I’d love to see some stats on reddit engagement now. Anecdotally, I logged in just to look at my usual subreddits (the ones that are open) and they seem dead.
I use RSS to get feeds for subs that are not active in lemmy.
Many posts are dog shit level now. Either looking for help or just garbage.
Check out r/lemmino lol.
Oh RSS feed is a good idea. The only sub I still check is r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks xd
Edit: Anyone knows a better free web-based RSS reader than Feedly? It kept sending me to its paid service for trying to sub to a Reddit feed, until I subbed to it via SiftRSS D:
Ive been using FreshRSS for years. You can either selfhost it or use one of the public instances.
Thanks, I’ll check that one out too :)
Thanks, I’ll check that one out too :)
EDIT: Sorry, I missed the “web based”. Today I’m incredibly distracted.
Feeder is pretty good if you use Android.
No worries, but I’m a diehard PC user xd
I might end up going with an open-source desktop app in the end, both Fluent Reader and Raven Reader look good.
No worries, but I’m a diehard PC user xd
I might end up going with an open-source desktop app in the end, both Fluent Reader and Raven Reader look good.
I self host FreshRSS & RSS-Bridge in Docker and view everything in Fluent Reader (Linux), FeedMe (Android), and Read You (Android). I absolutely love it!
I tried out Fluent Reader (Windows) yesterday, but it was a bit buggy and lacked some necessary features, so I’m testing NewsBlur for now. The free version is kinda limited, but I love the training feature, and in general it feels the most user-friendly out of the 4-5 services/apps I tried yesterday.
hosting freshrss locally and just tested that it can subscribe to reddit no problems (although I don’t want to) - their cloud instances should work : https://www.freshrss.org/cloud-providers.html
thanks, I’ll check it out! I’d probably go with one of their cloud instances, as self-hosting is a pain with my skill level.
thanks, I’ll check it out! I’d probably go with one of their cloud instances, as self-hosting is a pain with my skill level.
I have been using CommaFeed for years. I’m not a huge fan of the most current design, but overall it works well.
thanks, I’ll check it out :)
thanks!
thanks!
The bots won’t stop. And probably have increased. So it’ll be tough to see without slices we’ll never get
That’s the punchline that makes me chuckle when I read how “little impact” the protests and migration have had.
Here’s a little secret: Reddit mods can’t know for sure which accounts are bots. They can suspect, but they’re no easy, reliable proof. Reddit admins, though, know exactly which accounts are bots — they just prefer keeping that info to themselves.
For me, that triggers a great big “Hmmmm”.
And they’ll never differentiate them. If their investors know how much of their traffic was just bots they’d divest immediately
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I’m wondering how much of that is bots.
Reddit is trying to build up to an IPO, so it’s not far-fetched to think that Steve Huffman would have seen the exodus coming, and supplemented traffic with bots so the drop in engagement didn’t seem so precipitous.
I think the thing that is going to suffer most is comment quality. Unfortunately (or for Huffman, fortunately), it’s not really something that can be quantified.
I think we will see a slow decline until the platform is basically walking dead. It’ll function, and maybe there will even be apparent engagement, but the quality will be nothing like it was before this whole debacle.
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So I saw this on mastodon … and it’s a little weird, perhaps not unlike the cultures that migrants develop in their new homes.
There’s a tendency, I think, to overestimate how bad the “old” platform has become since “we” left. In reality, it’s not nearly that bad, if any different at all, and those of us not inclined toward this overestimation go and check the old platform from time to time and get confused as to where all of this “hellscape deadness” is.
I think we can all imagine to some extent why this might happen. But I’m writing this just in case it’s healthy to point out that it need not happen, and that the thing that’s actually changed, though you might not know if you’ve arrived here recently, is this place, which is a whole new thing!
A story I think of along these lines is what Steve Jobs did when he went back to Apple in the late 90s. Back then Apple thought they had to beat Microsoft to win. Thing is the company was close to dying with huge debts etc and were never going to do that (still haven’t come close today). But they were so enamoured with their past to the point of having a museum of all of their old products. Jobs had the museum removed, told everyone that for Apple to win it has to stop thinking about Microsoft because they’ll never be destroyed, instead Apple had to win by doing its own thing, and then, super contraversially for the time, had Bill Gates invest a bunch of money into Apple and appear on the big screen during a keynote to rather audible “boos”.
It doesn’t matter what Reddit’s doing or whether they’re doing well. It matters if we’re doing well … as cheesy as that might sound.
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Rock and stone with us. !drg@lemmy.world
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Love the pep talk, and the sentiment behind it.
I loved Reddit, spent at least an hour a day there and often much more, but I’m loving the Lemmy too. In many ways it’s better, and one of those ways is that it’s so much smaller — a much higher ratio of thought vs tired memes and dumb jokes and slick burns.
I went to some threads on Reddit yesterday. Bloody hell there a lot of shit to wade through before getting to anything useful. It might be more engagement, but the amount of low-effort garbage comments turned me around really quick.
I went to some threads on Reddit yesterday. Bloody hell there a lot of shit to wade through before getting to anything useful. It might be more engagement, but the amount of low-effort garbage comments turned me around really quick.
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Yeah mate you found one good comment. How much shit did you read before you found it? These comments are highlighted because they’re the exception. I’m not interested in wading through tons upon tons of “this” and “came here to say this” and “you win the internet sir” before I find a good comment on quantum physics.
Yeah mate you found one good comment. How much shit did you read before you found it? These comments are highlighted because they’re the exception. I’m not interested in wading through tons upon tons of “this” and “came here to say this” and “you win the internet sir” before I find a good comment on quantum physics.
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I don’t think you’re a shill. There a plenty of normal people on Reddit, enjoying the content like before. While I despise Spez, I can’t discount that they have created a product that people want to use.
But there are also plenty of people who, like me, saw a decline in the average quality of content over the last x number of years. A move to the lowest common denominator. Comments like your example were more frequent years ago relative to today.
Lemmy feels like Reddit when I joined 11-ish years ago. That’s why I’m here now.
Edit: for what it’s worth, I also didn’t go to the default subs. I spent a long time curating to my tastes and hobbies, to the point where I even blocked /r/All from Apollo so I didn’t have to see the day-to-day shit. But it didn’t help. My hobbies deteriorated into memes and low-effort shit every day.
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I doubt it made a dent. 250k doesn’t even register on the map of 100m active users.
I think that which 250k migrated will eventually end up making quite a significant dent. It isn’t the technophobic lurkers that make up the Lemmy early adopters.
It does if those 250k are the ones submitting/creating content.
Are they though? I didn’t submit posts on reddit. Looking at the front page of lemmy it’s missing a lot of the topics and subjects reddit posts about.
I’m not trying to be a downer, I think 250k is great and it’s enough to make lemmy 100% replace reddit for me. But I don’t think it dents reddit. I talked to my friends and they barely noticed anything except the blackout. I go on reddit all the same communities are still posting and commenting as normal. But saying that when I looked at reddit I realized how much garbage is posted there compared to lemmy.
This is it though, of my subreddits that are open, it’s just complete trash being posted and a few comments (and even less meaningful comments).
It’s only about 50k active. The rest are all bots.
Basically this. I guess the people leaving Reddit are evened out by simply rounding the resulting values before rendering them into a graph.
Wish someone would create a bot to copy r/HyruleEngineering to the community here.
You can request that on lemmit.online if I remeber the name of the instance correctly
They are probably confused about how to use an app that behaves like an ad carousel
My local area sub is still pretty active, but I did notice that in the other subreddit the comments section is a lot more sparse.
I think having a link aggregator is going to be so great for the fediverse. It allows us to gather content from all over the internet and bring to to the often secluded fediverse.
It also means we can post links to fediverse discussions and draw people in.
Like lmmy.to?
Wefwef.app is great.
It is Voyager now
Not on my home screen. It’s still wefwef there, and it will stay this way.
Just need ma boi Sync.
Should be interesting to see how the fediverse in general handles more traffic, as we’ve seen with kbin and lemmy over the last month or so there are certainly some growing pains
at least we are making the most of our new space here, we all seem to be building something fun here
Federation in general seems to be pretty buggy, I’m running my own instance and I can see a ton of failed jobs happening in the logs. Seems like some of the issues are short comings of the ActivityPub protocol
@lohrun they are shortcomings in lemmy’s flavor of apub. activity pub is more akin to json than it is an actual social networking protocol.
@jeff@federated.fun i don’t know if there is much we can do about that though. I have read through the activity pub spec as I was considering writing a fediverse web app…I won’t disagree, it is glorified json. Unfortunately it’s the “standard” that has been loosely agreed upon. I might have the willpower to write a passion project FOSS fediverse web app but I know I couldn’t remotely begin architecting a new federation protocol as well.
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That doesn’t seem impossible… I’m not sure what business logic would be needed to make them easily interoperable. Honestly the biggest complaints I’ve read about the fediverse isn’t the UIs available to view content. The issue is the bugginess of federation and the lack of content recommendation algorithms on the platforms.
I’ve been mulling over the idea of a fediverse content crawler to allow instances to mass federate content to their instance…but then like I said you also need a good recommendation algo as well.
We have a ton of dev work going into making new UIs for Lemmy but personally I think what I said above should get some love too.
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I don’t think lemmy is still growing. I might be wrong but this graph https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
is trending down and i’ve seen a lot of smaller magazines/communities that haven’t had any posts for 1-2weeks by now.
I try to help that problem at little but i doubt lemmy&kbin has >100k active users right now.Lemmy will still be receiving stragglers. E.g. I only signed up yesterday! I only went on Reddit once every few weeks or so, and thus only just found out where my communities had migrated to. I’m sure there are many users like me who haven’t yet followed their communities to their new homes.
They might be using some smoothing, because all lines are noise-free. and the last point might just be an artifact. It looks like a constant growth
According to the graph it accounts for active users within the last 30 days. 30Days ago the reddit strike started and an influx of people started posting. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people haven’t been here since. There was a lot of performance and other issues with lemmy&kbin at that time.
There is also always a flurry of people trying out accounts in multiple instances whenever there’s a migration wave, so not only are we seeing people who dipped a toe in only to leave, or go back to Reddit, but we’re seeing the effect of people understanding how the ecosystem works better and settling into a single active account.
I think it is currently growing, as in more people will visit tomorrow than did today, but also it has shrank since a couple weeks ago when everyone was hyping it up as a reddit alternative and trying it out. Not everyone who came to try it has stayed.
A lot of people just want the endless scroll. No need to comment or post, just consume the posts. They would go back to Reddit for now because Lemmy is not a decade old content machine.
A one-day minor downtick isn’t a trend when it’s been up day-over-day for a while now. I’m sure the user counts will ebb and flow over time, but as long as the community stays healthy and the big social media companies keep being greedy, I think this platform has a good shot at long-term viability.
Need to wait a bit I guess and look at the trends over a larger period of time instead of more granular time scales.
As I type, it says 130k active users (updated hourly)
I think that’s normal. People will try out Lemmy but if they notice that the communities they frequent doesn’t have a lot of content they’ll just leave back to reddit.
We can hope for organic growth but it’ll take a long time (especially with how big reddit is)
And it’s understandable. Reddit had more than 16 years to build up the user base that it now has.
Also years of AITA or relationship_advice content to read when bored. Not to mention loads of amazing askreddit threads you can binge.
Content takes time to create.
I’d be happy enough with just new content TBH. Totally out of the loop on wrestling and movies without Reddit.
Time to go the sources Reddit usually has and post them yourself.
But the entire point of getting the info from Reddit is so I didn’t have to do that. Why watch seven hours of wrestling per week when I could watch two minutes of highlights and read discussions of the events?
Those were going to leave left by now, but there are several alternatives. Lemmy didn’t take all Reddit refugees.
Yeah, I see the same but the community sprawl was vast there in early June. There appears to be a pretty healthy base forming. Pruning dead communities does need to happen somehow though. A admin tool is gonna need to be likely.
Lemmy will still be receiving stragglers. E.g. I only signed up yesterday! I only went on Reddit once every few weeks or so, and thus only just found out where my communities had migrated to. I’m sure there are many users like me who haven’t yet followed their communities to their new homes.
That’s OK. Lemmy doesn’t need to be huge and we have had a lot of apps developed for it and there have been a lot of donations to help the platform grow. I think it is large enough now to survive and will slowly grow over time.
Just wait for the next big Reddit mistake. People will come over to Lemmy again and it will be a better place than last time.
I think people are because of the latest trends in social media thinking that you need to be huge to be successful. While you do need a certain threshold of people, semi-anonymous social media really doesn’t need to be that big. Just big enough to sustain enough little bit niche communities. That doesn’t just need users it needs time. People have this habit of hoping someone else will do the heavy lifting. And while I am not able to mod because IRL, I am still looking into niche communities here to see if I can help in some way as contributor. Just need to get through my imposter syndrome in that I don’t really feel good enough for comment creator.
I think that’s normal. People will try out Lemmy but if they notice that the communities they frequent doesn’t have a lot of content they’ll just leave back to reddit.
We can hope for organic growth but it’ll take a long time (especially with how big reddit is)
https://the-federation.info/platform/73 – try this one instead. Click on the major instances and then check “active users this month” or “posts” or “comments” and you’ll see that it’s doing quite well in terms of the content snowball.
Estimated active users is about 70k on Lemmy. Not sure about kbin. However, active on Lemmy means posted or commented, so the lurkers should be higher.
The dip is attributable to kbin which has some weirdness around active user counts, largely because they don’t keep track of them, so I’m not surprised that their numbers might vary somewhat over time.
Otherwise, yea, it’d be accurate to say that the migration wave has come to an end. Mastodon went through multiple waves over the years so we’ll see what happens from here. I for one am rather happy with how lemmy (and kbin) have turned out and am not desperate that a hole bunch more people come over.
My biggest concern is that there isn’t more cross talk between lemmy and mastodon, and that’s because the fediverse is yet to actually do a good job of making the boundaries between platforms thinner. There are many conversations going on in parallel that would be happy to connect but can’t because the fediverse hasn’t worked out a way to make that work well (yet).
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Lemmy has no way to follow a person, so it’s impossible. Not sure where such thing sits on a roadmap or whatever, but I get the impression it isn’t a priority, at all maybe.
Lemmy does federate decently with mastodon though, as you point out, so consuming lemmy content from mastodon can work, but isn’t great. Following a community for instance provides all posts and comments, which quickly becomes a firehose. I imagine most don’t do that for long.
Following lemmy accounts on the other hand, IME, works nicely, as only posts are federated over, which is a much more manageable feed.EDIT: Sorry, this was wrong, comments as well as posts from a specific user do get federated across.And replies all work well too, so once you’ve made contact with a thread on mastodon by replying, it will all behave naturally for the mastodon platform, which is quite nice to see actually.
There’s also kbin, which tries to fuse the two platforms, but even there, you can’t look at a feed of just the people you follow.
Has anyone just made Lemmy subreddits to get people to go to Lemmy? Or does Reddit hypocritically ban you?
There is r/Lemmy and r/LemmyMigration
How would a Lemmy subreddit be useful? The only thing I could see would just be a pinned message regarding general guidance
Advice on what instances to join, coordination to move communities, technical advice for those communities to form instance, etc.
I come from Reddit and that would be absolutely helpful, I’m still getting around how everything works.
Feel free to ask if you face any difficulties
I come from Reddit and that would be absolutely helpful, I’m still getting around how everything works.
Feel free to ask if you face any difficulties
I just wished the Lemmy API docs were better lol.
These days the standard is to create an API Doc out of a OpenAPI document generated from the code itself. Someone will probably contribute to it at some point.
Fediverse software API documentation is bad across all fediverse software.
I’d love to see some stats on reddit engagement now. Anecdotally, I logged in just to look at my usual subreddits (the ones that are open) and they seem dead.
I use RSS to get feeds for subs that are not active in lemmy.
Many posts are dog shit level now. Either looking for help or just garbage.
Check out r/lemmino lol.
Oh RSS feed is a good idea. The only sub I still check is r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks xd
Edit: Anyone knows a better free web-based RSS reader than Feedly? It kept sending me to its paid service for trying to sub to a Reddit feed, until I subbed to it via SiftRSS D:
It’s funny reading people suggesting RSS on here as a way to replace Reddit. Aaron Schwartz helped create both of them.
Huh, just looked him up, sad that he died so young :c
I like theoldreader. It looks like Google’s reader from way back when
thanks, it looks nice!
I use this app on Android to view my feeds that are on that site:
A fellow leaks enjoyer, hi there! It’s also the only community on Reddit I still check as well. Excited for Fontaine?
Sound like you two need to get on the sources and start a Lemmy community.
I’d be terrible as a mod, but I might be up to preprare the posts when I hit my vacation in a few weeks.
Also, there’s already a community, but with low traction right now.
I have been using CommaFeed for years. I’m not a huge fan of the most current design, but overall it works well.
thanks, I’ll check it out :)
The bots won’t stop. And probably have increased. So it’ll be tough to see without slices we’ll never get
My local area sub is still pretty active, but I did notice that in the other subreddit the comments section is a lot more sparse.
They are probably confused about how to use an app that behaves like an ad carousel
I’ve been using the Memmy app and it does a decent job of improving the experience for an Apollo refugee, makes the transition away from Reddit much easier
Go and find about about Voyager! https://vger.app/
So this was wefwef right, before it was rebranded as Voyager? Really impressive for a web app
Memmy is fantastic and the developer pushes updates to TestFlight almost daily.
Go and find about about Voyager! https://vger.app/
I just wished the Lemmy API docs were better lol.
Yeah, that’s a problem with a lot of FOSS passion projects. We devs kinda like writting code, but not really documenting it. Hopefully with the influx of devs helping that will improve
I don’t really like all the LLM hype, but I’m hoping that documentation will eventually be generated by some open source model, with human verification
Maybe we’ll eventually get the corresponding influx of tech writers.
I think that this line of reasoning becomes less and less tenable when things like Swagger exist.
It’s a pretty major pain point for a lot of local libraries, too. I’m so glad I have the option to dig through the source code of functions if I can’t figure them out.
It’s like almost every piece of software, period.
I just wished the Lemmy API docs were better lol.
Finnegans Wake makes more sense than Lemmy API docs. Even calling it “documentation” is a stretch.
I literally had to clone the Lemmy git repo and read the source code to find the implementation of an API endpoint and see how it worked for a script that I was writing.
Just need ma boi Sync.
Awaiting Boost for Lemmy, but I’m happy with Connect for now.
Ribbit
There is r/Lemmy and r/LemmyMigration
