Many of the best things in America are Socialist: Public schools, libraries, museums, fire departments, municipal parks/playground, state parks, national parks, highways, bridges, monuments, etc.
Many people are far more afraid of the WORD Socialist, than actual Socialist concepts. Socialism and Communism have become far too closely associated, to the point of being synonyms, and the Dems have to change that perception.
That’s just one key part of their messaging game that they have take control of. The Conservative Propaganda Machine does a great job of not only controlling their own messaging, but the Dems have always allowed them to define Democratic concepts as well. It’s long past time when the Dems flip the tables, and take control of their own messaging, and start defining MAGA as treasonous, corrupt, racist, and pedophilic, and depraved.
Democratic Socialism is where citizens of democracies pay taxes to support their fire departments, military, health care systems etc. They still believe in free markets and your life improving if you work hard/go to school etc. It’s only corrupt politicians and the ignorant that equate social programs with Communism. Americans have been gaslighted by the financial elite to view social programs as a hand out, because the elite receive no profit from them.
Currently socialism to these guys = Not having a corrupt government ran by special interest.
This is what they are afraid of. Not socialism coming to town but a government that actually works. The corrupt media is pushing bullshit to benefit the wealthy class so the people don’t come for their golden goose.
They love to use that specific picture of him too. They probably think it makes him look angry and middle eastern. It caught his eyebrows at the perfect angry-looking angle.
Too bad for them he’s charismatic as fuck everywhere else. And, you know, does stuff to help people.
I am feeling pissed, and Mamdani is matching my feelings here.
They recognize the wave of wave of
democratic socialismsocial democrats and fight it tooth and nail.We do not have a free press.
I remember cnn the “commie news network” giving insanely hard interviews to Kamala, and then they have Mike Johnson on and say “some people have concerns over you saying the election was stolen” and he says “well there was substantial evidence for it and (conspiracy #1 2 and 3).” “interesting, people have been complaining about…”
0 push back, because they fell for the lie that the media is too hard on the right, so even bringing up that he thinks the election is stolen is being harsh somehow.
Why did you replace democratic socialism for social democrats?
Those are different things, and this is specifically about the DSA…
I remember when the media was castigating the 10% or whatever of Bernie voters who said that they would vote for Trump if Bernie didn’t get nominated.
The framing was “There at X number of Bernie bros who are disloyal and will punish the Democrats by voting Trump” instead of “Bernie would take X number of voters from Trump”. Same story, but completely different spin.
No. Support is ~30%. Last time I checked, that’s not a majority.
~47% (almost half) view them unfavorably. Another ~23% are unsure.
23-30% of people are perpetually unsure of everything lol
Those are people who don’t wanna answer. Tbh if some rando was asking which political view I had, I would also not share it.
If I was approached in the NYC street by someone asking me how I felt about politics, I would not take the risk that they have my name and face already and want to put me in a oligarch’s database.
"No comment.
And here, take my wallet and phone."
Exactly
Especially when you get asked in a way that makes it clear that they have an agenda.
Like to ask say, “Do you support what the Mayor is doing with raising taxes on rich residents” they might ask “Would you be ok with having your taxes raised?”
Then report it in a reframed way later.
Polls are bull shit no matter what they say.
Hell in the first term I got a Trump poll and “How do you think the president is doing” disn’t even have negatice options, just degrees of Good, Great, Excelent etc.
Maybe. I don’t know about that.
;-)
I don’t know about that
Or they’re in the “nothing ever happens” camp.
About 35% of the unfavorable are the lost ones that vote R because that’s what they’ve always done, what their church tells them, and what their one or two propaganda channels tell them. And the other 10% of those are probably Wall Street and adjacent. The ones that actually do have things to lose, since they’re the ones stealing it from the rest.
undecided voters as well.
It’s a fair position, as far as they are concerned, they haven’t seen it in action, at least not for very long. So they are waiting to see if it pans out as promised.
Still garbage, to compare “view them unfavorably” then you have to do “view them favorably” and not “Support” if you want to compare “Support” then you have to do “Against” with clear questions.
That table isn’t on the link provided
Thanks, corrected the link.
For context Trump’s numbers are (according to the Economist, but most polls are similar):
34% approve 61% disapprove 4% unsure
So the DSA’s approval is less than Trump’s, but there’s a much larger percentage in the “Don’t know” column. Which makes sense, Trump is an incumbent, everyone knows him, while a lot of people don’t know what the DSA is about. But then I’m not sure the DSA knows what the DSA is about.
So Trump’s net approval is -27 while the DSA’s is -17. So the DSA is currently at 10% better than a criminal pedophile.
Obviously that 23% “Don’t know” number is significant. If every single person that doesn’t know about the DSA learns more about them and decides they like them, then I guess the DSA could get to a net approval of +6. But if people learn more about them they fall into similar categories as those that already have an opinion, then their net approval approval would drop to similar levels to Trump.
If they could clean things up a bit in regards to the antisemitism and things like “America deserved 9/11” kind of rhetoric they could improve their numbers. But I don’t think the DSA is interested in doing that. So they’re probably going to be stuck at around a net -20.
There’s good reason why people like Abdul El-Sayed and AOC are distancing themselves from the DSA.
you’re assuming that the 47% unfavorable are there because they know what the DSA are about? My theory is that they are unfavorable because of hundred years of propaganada against anything opposing capitalism, partially caused by the media being owned by the wealthy, as well as hundreds of millions or more from Israel to discredit the ones that oppose their genocides.
Yeah, there should be a similar poll simply asking about policies puahed by the DSA.
Leftists are just really terrible at communicating with the working class. It’s mostly a movement coming out of universities where the goal is to prove how clever you are to everyone else. That just doesn’t play well with the working class.
You’re implying that the working class doesn’t like leftism because they’re too stupid. Consider the possibility that how you think about the working class might have something to do with why the working class doesn’t like you.
And you have too many leftists that are completely disconnected from reality. This comes at the expense of the working class.
Anyone who has worked with someone that’s from Eastern Europe or has read a history book documenting the famines in the Soviet Union or China are really going to be turned off by a conversation with a tankie. When leftists dismiss the plight of the working class in these countries as being minor details because there’s a “bigger picture” that’s more important? Yeah that’s not going to fly with the working class. Obviously.
Really if leftists cared about reaching the working class they’d drop the use of the word “socialist” entirely. People obviously associate that word with the USSR, because that word is actually in the name of the country. But leftist care more about winning some debate (it’s the university crowd) so feel like if they can successfully argue that socialism is good actually, they have achieved something. The working class should appreciate us for how clever we are!
But how clever is it to think that a socialist movement can have success without the working class? There’s a lack of any kind of wisdom coming from leftism.
Clean up antisemitism
Reminder, disliking Israel murdering all the Palestinians is not anti-semetic, that’s propaganda working.
And this is why the left has an antisemitism problem. It’s forbidden to ever discuss the issue. I’ve seen people on the left say that Jews have been evil throughout history, I’ve seen leftists openly admit they want to kill all Jews. People post rationalizations for why all Jews are an acceptable target of harassment even if they’ve never set foot in Israel.
But there’s a blanket rationalization for why that kind of talk is completely fine because it’s “criticizing Israel”. That rationalization only works within your group. You’ve created a permission structure for antisemitism, and automatically block anyone who brings up the problem.
These rationalizations and whitewashing only work within your group. Everyone else just sees some bullies harassing Jews at synagogues. You can see in the polling data that your movement is unpopular. You can’t even consider there may be reasons why. You can’t even discuss those reasons because your group forbids that kind of discussion. The first step is to admit there’s a problem, but leftists are incapable of doing that.
Is the netanyahu government committing genocide? Yes or lie.
My opinion on this matter is generally banned from being discussed within leftist communities.
You need to go outside of this little bubble to have discussions on that topic. If you’re not afraid of ideas, of course.
Absolutely. And there’s no way all of that 47% knows that the DSA is an actual communist group.
Some of them are, some of them aren’t. They’re basically Schrodinger’s communists. Both communist and not communist until you have a conversation with someone from the DSA.
Maybe you talk to someone in the DSA that says “hey we just want things like better healthcare” or maybe you talk to someone that wants to burn everything down and recreate the Soviet Union to prove it would’ve worked if it started out industrialized or whatever.
Yes, they should be more consistent. Like centrists, who reliably support genocide and nothing else.
You could be correct, but that’s not what the headline says. People who lack support also “don’t support”. “Less than half don’t support” is the same thing as “more than half do support.” “!support < 50%” can be converted to “support >= 50%.”
Why would you count “unsure” as “support”?
I don’t. Unsure is lacking in support. They don’t support him. They are included in the “less than half don’t support” of the headline.
For another example of this language, atheist = lacking belief in a god. It does not mean you believe there isn’t a god. Non-believers includes those who are anti-theist and atheist. They all lack belief, but one is against and one is neutral. Believers are the other group, who actively believe in one.
70% < 50%?
What?
If 47% view the DSA unfavorably, and 23% are unsure (which you’re counting as unsupportive) then we’re at 70%.
I’m only discussing the headline posted, not if it’s wrong. What it says is that more than half support. I’m not claiming that’s correct.
yeah it’s more of a splash if anything
hyper magnified by media focus on a about 3 charismatic individuals that are not following DSA policies
they’re a bunch of independents waving a commie and palestinian flag
Yoo hoo. Billionaires. We’re coming for you…
ignoring it will not work, it will only make the tide rise against them while their heads are in the sand.
That’s propaganda for you.
And most of that minority are going to end up liking the results of his actions as time goes on.
The propaganda is coming from the reader that failed to read beyond the headline and spread misinformation.
We should all be going To our City meetings Pointing at New York and saying there is the proof you can get things done if you want to. Get things done or you’re gone.
Hey boss, this poll says 60% of people support democratic socialists. How are we gonna reword this?
Boss: just flip the stat and make the sentence negative
Imagine reading the article instead of just the headline.
Imagine expecting me to look up an article from a screenshot.
You vastly underestimate how lazy I am.
True, parroting misinformation is much easier and more gratifying.
Where is the poll? I can’t find it
The DSA is a big tent within a big tent. The Democratic Party is essentially the opposition party to MAGA. If you’re against Trump then the Democratic Party is the only option you have.
That said, some of its platform ideas like universal healthcare and restoring consumer protections (so we control for things like crypto scams and surveillance pricing) are pretty popular. Abortion access enjoys a popularity of about 60%.
I don’t know the number of people who want a higher minimum wage, but it’s above majority, especially since the affordability crisis, and doubly so now that SNAP and Medicaid have been slashed.
Republican scaremongers call anything they don’t like communism or jihad because they only deal in blood libel and buzzwords. See They’re eating the dogs.
Also, evidently, bike lanes are woke and DEI.
Centrist Democrat scaremongers like to bring up the more left-leaning (actually left-leaning) platform issues like abolish the prisons and abolish the police.
These are serious issues, but even the DSA doesn’t pretend it will be easy to sell that to the general public. Before ICE we knew that police have become a nationwide problem, and the presence of law enforcement is more likely to turn a non-violent situation violent than it is de-escalate it. The John Oliver segment on Killology sheds light on the issue. Right now, that’s just been buried by the actions of ICE.
And we know that state and federal prisons have been squalid and inhumane for a long time, not improved at all since the rise of the prison industrial complex during the Reagan administration. Private prisons are even worse, and we’re now seeing the extreme version of that in immigrant detention centers by GEO Group and Core Civic.
But again, these are extreme issues and the Republicans are more likely to end birthright citizenship and women’s suffrage sooner than DSAs are going to make inroads in abolishing prisons and law enforcement.
The Democratic Party is essentially the opposition party to MAGA.
They’re the opposition party to their own left flank. They don’t oppose MAGA.
How do you recognize the “big tent” leanings of the DSA when the Red Star Caucus seems to only grow with more influence and actively promote cutting ties with the democratic party. https://redstarcaucus.org/platform/
Red Star will Make DSA a political home for people radicalized by both the Trump administration and the failures of the Democratic Party, Solidify our position as a site of struggle for trans and immigrant communities under attack, Forge closer ties with abolitionist and anti-imperialist groups in the vanguard of the working class, Build an independent electoral base in the working class, Cut ties with the Democratic Party, and End empty endorsements that trail “left-wing” candidates.
What does it mean when Hasan Piker says China is the closest model we have to establishing socialism? https://www.instagram.com/reels/DRes2BNiiY3/ That’s not democracy at all. That’s not balanced working conditions. China is a lot of factories powering American capitalism.
These are the fringes of the DSA that seem to grow and drive me out.
Cutting ties with the Democratic party would be folly. After the Whigs perished and the Democratic Republicans split, we’ve not seen a third party overtake the principles, and that includes Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Progressives. That includes Ross Perot’s independent run, which was pretty darned convincing.
But as Alexandria Occasio Cortez observed, the Democratic party is struggling to raise the minimum wage. Long-term goals like abolishing prisons or abolishing the Senate are not likely to come up in the foreseeable future, even if they are able to secure the House, Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS. Heck, implementation of universal healthcare (which is popular throughout the US) is going to be a process that will take many years, even if it doesn’t get sabotaged by Republicans the way the ACA did.
Also, centrist Democrats have some extreme ideas. They generally want to do the things that serve their lobbyist masters, so maximizing intellectual property law, overregulating social media so that newer, smaller platforms can’t compete with the big ones in place, blocking kids from accessing the internet, deregulating landlords and so on.
And then there’s the stuff that the Republican party is actively working to do, like securing a permanent Republican majority across federal branches of government, hobbling elections, stripping non-whites of rights, stripping women of rights, making Protestant Evangelical Christianity a national religion, replacing income tax with tariffs and so on.
So no, I wouldn’t be too worried about the Red Star Caucus becoming too powerful and dominating US politics. And if, by some time-travel meddling, it did, it couldn’t possibly be worse than the mess we’re in right now.
The majority people believe in universal healthcare with government funding, but it’s pretty much 50/50 split if that means single payer or blend of private and public options or subsidies. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/12/10/most-americans-say-government-has-a-responsibility-to-ensure-health-care-coverage/
Personally I’m for single payer, but I recognize that’s not a popular opinion and only represents the opinion of 30% of the USA.
This is why I find it hard to believe DSA is big tent. They have very specific ideas that they misrepresent their minority as a majority popular opinion (like single payer), and seem to have purity tests within their ranks. I don’t see big tent when I look at the DSA. There’s individuals within the group I like, but I’m realizing those are more exceptions. The Bernie Sanders era is gone, and I’m not sure where to find that kind of progressive political platform these days.
It’s frustrating hive mind tactic I see more online that if centrist democrats have a disagreement with the DSA, the DSA supporters cry that they don’t represent the majority. But look at the data and polling, and DSA doesn’t represent the majority either.
I don’t imagine the model we use for UH is going to be a wedge issue, at least not the way the Gaza genocide is. We don’t need something that is a perfect model for each and every citizen, just one that more or less works. ACA was a step forward, albeit was deliberately sabotaged by the Republican party from its inception.
In fact, most policies and social safety nets were not perfect from the beginning. The Constitution of the United States, itself, had to go through an Articles of Confederation phase.
What is going to be tricky is figuring out how to elect to power only people who want to govern in good faith, so that the institutions we erect can be corrected and improved with time. The big failing of feudalism is that the works of ten good kings can be reduced to ash by one tyrant, and even singular good kings are often the exception. As Jamille Bouie observes, we elected a madman knowing who he is and what his intentions are, and that raises some serious questions about the capacity of the American people to self govern, or if stable large human societies are even possible.
Our society needs radical solutions to serious problems. I would focus on things like wealth taxes, Healthcare, and climate action, but I’m willing to risk breaking a few eggs to elect someone that wants to make an omlette.
I’m all for these changes - my fear is that a large population will want it all NOW! and if there isn’t significant change in 2 years then it must not work.
I’m afraid of this too. Biden was able to manage our economy’s recovery for COVID-19 better than any other industrialized nation in the world, and Americans voted him out based (allegedly) on the price of eggs and racism.
I no longer trust the US constituency to vote sensibly or responsibly. I don’t know, however, if they are just daft and vote on vibes, or if they’ve been effectively manipulated by the massive oligarch-sponsored far-right propaganda machine that dominates social media and television viewership. It could be a combination of both, but it doesn’t matter. Either way, it looks like the US is fucked, since we have no short-term countermeasure for either.
And to be fair, our ultra-wealthy are vastly rich, more so than the plutocracy has ever been in history. What they’re doing now to the US, they’ll be able to do to the rest of the developed world. And it’s already been softened up by decades of neoliberal policy.
There are clear signs that the mainline democratic party (the centrists or establishment Democrats) are captured and are a controlled opposition. Most recently Hakeem Jeffries in an interview threw progressives and DSA under a bus, implying that they are not welcome in the Democratic party because their platform is too extreme. And he counts as Democratic party leadership.
I’m afraid of this too. Biden was able to manage our economy’s recovery for COVID-19 better than any other industrialized nation in the world
As long as you’re a billionaire, sure.
Btw most of that “unsupporters” are just indifferent, not even against.
