Esk 🐌⚡💜 (@esk@hachyderm.io)
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@thisismissem @mekkaokereke @dma so stats, based on dec 2024 exit run rate (rounded for simplicity): #hachyderm costs about $1600/mo to run. this is up somewhat, as we've started to add some infra as part of our resilience plan announced in nov. we currently have about: - 55000 users - 9700 MAU - 3.7M toots yielding: - $.03/user/mo - $.16/active user/mo - $.0004/toot from a raw compute & storage perspective. again, this is based on 100% volunteer work. today, our mods and infra folk graciously donate their time to keep this thing going. hypothetically, if we paid them, say, $120k USD/yr (chose this to make the math cleaner), that would add $10k/person/mo to the cost. if we go with a staff of eight (mix of mod & infra), that adds $80k/mo to the run rate, for a total of $81,600/mo, yielding: - $1.48/user/mo - $8.41/active user/mo - the toot figure is silly, so i'm not calculating it again :blobfoxlaugh: orders of magnitude of difference. we could argue about the staff size - i went with roughly what we have today and assumed we made everyone full time so they could hachy for 32/hr/wk vs. calculating the number of hours we actually work. e.g. maybe we could it out at ~$4.50/user/mo, but still a multiple orders of magnitude bump from the raw infra cost.
  • rglullisOPAEnglish
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    3 hours ago

    Linux has been around for 30+ years, is it making a dent on Microsoft and Apple’s business for personal computers?

    Yes! Android is Linux based and dominates market share worldwide.

    For desktop, Linux has 4-5% of usage share worldwide, going up to 13% in India. If you include ChromeOS (which is also Linux based) the figures get close to 10% worldwide. Also, the fact that companies like Dell and HP have Linux offerings available give them bargaining power against Microsoft, which certainly counts as “creating a dent on their business”.

    Because after discussing all this time with you, it seems more due to human nature than anything else.

    It’s not “human nature”. It’s a cultural issue. High-trust societies (e.g, the Japanese) are a lot more inclined to support the commons even when not directly required to do so. Low-trust, heterogenous societies become increasingly reluctant to help others unless coerced by authority or when they see direct personal benefit.

    Also, blaming things on “human nature” is a cop-out. It removes agency from individuals and leads us to apathy. It’s the exact kind of thing that powerful figures wants us to feel.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
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      3 hours ago

      Yes! Android is Linux based and dominates market share worldwide.

      Android is led by Google, with all their resources, both in terms of devs and money.

      Android is an open source operating system for mobile devices and a corresponding open source project led by Google

      https://source.android.com/

      Also, the fact that companies like Dell and HP have Linux offerings available give them bargaining power against Microsoft, which certainly counts as “creating a dent on their business”.

      It comes back to what I said before: Linux and Android are useful to companies because they can use it, especially in the case of Google, it allowed them to compete with Apple in the mobile OS market, with the play stores and ad revenues.

      Every time you buy an app or game on the Play Store, the total amount is split between Google and the developer. The exact percentage varies, but Google takes a minimum of 15% in exchange for hosting the app and serving it to users.

      https://www.androidauthority.com/how-does-google-make-money-from-android-669008/

      What interest would any private company to invest in a Reddit-clone? Reddit itself had to enshittify to hell to make profit.

      High-trust societies (e.g, the Japanese) are a lot more inclined to support the commons even when not directly required to do so. Low-trust, heterogenous societies become increasingly reluctant to help others unless coerced by authority or when they see direct personal benefit.

      Where is the Japanese open-source Reddit clone? You also haven’t provided the example I asked above about an open-source project where end users countered the “tragedy of the commons”.

      Also, blaming things on “human nature” is a cop-out. It removes agency from individuals and leads us to apathy.

      Disregarding human nature leads to unrealistic expectations. I’ll take an example I know well as I post a lot around here.

      When I post to a community, I do not expect anything in exchange. I am aware of the 1-9-90 rule , and I know that due to the current population of Lemmy, I won’t find that many other people posting. But that’s okay, I’m fine with that, and I know that over time some other people might come, first to comment, then to post themselves.

      Now if I completely refuted that rule, I would be very frustrated. “How come that in a community with 2600 active users per month I am the only one posting?”. I would start making meta post, calling out people “You should post more if you want the community to survive! You not posting is hypocritical as you do not put your time and energy in the platform but just want to use it!”. And that would probably chase people away, without making them post more.

      • rglullisOPAEnglish
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        1 hour ago

        I think I am ready to give up on this conversation.

        The worldviews are too different. It makes no sense to make this distinction about “beneficial to companies” and “beneficial to communities” and it actually seems to me like a misunderstanding of why corporations exist in the first place.

        Also, sorry if this is harsh, but you are repeatedly showing an inability of abstract thinking. I talk about the Japanese and your reaction is to ask “where is the Japanese Reddit”? Really? Are you expecting that different cultures will converge to the exact type of equivalent artifacts, just with different colors?

        (Anyway, I’d posit that the “Japanese Reddit” is misskey, but I already dread the thought you will respond with some silly pontification about how misskey looks more like Twitter than Reddit)

        Maybe it is time for to cut my losses and accept that this whole discussion is a waste of time.