So they want new slaves. That tracks.

anybody. you even

That’s similar to what I’ve heard. I don’t think they understand just how many jobs are being done by immigrants and that immigrants aren’t all poor. An Italian in Finland is also an immigrant.

Local companies cannot compete because of globalism, we must ban imports from China and then local companies can compete.

That’s the furthest I’ve gotten with these people. It’s why I’m interested in what kind of other ideas they have about how the world works.

“Bring back real families” aka outlaw queers and any “non-traditional” relationships, change what is taught at school, exit the EU, ban burkhas in public buildings (then public spaces), and so on. So yeah, shift the blame of why things aren’t going well to a new group.

I really do think you’re under-estimating them. It’s the same thing the Christian democrats did in Germany when they gave Hitler the position of prime minister: “give him enough rope to hang himself”.

They thought he was an idiot. Saying “racists don’t think their actions through” is under-estimating in my book. There were scientists, doctors, and other intellectuals that spear-headed the third reich. They though their actions through pretty well and were humungous racists and enemies of humanity.

And then what?

There’s no need to be condescending.

Underestimating racists is a serious mistake. Of course they have another agenda, but what they say and what they do are different things. Discussing what their messaging is and what they will ultimately do is informative to me. I don’t frequent racists and they aren’t united in their messaging, so reading what others have heard/read can give another aspect and paint a fuller picture. With that information, responses can be prepared or other actions taken.

Who do you think it would be? My guess: not the rich.

I’ve been told (verbatim):

The lower classes are struggling because immigrants have lowered the accepted pay below minimum wage. They accept any job and are willing to accept worse working conditions because it’s better than what they know. The local population thus cannot compete. Once the immigrants are kicked out, low paying jobs will be forced to increase their wages and working conditions to make it palatable to the locals.

It kind of makes sense, until you start asking questions like:

• why would the wages go up?
• why do you assume working conditions would get better?
• if the wages went up, wouldn’t the prices go up and the lower classes still struggle?

Then I just get “we’ll see, but first we have to get them out” at which point the discussion ends, because there’s no discussing when somebody’s changed their mind. I am curious though, maybe studies have been done on this? Maybe there are serious projects on the effects of banning immigration?

Exactly. Fuck that system.

Grayjay does too.

Doesn’t mean we need to invite another country that’s pro total surveillance.

Right-wingers stoking the fire for Pootin.

Please, no. The UK held the EU back. They’d had to change their political system first. We don’t need them pushing Chat Control and other crap in the EU too.

You can buy a Linux phone from FairPhone?

Depends on why they like them. If it’s for their craft and that has nothing to do with the problematic past, eh… whatever. If it’s because of their opinions on something and they don’t live up to them e.g somebody likes a boxer for their anti-racism stance but that boxer was a racist, I’ll tell 'em.

That’s not the major issue. The major issue is finance: the uber-rich aren’t taxed, keep evading them, and influencing politics to prevent the introduction of taxes on their wealth. The state thus lacks funds (and willingness) to educate their electorate.

The electorate could vote for parties that solve their issues, but instead they are voting for fascists. It’s not wrong to remove fascists from the options and if you’re seriously arguing that they should be an option, you’re part of the problem.

Amputation is a valid course of treatment while the cancer or infection is spreading. Leaving the limb alone can lead to dead much more quickly.