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Glad their nominee is doing exactly what he said he would. /s
Right!? I’ve been so confused by the notion of Trump being the anti-Israel vote. That’s not what I heard him say.
I had someone arguing at me here, with the supreme confidence of the ignorant, that trump and Harris would be the same for Palestineans.
I thought those accounts went dormant after the election. Maybe there’s still some OpenAI credit left on the controller?
They are trying to foment division among trump’s opposition, the disinfo machines never stop until there is a civil war or collapse.
One of those dumb fucks already responded here.
But Id like to think they’re AI instead of just mind numbingly stupid.
The Harris/Biden comparison was more valid, although we can’t be sure she would stay that path once in office and with pressure from Congress and public. But at least there was a chance of both of those. Anyone who thought Trump wouldn’t ramp things up or would listen to calls for change…I don’t know what they were thinking. He’s never done that, never been like that. His history as a businessman and as a President for four years is right there to review.
The thing is that Harris could be moved by progressives winning primaries and the 2026 midterms at the very least. There is almost no hope of something similar for trump.
I I genuinely wonder what would change? What’s worse than denying and backing the genocide with weapons, soldiers and money under Biden? What worse could Trump do?
The West Bank, where roughly half of Palestineans live was more or less left alone as one of yhr administrations red lines (also, Iran’s oil/nuclear facilities.)
With trump incoming, it seems Israel feels they have a green light to expand in the West Bank.
Whoever told you that was lying, they’ve been bombing and expanding settlements in the west bank at an unprecedented rate since Oct 7th. They even bombed Bethlehem on Christmas.
You uhhh, might want to read some of the articles that pop up under that search:
Though yes, Israel has done some bombing in West Bank I don’t think anyone who has seriously followed the conflict would say that the actions in the West Bank have been in any way comparable to the scope and devastation in Gaza. (Admittedly, unsure what Tik Tok is saying.)
Here, lets search for Israel ministers saying that shit before the election:
The Biden administration has not placed, nor will they place any limitations on Israel.
»» They even bombed Bethlehem on Christmas.
WOW! While I am not surprised, I cannot believe that anyone calling themselves a Christian can still throw their support behind that wretched state.
When I mentioned that to one of my republican family, they simply refused to believe it and blamed Hamas.
Israel have been aggressively expanding in the West Bank since October 7, and intensified their campaign at around the same time they started the war with Lebanon. There are no red lines.
What new settlements happened thete in the last year? You are conflating an increase in tensions and conflict with expansion.
Uh… Here you go.
Thank god that the Palestinian that got their land stolen and are living like second grade citizen under apartheid are no touch. All thanks to daddy US !. You and I both know the red line is to not bomb their own Israeli settlers, right? They always had the green light… nothing really changed.
Second Grade citizen would be an improvement over how they’re living in now…
I don’t think you know what apartheid actually was.
If you deny that they’re living under apartheid, the term used by south Africa itself to describe the palestinian situation, then there’s need to discuss any further.
The current issues will end, Biden was at least making noises to get it to stop, Biden was trying to prevent the regional war Iran has been working on, and there were decent indications there would be recovery funding.
Trump indicated none of that and all signs point to encouraging more atrocity
Trying to stop a genocide is trying to start a regional war ? You guys have an extremely skewed view of the world.
I mean yeah he would be/is, at least until Israel’s genocide is over. There is literally nothing Trump can do (at least while beholden to the public and Congress) in this war that Biden hasn’t already done.
Trump is beholden to the public?
People have been yammering on for many years that ‘America needs a businessman for a leader’ without realizing how fucked that statement is. The idea that business people are always efficient and effective doesn’t even capture what the hell happens normally or even the difference between a business and government.
Also for ‘businessmen’ like Trump who have had numerous bankruptcies, also have an affinity for routinely breaking the law and regulations as a matter of course. This is because major companies ALWAYS have multiple lawsuits and violations investigations going on that they try to delay and delay, because the legal fees and fines and such are all factored into the cost of business. Violate safety regulations? No problem. It is better (and cheaper) to fight the injury lawsuits and occassionally have to pay out than simply to have the regulations fully complied with. Fucked some employees over and violate contract terms on the regular? By the time the lawsuit gets heard it’ll be years and they have gotten all what they wanted and much more, then maybe they can settle out of court for a few peanuts after they exhausted the plaintiff.
Do you realize how batshit insane Trump’s picks for his cabinet are? They are done in large part because he A: Wants to establish dominance over congress by seeing if they contest him, and B: Making them have to WORK and FIGHT to get those picks contested, which may not be successful and will waste tons of time and resources. This is EXACTLY how businesses operate and have been operating for many, many years.
This is why a businessman for a leader is the worst thing ever.
I mean he is to an extent. Everyone is talking like the fascist project in America is finished, but it’s not and there’s no guarantee they’ll be able to complete it. That said it’s mostly Congress doing the heavy lifting here; there are enough sane Republicans that Trump wouldn’t be able to get away with some of the more outrageous stuff.
I would love to see the list of Republicans in Congress whose districts/states WEREN’T carried by pro-Trump zealots and who WOULDN’T lose their seats if they went against Trump.
Hint: it could fit on an index card, double spaced
I mean there were Republicans opposed to one of his appointments (don’t remember who) and you only need four of them to side with the Democrats to get a majority.
That’s such a waste of card stock. Use a sticky note.
I hope you’re right but I won’t hold my breath
That’s the silliest damn thing.
Why do you think Israel announced they were annexing the West Bank right after the election?
Ignorant goddamn children spouting off about global politics.
So first, I can’t actually find anything about this except Smotrich pushing for annexation so do you have a source that says they’re going to go forward with annexation? Now second, Smotrich started yapping about annexing West Bank settlements (not the whole West Bank; if Israel did that they’d have to give Palestinians rights) literally a day or two after the election, meaning he already had plans for something similar before then. You don’t just wake up and start taking steps towards annexing an occupied territory that’s not how that works.
You mean, finance minister Smotrich?
And yes, believe it or not, the Israelis were not the only people on Earth who didn’t know about the election of their largest ally and presumably gameplanned for either a Harris or trump victory.
The fact Smotrich held back from saying anything until after the election tells you the election mattered in terms of what happens next.
That is precisely why you had to avoid trump’s carte blanche at all costs.
I’m not.
A significant percentage of likely Democratic voters in several states voted “undecided” in the primaries with the public, stated purpose of making it clear to Biden/Harris that they wanted changes with regard to US policy on Israel’s genocide.
Biden/Harris ignored them.
Of course they didn’t get those votes. It’s one thing to double-down on bombing kids. It’s another to double-down on bombing kids and also tell voters to go fuck themselves.
I hope the decision turns out well for them.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” said Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump.
Nazarko said the community would continue pressing to make its voices heard after rallying votes to help Trump win. “At least we’re on the map.”
Hate to break it to him, but Team Trump’s plan is for Gaza to be completely off the map.
It’s free real estate
Beachside.
And just in time for climate change!
With prebuilt houses. Just need to wait for the military to clear out the Untermensch.
Unironically, yes.
Not just Gaza but brown people in general
Rola Makki, the Lebanese American, Muslim vice chair for outreach of the Michigan Republican Party, shrugged off the criticism. “I don’t think everyone’s going to be happy with every appointment Trump makes, but the outcome is what matters,” she said. “I do know that Trump wants peace, and what people need to realize is that there’s 50,000 dead Palestinians and 3,000 dead Lebanese, and that’s happened during the current administration.”
And trump will let Netanyahu wipe all the Palestinians off the map and murder even more Lebanese. I hope it’s all worth it to you.
To be fair, under Trump, there will eventually be a ceasefire (once there’s no one left to shoot).
They’ll just keep looking for people to shoot, too
How do brainless fools like this ever make it to positions of influence? Trump has been openly supporting both Israel and Russia since the start. His version of “peace” is capitulation and/or elimination of the victims.
Failing upward whilst kissing ass, its the American Way.
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Fuel and eggs, my friend. Fuel and eggs. And guns.
You casts your vote, you takes your choice. And you takes the consequences of your utterly braindead choice.
I can’t figure out how the fuck any Muslim even barely knowledgeable of trump doesn’t know that as a republican, his whole platform is built on the backs of Israel-worshipping US Christians. They, like many other groups, may as well be lambs voting for the wolf.
I don’t understand it. How is anyone so politically deaf and blind? Even if the only thing you only listened to was Trumptler’s word-vomit, this is exactly what he said he would do. And you still fucking voted for this assclown? How??
Anger/despair beats rational/strategic thought :/
The leopards are gonna have acid reflux on this one
We’ll get ‘em a shit ton of Prilosec so they can continue comfortably
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Dumb fucks.
Lmao, morons gonna moron and on and on…
indiscriminate ignorance 🤙
I am not shocked. I am not shocked at anything anymore. It’s like the South American dude who said he would still love Trump even if Trump deported him and his entire family…
lol what a bunch of morons! They should have stuck to voting for the pro-israel democratic party!!!
1.Oh no ! I am totally completely sure Harris wasn’t gonna do the same! If only she won ! the Palestinian genocide that was backed and aided under Biden and her would’ve continued as usual, but uhhh… Yeah…
2.Their face was already being eaten and voting to change who’s eating it was probably more of “fuck you ! Get eaten too fuckers”. If and only if there’s a big number of Muslim voters that instead of simply abstaining from voting decided to vote Trump out of spite, but this lead me to my third point.
- TimesofIsrael isn’t the most reliable source to get info about muslims. I would guess you wouldn’t have had read the “Nazi daily” to get info about the jewish population in WW2.
this is from reuters, you should check the other post, which copies reuters, but throws away the links.
And yea, Harris had a 20% chance to stop the war (I guess now we’ll never know), whereas with trump you had a 99% chance that Palestine is gone from the map.
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I am pro-palestinian and say fuck it ! Let there be a full war in the middle east. USA would back up Israel whether its Harris or Trump anyway. No amount of genocide is acceptable and no amount of backing genocide is acceptable. Fuck humanity ! thank god we’re fucking ourselves with climate change.
The 20% you speak of is pure cope, nothing more. The messaging was consistent and it was a huge “fuck you”.
How would you know? trump won and you know what he’s gonna do, did you ever consider that was a possibility? Contributing to his victory was the greatest gift to bibi for his atrocities.
Because we just had a Biden term and a year of escalation happening, with no actual steps to stop it. Only PR moves like the pier, that was only there for the IDF, not for the aid. Then we had the campaign, with messaging being “we don’t care about Palestine” and nothing else.
Like, holy shit, you could just as well say “how would you know Trump is going to be bad for Palestine?” and it would be exactly as nonsensical - because we have the pattern of behavior from earlier and the campaigning. Harris embraced Biden’s politics instead of distancing herself from them, it’s that simple.
Right now Biden is unburdened by a presidential campaign. He could do whatever he wants, or at least try to. He is trying to send as much weapons to Ukraine as possible (which is great don’t get me wrong). He is acting. Yet jack shit is done with Palestine because there is no political will to do anything.
And all of this because of people who tried to push “go vote for her anyway”. As if we are in some bizzarro world where a party gets people’s votes for not doing what the people want them to do.
Whatever, it’s done now. Live with your choice and the consequences.
Sure, just don’t complain that Biden or Harris would’ve been different on Palestine.
