’t happen overnight.
It relies on people like you to spark discussion and content. Ask questions and interact with your favourite topics! Crosspost and shamelessly plug your favourite community (Shoutout to !boardgames@feddit.de)
So get out there and make Lemmy the lively place you want it to be.
Well said. At this point there’s so much pre-existing content on Reddit that I rarely feel the desire to post or comment anymore. These days an upvote or downvote is usually the extent of my interactions over there.
Being part of this early, and relatively small, userbase on Lemmy means the content has to (gets to?) come from us. Instead of just scrolling through content we get to share interesting things and help build communities, and I find that rather exciting!
Oh and thanks for the link to the boardgame community!
And all the customers do nothing but scream about politics in every section.
Scream about the old mall*
The “mall” analogy works for Reddit because the point of it existing is to buy things there. Lemmy instances and communities only exist because people want to make space for conversation. If spaces are empty, I see that as a sign that someone, somewhere cares so much that they will happy build the space and wait for others to arrive.
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This is two months old and a report about the exodus that’s already happened.
Reddit didn’t die, it probably won’t anytime soon.
Facebook never “died”, but no one goes there anymore either. Reddit will be the same.
What is Facebook these days? My grandma spends all day on it, she hardly speaks…just swiping…when I sneak a peek, it’s just chain-mail-like bullshit one after the other with a few disguised ads for things she can’t afford in between…ugh :vomit:
lol, exactly. that is literally reddit for me now as well
Yea, I checked worldnews today: there are these bot-like irrelevant comments on major subs, small subs abandoned…askhistorians is a little slow…maybe people are just on holiday having fun and such :D, is instagram full of holiday bragging?
I remember describing to my mom what Facebook was becoming back in like 2013/14 and she goes “Huh, sounds like what happened with email.”
The service went from useful communication to social media style chain forwarding nonsense pretty quickly, and they went the same way with FB.
And still email is not dead yet! I hope it’s starting to become clear to people that protocols last much longer than platforms, even if platforms look like they can test new things faster.
Fuck yeah email!
Good thing we got that sorted in the early stages of internet before corporations got their hands on it. Otherwise we’d have to create separate accounts to send and receive emails from gmail, outlook, and yahoo.
I don’t know about that, email is still great at what it does. It’s less that it died and more that people moved on to more real-time communication that fit their needs better, with email still being used for what it is actually good for.
Oh absolutely, it’s still highly used in a professional environment. I just feel like personal email went through the same thing and now that social media exists it’s just another way to communicate again.
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More than that, it’s THE communication method for businesses.
And universities. Email is the digital version of the memorandum, which is an essential tool for any large organization.
I never said it was, just that communication technology all get used for the same time wasting shit until the next thing comes along to replace it.
When I go to the poker machine hall, it’s the same. Keep pressing the button waiting for that all-too-elusive ‘win’ to come around.
It’s a haven for some older gen x and boomers. That was peak social media for them and that’s where they keep in touch mostly.
Isn’t Digg still around? It will exist forever probably, but it is definitely a husk of its former self.
Digg fully died, but the name was brought back for a curated news portal years later.
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And then you can’t even do that because Zuck filled the feed with 99% ads and “recommended” groups. Sure, there’s a friend’s feed now, but it doesn’t load 95% of the time. Facebook isn’t dead because people didn’t like the site, Facebook is dead because Zuckerfuck drove a spike through its heart and then lit the corpse on fire after dousing it with gasoline.
Malls are still around in some places too, but nothing in there is worth going to. Maybe Mall of America if you want to chance getting stabbed or shot, other than that they’re either glorified office space or entirely abandoned. But, like reddit, they’re still technically there.
Exactly. From the article:
As far as Reddit’s fate is concerned I predict that what will happen to it is the same thing that is happening to Twitter and has already happened to Facebook and frankly, actual shopping malls. The business side of things will churn along divorced from the content which will become ever more generic and culturally irrelevant. The users who stay on Reddit will be of the unadventurous variety, not inclined to make waves or analyze their habits.
That’s just a horrible analogy. Yes malls are basically dead but still technically there. Reddit is just as popular and active as it has ever been. Sure some people, like us, left. The vast majority stayed.
The ‘mass exodus’ never happened. The entirety of lemmy put together is the size of a small niche sub barely anyone actually knows about.
Yeah it is not a good analogy because when it came to malls something more convenient and easier for everyone to use became a better option with the rise in internet shopping. It’s not like malls made people angry and people left it for something that wasn’t as convenient to use.
People who moved to the fediverse aren’t representative of the average user who just wants a community in a niche area of interest to use, and never cared that strongly enough to abandon it. Most do not want to go through the growing pains of trying to grow a new community on a new platform and less content.
My city has malls. They are just big buildings for housing an aunties anne’s pretzels, a filthy play area for kids, and any other sucker who is still renting a retail space.
My local mall has churches that rent out the retail space. It’s a weird stort of community center.
The mall pictured in the article, Rolling Acres Mall in Akron OH, was the largest of three indoor shopping malls in the greater Akron area. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Akron, but we didn’t need three goddamn indoor shopping malls. We’re down to just one now, which seems appropriate.
Who knows. Could be the new Facebook. Feel like that shit fell off pretty fast. Went from everyone on the planet using it to only your weird uncle pretty quickly.
Dying or not, their leadership made clear the plan is full steam towards enshittification and monetization, so leaving early is for the best.
Reddit has really declined after the blackout, some subs are not even posting anything usefull or just trolling. My home subs on reddit dies out after i scroll past 500, no more new or upvoted content.
About as long as a seagull pecking away at a whale carcass. It certainly didn’t help them but it would take Musk level of stupid to end them.
It’s really unattractive to be so obsessed with your ex months after getting into a new relationship with Lemmy. Can we move on please?
I was about to make a joke related to ex’s… then I saw your post. Thank you for saving me a couple braincells from frying themselves out.
I started a new job a few months ago and was on my first business trip with four colleagues recently. To make conversation I asked if anyone used Reddit.
• Two dudes had heard of it but never used it.
• One dude said he uses it infrequently because it’s turned to shit.
• One dude said fuck Reddit and it’s API bullshit.
• I said fuck Reddit and it’s API bullshit.
Thats my anecdote. 100% of the people in that car didn’t use Reddit or now hated it. Probably 3 months ago that same car ride would have had three people loving Reddit and advocating it to the other two.
Despite your experience it’s alive and well. If reddit is a dying mall what is Lemmy? To scale it’s like an unmaintained Porta potty.
I hate reddit, but let’s not be ridiculous. It’s more than fine. Google has really gone to shit. When people search for things they put in site=reddit as a more reliable way to find real information.
Malls didn’t die overnight, you know. It’s a downward spiral that takes many years when it starts.
Is there a downward spiral, though? Or did they just get rid of a bunch of (from their perpective) whiny, entitled, free riding, old-timers?
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Yes. I was there just minutes ago, in the live threads for Formula 1 qualifying. All good, interesting opinions, and relevant links posted. No complaints.
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Reddit is fine if you only look at user numbers.
If you consider things like overall satisfaction with the site and profitability though, they are in trouble. That’s why they are introducing that embarrassing crypto shit, they are desperate to somehow monetize the site.
To make conversation I asked if anyone used Reddit.
You mean you asked “When does the Narwhal bacon?”, right?
Do you have stairs in your house?
I think that was before my time
The article is 2 months old…
Why post an article from two months ago about a thing we’ve all accepted? I started reading and wondered what new drama occurred on that dying platform. Then it mentioned APIs and I checked the date. June. We’re almost in September. Eternal September.
At least the mall of Reddit is open 24/7.
That new mom and pop down the road seems to close at random times during the day. 😉
You can use less overpopulated server
The instance I use is ran by a bunch of Unix nerds, so I’d expect them to wear their uptime as a badge of honour. I suspect there’s probably a sweet spot for instance size, where it doesn’t hit the biggest scaling problems, but big enough to justify the ongoing effort, rather than obviously being a one-man shop that will vanish when his cheque to Digital Ocean bounces.
Is lemmy.world really that bad?
Lemmy.ca went out, like, twice in the time I’ve used it.
As a .world user, it’s had some instability. Though in general I’d say it has okay uptime for a somewhat startup, volunteer enthusiast run content aggregation & discussion platform.
It is, loads for me about 70% of the time.
Very annoying to use.
What’s making you stay on lemmy.world?
already have an account, don’t want to go through the hassle of transferring it and recreating my subscriptions
There are tools to easily migrate your account now. It’s pretty effortless.
Ahhh, defending reddit because lemmy.world is the target of constant ddos attacks? Just go to a different instance. Lemmy’s not closed. A single entrance is just being blocked by assholes who support billionaire-owned platforms.
It’s like a mall where the main entrance is closed for construction, but all the other entrances, including the entrances through different stores, are all open.
😉
Small communities that are interoperable” is basically what Reddit is now.
Which is EXACTLY why federation fits the reddit style of forum like a glove, and why ultimately Lemmy is the path forward.
I’m also on Mastodon, and saw posts saying “you can follow Lemmy communities from Mastodon!” - and sure enough you can, but by god you shouldn’t unless you want your feed to be full of comments without context.
Yeah it’s kinda weird that from mastodon it boosts all the comments instead of just the posts. You can tap into the posts to see the comments anyways, can’t you?
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This is the problem I’m having now and I don’t know how to go back.
💯
I think the thing that happened to digg is happening to reddit. It’s not surprising.
I’ve come up with the following rules for my own relationship with Reddit.
- I will avoid posting on Reddit.
- If I do post on Reddit, I must make a similar post on another forum, maybe Lemmy, maybe somewhere else.
Number 2 is important because it helps other small communities grow.
It’s not a problem if a lot of people post on one forum, but it is a problem if a lot of people post only on one forum. I wont allow myself to post only on Reddit.
That said, I haven’t posted on Reddit since June.
Deleted my 10 year account a few months ago. Haven’t looked back. Once in a while my google searches will point me to some reddit thread, and I’ll check it out, but I have logged in for the last time.
Same story here. Soon as they fucked around with Apollo I grabbed my towel and haven’t looked back. At this point my only interest is morbid curiosity about how bad it’ll get.
My rule is “don’t post on Reddit unless it’s giving a reason to delete it”
This post is a total shitshow. I get the sentiment, and to some amount agree. But who the fuck wrote this drivel? its the worst shit I’ve read in seconds on the internet, and that usually takes hours.
Self Aggrandizing Self Posters… GFY
Weird, I thought it was a well written article.
Thanks lol
Maybe an AI wrote it. 🥸
These posts are exhaustingly far from the reality of the situation. Please don’t make the fediverse kick the puppy that is your optimistic opinion, OP.
Edit: OP downvoted everyone who disagreed with him.
Edit: OP downvoted everyone who disagreed with him.
Sigh. Please OP, we’re not doing that here. Downvotes should be reserved for trolls and the counterproductive. This comment with its snappy “kick the puppy that is your opinion” is not the most productive, but there are downvotes from OP on way more innocuous things, even one comment that agrees reddit is dying but in a different way than the linked article envisions.
Please leave that behavior on reddit.
How do you know what did they vote on?
Dunno about over on lemmy, but on kbin we have an “activity” link on each comment exposing all voters.
Oh wow! Do you also see Lemmy users there?
Vote federation can be a little wonky, but generally, yeah.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/443332/reddit-monthly-visitors/
Their traffic is unaffected. Reddit has never been part of the public conversation, outside of its reused content on blogs and autogenerated YouTube content. It has never had cultural relevance due to its conspicuously self contained nature, despite its size. Shops have closed but are reopening and profits are consistent(ly absent) month to month, the exodus affected little. If I were to amend your title, it would read “Reddit has always been a dying mall.”
You’ve described the situation as dramatically as possible to the crowd most excited to hear it and I’m just tired of hearing “Reddit is dying.” It is exhausting. The article is a great summary of everything I hate about Reddit because it is intended to be.
Reddit has definitely had cultural significance. That’s why AMAs used to happen there so often and it was in the news for months after the Boston Bomber. It’s like 4chan in that it seems super niche but it pops up every now and then in the cultural zeitgeist, sometimes for bad reasons like The Donald leading the charge for a Trump presidency and sometimes for good reasons like the niche hobby subs.
This shit is from June lol
I left reddit after they killed boost. best decision I’ve ever made.
I’m glad after all these years that my local mall is still the face of dead malls everywhere.
