Do you? Do we? We currently consistently have about 20-50% of the population in Europe voting for far-right to conservative - parties that don’t give 2 shits about medical staff unless they require treatment. And even then, some of them don’t care about them because “do your job and stop whining”.

And that’s just the people that vote. At municipal level the voter participation is abysmal.

We have to vote. They can’t be left alone.

Yeah, I saw that they were “limited” to 80 fucking hours a week (in the US). Quite the limit.

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Mate, you’re seeing things, it’s a total coincidence,

Most sincerely, Shell

this is bad

this is just as bad

I think we agree

It damn well is, no doubt about it.

I’d like to see those numbers. I’m not finding clear numbers on shift-length mortality. This meta review (Systematic Review of the Impact of Physician Work Schedules on Patient Safety with Meta-Analyses of Mortality Risk, 2023, DOI: 10.1016/j.jcjq.2023.06.014 ) says

Limiting all resident physicians to 80-hour work weeks and 28-hour shifts in 2003 was associated with an 11% reduction in mortality (p < 0.001). Limited shift durations and shorter work weeks were also associated with improved patient safety in clinical trials and observational studies not specifically tied to policy changes.

I think we can all agree that a 28 hour shift is fucking insane and that anybody doing such a long shift will not be of sound capacity.

And if hand-offs are killing more people than work hours, then that just means that the hand-off procedures are terrible. I’d want to see what kind of hand-offs are being compared and if hand-off methods have different patient events.

Your answer is based on bad faith and therefore blocked.

Dunno where you’re from, but insurances are also partially to blame for this. They limit patient appointments to a few minutes and any minute above that is out of the doctor’s pocket.

Hospitals shouldn’t be “making money” directly. They are there to heal people. A healed worker is an indirect gain to the economy. Good care and good prevention mean a stronger, fitter, and more productive society.

I bet that the better the care a hospital provides, the less recurring patients it will have and the quicker it will be able to release patients.

We aren’t “powerless”. Every time we go to the voting booth we can change things a little. If people vote for a conservative party that keeps wanting to move the needle backwards to “the good old days”, this is the shit we will get: underfunded healthcare, an ever-hotter world, war in the Middle East, untaxed uber-rich, and overworked essential workers.

The study only concludes that this manner of handing off is risky, nothing more. Going “our method of handing off is bad, so we will extend work hours and continue handing off in the same way” is piss-poor conclusion. Change the way things are handed off e.g let the physician tail the other physician for 1hour to 30 minutes into their shift, improve the data collection and data display methods to allow a clear patient status to be shown, etc.

Additionally, the study doesn’t compare handoff risk to work-length risk. You’re taking one single data point and drawing wide-ranging conclusions from it.

Excuse me, but what?

How do you mean? Are you too young to vote?

How is nursing a backup? Are the requirements that low in the US (I’m assuming “Southwest” is in the US?)

We should just start supporting policies that improve the conditions of the healthcare system, but, that would require a majority of people agreeing to improve things globally. Good luck with that.

How is that not “being OK with it”? Healthcare has been underfunded for decades and we just accept it. The majority consistently votes on “lower taxes” and now it’s “iMmIgRaNtS”. Healthcare barely matters - unless it’s COVID, then suddenly it’s an issue.

What are you talking about? I live in Europe and this is standard. I know midwives, nurses, and doctors and they have the worst work schedules. I think in France health workers can even be prohibited from striking. The government declared it an “essential” job and when there aren’t enough workers, striking isn’t allowed. THey are always understaffed, so they aren’t allowed to strike. GReat eh?

I don’t understand why people aren’t voting for the uber-rich to pay their fair share. Billionaires pay less tax percentage-wise than any worker out there and it’s all because we focus so much on income tax. The uberrich don’t have income - the have wealth, which isn’t taxed.

That seems very US specific. In Europe, we have universal healthcare, but it’s chronically underfunded.