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    Am I missing something? Microsoft literally won’t let me upgrade because my fully functional processor is deemed to old for them. Of coarse the adoption rate is low if they start by excluding a good portion of their user base.

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      I don’t even understand why they make that distinction. I recently bought a used notebook with Windows 10 preinstalled that can’t be upgraded. But if you just boot up the Windows 11 ISO it works fine without issues from there.

      Granted I don’t know why someone would want this; I was genuinely surprised when I noticed installation without a Microsoft account isn’t supposed to be possible. Then you get that system that just feels sketchy to use, Teams in autostart, online services in your menus and all that. And that’s just the stuff you can see. It’s a total disaster in my opinion. But it went downhill ever after Windows 7 as far as I can tell.

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        Because Windows 11’s primary new feature is SOC level DRM. Old CPUs don’t have the hardware. Obviously MS won’t advertise this, so they end up making vague arguments that Window 11 is “better” but never really elaborate.

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            He may be referring to this:

            The concerns include the abuse of remote validation of software (where the manufacturer‍—‌and not the user who owns the computer system‍—‌decides what software is allowed to run) and possible ways to follow actions taken by the user being recorded in a database, in a manner that is completely undetectable to the user.

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            It’s hard not to oversimplify. Fundamentally you need to understand the concepts behind secure store and security attestation. I can give you an example:

            With Windows 11, MS can guarantee Netflix or Amazon that the 4k Dolby movie you are streaming from your web browser cannot be ripped and pirated. With Windows 10 they could not make that promise. Though it was very hard to do in 10, it was always technically possible. With an SOC level secure store and properly implemented stack, it’s technically impossible. Of course, there are always going to be good old HW and SW implementation bugs that will be exploitable, but the folks who can do it are in for a rough time.

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        My pet theory is that it’s to throw a bone to OEMs. They came out saying “oop, 7th-gen and older Intel chips won’t work, guess you’ll just need to buy a new PC!” until someone over there noticed that their still-for-sale (at the time the requirements went live), few-thousand-dollar PC (the Surface Studio 2) was a 7th-gen chip so they made eventually an exception just for that one. Because “reasons”.

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      My NUC is rigged to use BIOS instead if EUFI. No go unless I reinstall from scratch. Not at this time! This SSD had been on the same Windows install for years, and it works just fine for work and play.

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      My boot drive is too small for 11 but has always been fine for 10, which is a blessing for me as I have loads of other drive space that isn’t being considered. An unexpected update would make me so sad.

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    Windows 11 has one specific limiting feature that drives me bonkers and it’s not being able to click the clock in the bottom right on a secondary monitor to pull up a calendar. Windows 10 has this, why remove it?

    It’s a miniscule but good feature

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      It seems like they are going out of their way to remove good features. Like they removed the option to right click the taskbar and open task manager. They since added it back, but only because of user demand.

      They have removed quick access to disabling the network, seeing and changing ip settings.

      I can’t remember all the annoying issues, but there’s a lot.

      I hate that it has become a general thing to ruin user experience and possibilities of customization. Google is doing the same with android.

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        My biggest issue is that you can’t open new file explorer tabs in the same window. So before you know it, you have 10 different file browser windows open. It wasn’t a Windows 10 feature either but there was an extension called Qtabbar that allowed it. That doesn’t work on Windows 11. So I’ve been using free commander as a work around. It’s annoying though.

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      Seems like a lot of stuff like that though. At this point I only use windows to play games and I want to interact with the OS as little as possible, so I don’t understand why I would want an updated UI with more ads and Microsoft integrations when it does nothing to improve what I actually use it for.

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        Are you sure? Singing in with an online Microsoft account improves your experience*

        *it allows us to collect data on you

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        Kind of forgot what an OS is… Should fade into the background (but how do you make money with that???)

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      At launch you couldn’t even have that clock on the second screen, they added it back partially in an update, non-clickable.

      And win11 is filled with this sort of thing. It’s the worst update windows ever got, except maybe for winMe - which I don’t recall that well.

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        VISTA comes to mind when i was getting more into computers. I missed XP so bad. Then 7 came out and it was great!

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          half of what made 7 great was first added as an update on vista but people were already burned from it and unwilling to give vista another try.

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      My minor but really irritating gripe is the unmovable taskbar (which I’m not sure if this has changed or not), I’ve been a top taskbar person since xp and it doesn’t make sense to me to remove a feature like that. Apparently there are Reg hacks or third party tools to do what I want but I really shouldn’t have to resort to that Imo.

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        I have tried a reg hack, which worked pretty well, but it kept resetting after every update. And changing the registries I did (don’t recall which I changed or if they still work.) also came with some annoying issues, like window preview still show on top of taskbar (so outside of your screen) among other thing.

        I also preferred to have a smaller taskbar which is also no longer possible.

        So I have given up and resorted to a bottom taskbar on autohide. But even that has some wonky interactions, with for example windows + tab, where there is a nice shade behind your different virtual desktops, but it stops at the original location of the taskbar.

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        The taskbar nailed immovable to the bottom is some impressively dumb bullshit. That limitation is so unnecessary and useless I can only chalk it up to brutal idiocy on the product managers side.

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      From a technical perspective, they didn’t remove it or any of the other missing features from the taskbar since the win11 taskbar was built from scratch without any of the old code for 10. For whatever reason, that feature wasn’t prioritized in the new taskbar build so it wasn’t built yet, or they didn’t want to add it.

      I still think their decision to not allow the new taskbar to be placed on the sides or top is really stupid though, as someone with a 32:9 monitor, I’d much rather use some of my horizontal space for taskbar rather than limited vertical space.

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      This is my biggest gripe with W11 as well. I used to use that all the time to check what day any given date is.

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    Why would I upgrade to an OS that pushes ads on my login screen and start menu? Some software forces me to keep a windows machine around but I’m certainly in no hurry to upgrade from 10 to 11.

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      Because eventually you won’t have a choice. That’s how Microsoft works. Newer versions of Office come with slightly different file formats so people using older version have to upgrade. There’s no plugin for new format or just degradation of the document when opening. They outright refuse.

      Microsoft pushed Windows7 in similar way. New version of DirectX supported only Win7 and not older versions, even though there’s no reason not to from a technical point of view. But new games supported new DirectX only and if you wanted to play better shell out those bucks.

      In the end, biggest enemy to any paid software is not open source competitors, it’s previous versions of their own software for the very same reason you mentioned. Why would anyone upgrade if all they need is already there. Most people don’t need all the features of Office apart from different fonts and sizes, perhaps occasional table.

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        I’m still using Windows 7 in my home computer, for gaming no less, and only recently did some games come out that don’t support it and the only significant push to upgrade is the upcoming (end of year) end of Steam support for it, which is just going to make me use my Linux partition for games more.

        Roughly only in the last 2 years have I started to have any inconveniences from having Windows 7 - basically the latest KiKad, for circuit design, doesn’t support it, so I kept using the previous version which has very rarelly has forced me to go find component and footpads which I would otherwise have already in the latest one.

        The point being that if Windows 7 only started to get incovenient to use (both for gaming and professionally) well beyond not just Windows 8 having been launched but even Windows 10 having been launched, it’s reasonable to expect that Windows 10 will still be fine for use for many years.

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        Fortunately I don’t need gaming features on that machine, I only need to boot it to use things like Odin to flash a Samsung tablet or run crappy Nintendo Switch tools from gbatemp.

        It’s very much a 4th or 5th string machine for me.

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    Let’s see. Its full of ads, spyware and the ui is a complete mess.

    I can’t imagine why people a digging in there heals

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      Honestly, I think, like the article says, the hardware issue is the biggest hurdle. People use Facebook, after all, and it is full of ads and its UI is also a complete mess.

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      I am on Windows 11. The UI has been more consistent than 10 ever was and I am curious where the ads are.

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        The ‘news’ thing in the taskbar counts, I think. As does the recommended apps and preinstalled candy crush. It’s looking less and less like a professional tool nowadays.

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          You can hide the news button on the taskbar and I uninstalled all of those extra, pre-installed, bloat apps. My taskbar looks just as clean as it has for the past 20 years.

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            Even a “pro” install on Windows 10 pre-configured via Rufus will try to install fucking Candy Crush. Professional software my ass.

            Ubuntu at least has a very clear “what you need it for” question in its setup, and extended support for older versions for corps. Seems like companies may actually be better off on Linux these days unless you they’re using Adobe products.

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              You confuse what I meant. In a professional environment, the images should be customized via deployment toolkit. These things should not be in the image at all. But I’ll admit I haven’t looked at the windows 11 builds but I used to do windows 10 and earlier. Any bloatware et al is taken out before production deployments.

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        Too many features that I use daily as a Sysadmin are missing to consider w11 as anything more than a PITA currently.

        At home my PC hardware is fully capable but my HDD will need a reformat, so I either rebuild my system from scratch (not gonna happen any time soon) or fork out for yet another HDD and transfer tools.

        So it’s an imposed cost for little benefit and a whole mountain of inconvenience.

        I literally disabled my TPM chip to prevent w11 force installing itself. Management forked out for a new fleet of w11 machines and staff are straight up refusing to move off older slower PC’s to avoid w11.

        W11 needs a solid 12 months of re-adding existing features to be worth looking sideways at.

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        I hate that I can’t have labels in the taskbar. Really slows down my workflow

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        I bought a new laptop that came with 11, I haven’t had any super annoying issues… Actually the preinstalled Samsung apps are more annoying than anything OS related… But to be fair, when I was setting it up, I looked into how to do it without connecting to a Microsoft account - it’s possible but takes a little work. I wonder if that is the difference…

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      I mean… Full of Ads seems a bit exaggerating… And I have seen much worse UIs on Linux… The spyware part nothing to say, plenty of telemetry and other stuff so yeah…

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        Full of Ads seems a bit exaggerating…

        One is enough. Especially considering it’s a paid product.

        And I have seen much worse UIs on Linux…

        This is like saying “Motorcycles are better, because I’ve seen some terrible car designs”

        plenty of telemetry and other stuff so yeah…

        So as long as many people do a thing, it makes it ok, ya?

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          Well both are operating systems just putting an example that I have seen plenty worse. And no it is not bad…yeah there is always something that could be better but come on if it was that terrible it wouldn’t be used by millions of people everyday without massive issues.

          And for the last point to be clear I was agreeing on the spyware in case it wasn’t clear. I wasn’t saying that it was ok I was saying that yeah it’s true it has plenty so nothing to say on my part.

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    I have a rig with Windows 10, and haven’t upgraded because… Microsoft arbitrarily say my CPU is unsupported, even though it meets all the criteria.

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    To me an os should be something that just let’s me run programs of my choice and use my hardware to it’s fullest. Eg be as light as possible.

    With windows it just wants to suck up all my hardware/battery by itself and puts up a fight anytime I want to install anything myself

    Don’t know how many times now I’ve had to take defaults away from things like edge but yeah

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        I really thought that comment was building up to something like “and that’s why I use Arch, btw” lol

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          As it’s kind of implied at this point I thought I’d leave it out for once ;-)

          But yes I do use Arch, btw.

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            Ah, I was thinking of the original comment when I typed that but in hindsight I guess yours does work haha.
            Gotta love good old Arch, someday soon I do hope to outnerd that regularly with “I use NixOS/Bazzite, btw”.

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      I’m not sure how secure it is, but Chris titus’s windows debloater works wonders for my windows install. Getting rid of edge and other MS clutter really cleans up the windows desktop in a way you wouldn’t think.

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        I actually have used that as well on most of my family’s computers also. It sure does beat messing with settings.

        I think next time I have to reinstall windows I’ll attempt something like tinywin10.

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    2 years is plenty of time to see where linux support is. We should have a good idea by then of where gaming and streaming quality stand for the foreseeable future.

    Most of my PCs will easily go to linux, the big question is whether to suck it up and upgrade my gaming rig to 11 or just switch everything to linux.

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      Switching to Linux is a pain, but its a pain once, staying on windows is the pain that keeps on giving

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        Gaming is much better on Linux thanks to Steam, but having lots of problems with more recent games and their cursed launchers. I try and remember that Gen X had to figure all this stuff out with early versions of Windows and I should resurrect the same determination that got me through back then… but I’d be lying if I said it was easy.

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          I totally agree, I just cba. I have too much going on in my life to start from scratch like that again, and windows is just easy now. I hate the whole drm model, but like most people, I’ll live with it unless Linux finally becomes an easy, viable alternative that’s supported to the same degree as windows and feels just as easy to use.

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      It really depends on the games you play. The thing is, you need to be really honest with yourself in regards to what you play and how far you’re willing to go for the ease of use. Most, if not all games that don’t require invasive anti cheat will just work,there are outliers like media foundations cinematics that just don’t work without protonGE, but even that’s not really a problem and getting smaller and smaller with every proton update. Are you comfortable installing the heroic games launcher from a terminal if it’s not available in your software center? If so, then that opens up a whole new library of games to play from Epic and GoG, if not then use a distro that has it preinstalled.

      The Linux community will make you think it’s an easy transition, and for the most part it is, but as someone who moved to Linux full-time and has been running only Linux for about 6 months, there are still hurdles to jump over, it was about 80% click install and play, and the other 20% was troubleshooting and trying different versions of proton. I’m willing to live with those odds if it means complete freedom of my computer and cutting all ties to Windows. If I want to play games that have anti cheat though, I either have to use GeForce now or use my consoles. However, increasing support for crossplay makes this a non-issue in most cases.

      I do hope you make the jump, it’s pretty clear the path Microsoft wants to follow and I don’t want any part of it, neither should anyone else. We’re in sort of a golden age of Linux gaming right now thanks to Valve, and the momentum doesn’t seem to be slowing down thanks to the steam deck.

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        I don’t really play any anti-cheat multiplayer but I do play some AAA with DRM like Assassins Creed.

        I’m fully comfortable with linux to the degree that I can start with a TTY and set up my own GUI with a window manager (though I prefer to just install a DE.)

        Proton has been hit or miss with me on my laptop: sometimes the game won’t load, or it’ll load but the graphics will suck, or it’ll run nicely but all the good mods aren’t supported. That’s what I mean by seeing what the state of gaming is in 2 years: at that point Steam Deck and Proton should be pretty mature.

        Outside of that, the Windows streaming apps support 4k but resolution is generally limited in the browser, though I suppose I could use my tv’s streaming apps. I’ve used my work software on my linux laptop so I know that’s a non-issue.

        At this point, I don’t have a push to switch, but I’m not really excited for 11 and I might have to reinstall anyway to upgrade because apparently the Windows 10 install didn’t leave Windows 11 enough free space at the start of the disk or some bullshit. And if I have to reinstall anyway in 2 years, I’ll probably just do linux.

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          If your laptop is Nvidia unfortunately it can be hit or miss and that’s just the nature of Nvidia on Linux right now. If you have AMD and in some cases Intel, you’re set and there’s minimal to no setup required.

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            Yep, I’m aware. Though NVIDIA has been a little more willing to push kernel modules, so it might be closer to parity in 2025.

            Both my laptop and desktop have NVIDIA cards.

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        My one game that isn’t fully supported (with mods and add ons) is FFXIV. I’m not switching until ACT (DPS parsing with packet capturing as a windows firewall) is supported. All my others mods for FFXIV are supported very easily it seems.

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          Why in the world do you need packet capturing for an MMO…I can understand DPS meters and tracking, but surely there’s an addon that works.

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            It parses the damage this way. It’s for people who don’t want to use plugins in the game as it doesn’t mess with the game at all. It’s against TOS, but no one cares as long as you don’t talk about it in game. And since a lot of people use this and fewer people use plugins, it’s better supported and will work on launch days most of the time.

            There’s also another plugin that does this too for crafting so you know what you have in what inventories, making it quicker to gather and craft stuff.

            It’s just easier to capture and parse packets than to put a whole plugin in the game. Plugins are getting better but they do take some time after a patch to get updated to be stable.

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      I’m playing a heavily modded skyrim playthrough, 1 click button with wabbajack. There’s support for it but… Not much. I also play FFXIV, half support again. PoE works fineish and Bg3 works somewhat. League works? Not as straightforward when I last tried it. Modded D2 works somewhat but it needs to be configured. Last Epoch worked iirc but I haven’t checked, and their game needs heavy optimization so I’d hold my horses if what they do can be applied to Linux too. I haven’t tried dark souls but that shit lags on any Windows machine so it’s basically a 1 to 1 port lmao.

      As you see, all of them are -ish experiences. It’s always googling issues, checking compatibility… I just want to game man.

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      The steam deck being on a Linux architecture really pushed this forward. Go Linux! And go ARM!

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        Valheim doesn’t work anywhere like a charm, Windows included. They like certain nVidia cards but other than that it’s one of the worst optimized games I had disfortune to use.

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          It works fine if you’re the chosen one.

          I can play it fine in my machine, both windows and Linux, but most of my friends can’t get it to work anywhere close to fine.

          It’s also terrible on steam deck.

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          Thats unfortunately true.What I ment was that it runs much better than windows that tend to BSOD if I’m lucky or shut down my computer after a couple of minutes.

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          It runs fine for me on Linux, same as it does in Windows, always has since release. I am using an Nvidia card though, so maybe I lucked out.

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        They actually made the anti cheat compatible. You just run the exe through wine-ge (I use lutris for that) and it just works. Nothing is modified. Lutris installer also has an installer script that just runs a clean unmodified exe from mihoyo’s site.

        I’ve been running it since 3.8 just fine, everything just works in it. Apparently it’s been supported since 3.5.

        Avoid AnAnimeGame Launcher, that is the launcher where they modify your files, which is completely unnecessary now that it’s compatible.

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          woah, so I could even just add it to steam and use vanilla proton, huh? guess it’s time to make space for another couple dozen gigs in my hard drive lol

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          I wonder if the anticheat actually works that way or it just makes the game think it works.

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            Probably works that way, because it used to be a kernel level anti cheat which Wine can’t fake. If an anti cheat runs in user space (which they should, kernel level is a massive security issue), then it should run with Wine just fine.

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          Personally, I don’t see it coming anytime soon. I played genshin on linux for maybe over a year, and with the fps unlocker for maybe almost 2 years, on both windows and linux, and have never been banned.

          I stopped playing on version a few months ago though.

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    The single biggest reason is that Microsoft significantly limited the hardware that can be used for W11 with the TPM and stringent hardware needs.

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      Not that I want to upgrade but I don’t understand the logic behind the requirements at all. I have a cheap and weak little travel notebook thats apparently elegible, meanwhile my desktop thats very modern and could probably run an atomic scale simulation of that notebook is apparently not suitable.

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        Pretty much any modern CPU has a TPM module built-in. Good chance you just need to go to the BIOS and enable it.

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      I would have upgraded a while ago if my hardware supported it. The kernel upgrades are pretty zippy.

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    My pc isn’t compatible with Win11 (unsupported cpu) and since I’m poor, I’m not getting a new one anytime soon.

    Besides, Win10 is great.

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    Windows 11 is basically Windows 10 with a slightly nicer (in most respects) desktop. There aren’t a lot of compelling reasons to switch if what you have works well enough.

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      Windows 11 is also much better at collecting personal data with improved analytics and Microsoft spyware running under the hood. Not to mention it’s superiority at serving advertisements and embedding them in nearly every aspect of the UI.

      It’s doubtful that Microsoft shareholders have meetings about how to improve the user experience of their OS. I think they are more concerned with extracting every penny they can designing the most efficient backend to harvest data and push ads, kinda like our friends at Alphabet, Microsoft is trying so desperately to emulate.

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            Maybe the web results when searching in the start menu? This was previously a local only search and is now a severely degraded experience out of the box. I used reg keys to disable the web search feature long ago and return the prior functionality.

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      The new start menu sucked, and is one of the main reasons I won’t switch.

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        That’s why I said in most respects. The Windows 10 start menu is way more configurable. It doesn’t waste space for “recommended” apps either. In Win11 it is possible to reduce the space eaten up for recommendations but not hide it. The way pinned apps flow left to right and down is annoying too for spatial positioning. An update added icon groups which is something. I think the rest of the desktop, things like the control panel, task bar is a lot slicker in general though.

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          The Windows 10 start menu is way more configurable. It doesn’t waste space for “recommended” apps either.

          It’s twice the size as it was in win7, and 100% of the extra space is used to display icons for apps that I don’t use, don’t want, and can’t be removed.

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            Windows 10 start menu can remove all the apps you don’t need. You can have an entire empty menu if you’d like. You can even hide the app list.

            Not only that, you can even resize it to be half the size of Windows 7.

            The fuck you on about?

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    The usual “switch to Linux” spiel.

    It’s easier than ever before, blah blah blah.

    [Debian based distro] is a good option.

    Beware of temporary pitfalls such as Adobe and arrogant game devs decided not to tick the EAC/Battleye for Proton compatibility box, etc.

    Tbh, it’s really getting tiring to tell people to try Linux to only get hit with a tsunami of out of date straw man arguments featuring issues that haven’t be relevant in almost a decade.

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      I doubt I’ll switch any time soon, I use Linux for work and have a dislike for how small issues turn into hours of troubleshooting, but anyway, not the point. I think something that deters a lot of people are the really vocal people who shove it down others throats and treat people who don’t want to switch like idiots.

      We all have our reasons, I’ll keep using Win10 until it becomes too much of a security risk and then reevaluate my options. For now I enjoy having shit that just works, for example, I use Cura, it hasn’t had a working Linux release in years, there’s a lot of deterrents for the layperson or those who have to troubleshoot and struggle to get shit working for a job and couldn’t be arsed to do it in their personal time.

      Ah, also, some things I see in these comments I don’t really deal with because I use enterprise edition. MS I believe is smart enough to not fuck with their enterprise customers as that’s where their profits are, so I guess my experience is slightly different (I was also an MS SysEng for ~12 years)

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        Also people seem to completely ignore the amount of re-learning I’d need to do to switch. I’m not really a power user of Windows, but part of the reason it runs pretty smoothly for me is that I have a decade plus of knowledge of common failure points. You sort of get an intuition about things after awhile that I don’t have on a different OS. Little issues the might result in a couple of days of troubleshooting are just solved immediately because I have hunches on what the issue is.

        Meanwhile I’m struggling on my steamdeck to deal with minor problems because I’m very unfamiliar with the setup. It’s not insurmountable, but it’s a barrier to entry that I’m not willing to undertake just yet.

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          Hallucinations aside, if you use it with skepticism, ChatGPT can be great at walking you through stuff and helping you understand why things work the way they do. I’m using it like a teacher to get better at Python and it’s great.

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        All valid.

        I personally believe that if work mandates electronic material for your job or project, then they should provide the equipment. However, if this is not possible, then getting equipment that is specialized for your work is a more prudent solution that you can free your daily driver from.

        After all, we shouldn’t be married to our work. It should be an investment in our skills and abilities.

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          This you may hate me for but I use windows on both my work laptop and my personal PC, makes it easier to RDP onto my laptop and use all my screens when I’m at home. WSL is handy and for everything else I go the cattle route and just spin up an EC2 Instance. That is something I appreciate about Linux, when you write a working script, that shit just works and rarely breaks, so making ephemeral environments is trivial and super handy.

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        Made the switch, yet its still easier for me to remote onto a windows machine to still use autodesk than learn any free alternatives ( freeCAD :l ), and a WiFi driver took me 2 days to find. However my workplace for some unbenownst reason has 11 Pro (instead of enterprise) on some of our machines, which Ill notice popups for office360 and kinda cringe at, hoping the customer never does

        Do have to push prusaSlicer, I used Cura for so long but just experimenting found more satisfaction for the slic3r solver, especially for bridges and overhangs

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          I’ve been walking a friend through starting to print stuff and he uses Arch, so is in turn using Prusa. I find there’s a bunch of settings that are either obfuscated behind one master setting or stuff that’s just plain missing. I’m not going to deny that the slicer itself may be better but I need more options.

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            Im actually curious what those would be, I’ve been mostly “vanilla” printing, tweaking speed and the likes, only recently tried ironing. And I would hate to be missing out on a cool feature and not even know it lol

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              I almost forgot.

              Prusa hides some of these settings…

              https://imgur.com/a/jmxr3SV

              This gives some kickass supports. The settings for the z distance needs to be adjusted according to your layer height. Also, this is an old screenshot, I now use tree supports, but all the support interface settings is what actually counts.

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                And that would explain a lot of the behaviors I could’ve probably tweaked with cura… thanks!

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              Nah, nothing cool or interesting unfortunately, it’s things like extrusion widths (AFAIK there’s just an extrusion multiplier in Prusa)

              I mainly use it to get badass supports and rafts that leave the bottom of the print looking good. The trick is, on the top layers of the support material, have the lines less than a mm apart, then under extrude it dramatically, this leaves a really brittle but quite solid layer that doesn’t tend to stick to the print very well but gives good support.

              I’ll see if I can find the screenshot I took of all my support settings if you’re interested.

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        Wait cura is that out of date on Linux? I’ve been using superslicer since cura was kinda confusing to me but I’m surprised it’s lagging behind with the Linux builds

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          I have no idea what they’re talking about. The Windows and Linux versions have been released in step and work perfectly fine on Linux.

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          I think they may have just released a working Linux version in the last few weeks but I haven’t really looked into it,was just something I heard.

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      Thank you for doing this work. I tried Ubuntu dual booted in 2011 and loved it but gave it up when windows re-wrote the boot. I finally got a linux machine when I got a second PC. I think laptops and phones are the best bolster to linux - you can troubleshoot on a second screen instead of getting soft-locked while doing a base install to a mission critical computer.

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        Move to UEFI had a unintended benefit to us Linux users since boot is handled by the BIOS based on records on UEFI partition.

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    If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Windows 10 isn’t even close to end of support.

    If enterprise users haven’t moved over then individual users don’t need to.

    I will move over before support finishes but make no mistake that’ll be because I’m forced to due to security reasons and not because I want to.

    My windows 10 enterprise has been running flawlessly.