Y’all have impossible expectations. OG is on an expiring contract. He could walk for nothing. There’s no chance the Raptors are getting a KD package like y’all expect.
The post-championship bubble season was worthwhile. Nobody is going to blow up a 60 win quality team and arguably there was a pivot in place to a Pascal/Fred/OG led team but it didn’t hit high enough of an offensive upside.
After that, he picked Barnes but aside from that it’s been a slow erosion and a net outflow of draft picks just to be mid.
If OG is as good as people say he is ten those first round picks would be worthless. In hindsight the Grizzlies seem like good picks but no one could have reasonably predicted them to be a lottery team with Morant.
Masai kinda getting stubborn though and not dealing players at ideal times.
They went into this season on seeing how OG does before deciding on contract talks when it’s been reported he wants to most he can get in FA (more than what they Raps can pay) and wants a bigger role on offense.
We didn’t get anything in return for losing both Lowry and FVV.
I think he’ll deal one of or both OG & Siakam for pieces to build around Barnes.
We have his bird rights, so no team can outbid us on OG (or Siakam). The real issue is that he’s a UFA and can choose to sign with any team he wants. Masai should have traded Siakam/OG when they still had years left on their contracts and now we’ll have to overpay for both (not so bad in OG’s case) to retain them.
Yeah, if I’m the Lakers, I’m trying to sell Toronto on an OG for DLo plus stuff package. They’re not as depleted of picks as they were a couple years ago. Really depends on how serious the Raptors are about holding onto OG though
OG is the Raptors’ defensive anchor. The only way Masai would sacrifice our defence is for a player with Lillard’s offensive talent. We already have our own version of Dlo in Gary Trent Jr.
Masai loves OG. I really don’t see them moving OG considering he works better with the Scottie timeline than someone like Siakam and is one of the only decent 3 pt shooters we have had in years
See which way Toronto wants to go? I think they want to go with more than almost nothing that the lakers have to offer. There’s teams that would offer 2-3 frp and young talent for him.
For sure. I definitely was throwing it out there as a comparison to Zach vs a reality. LA has an odd looming timeline too. This version probably has a 2-3 year expiration date (Bron retires to Vegas). Making a move now for anyone who is going to be getting paid, or will want to be paid, max/near-max money for 4-5 years doesn’t make sense.
But let’s face it, Bron has probably this season and next season left, Lakers have got to start planning for the future. Plus one of the biggest issues is that the Lakers start so flat with low energy and that’s been the case since 2018 when Bron joined. It’s just gotten worse.
Chances of Bron winning another one with LA are slim at this point, adding Lavine to that mix ups that chance a bit while also preparing for the future when he retires/leaves. Lakers are shit when Bron sits, AD isn’t that guy to take over the offense. Bron is probably only good for 25 mins when he’s going full blast on both ends, they need someone to help share that load.
Was hoping for Kyrie but Dallas are too good right now
But we also need a ball handler that can dribble penetrate… oh and also a reliable shooter… you mentioned perimeter defense… a strong rebounder would be great alongside AD as well… also our coach is an idiot
You’re 25th in ORTG for the year while being 13th in DRTG. Basically your defense is slightly above average while your offense is complete ass. Trust me brother, you need Lavine.
A big part of the Lakers’ rebounding issues is because they’ve been forced to play Taurean Prince starters minutes due to all the injuries. He has some positive qualities, but he’s a horrendous rebounder for a forward. If the Lakers were at full strength, he likely wouldn’t even be in the rotation, as he’d probably be the 10th or 11th man.
Full strength the Laker rotation would probably be AD, LeBron, Vanderbilt, Reddish and D’lo starting, with Reaves, Vincent, Rui, Wood and Hayes off the bench. Prince and Max Christie (who have both been starting) would probably mostly fall out of the rotation except in garbage time or very limited minutes.
Rui just had surgery to fix a broken nose basically and is supposed to be re-evaluated next week, and Vanderbilt got cleared to begin workouts a while back and is just working himself back into shape. Getting Cam Reddish back would also help a lot of these issues, and he should be back soon too.
ehhh… AD still inexplicably only plays offense every other night, and we could definitely use some more non-LeBron fire power on his off nights
not sure if I would give up Reaves but if we could get Bulls to bite on DLo + Max + Hood-Schifino + 2029 pick I think adding LaVine makes a ton of sense
I dunno I watched Lavine in Toronto last week he looked great had like 38 pts? Not sure how the math would work out but Reaves, Russel, and a pick would absolutely be worth it if it was possible.
Would make more sense to go after Vuc than Lavine lol. Idk why people think star power = champs. Case and point - Nets (with KD) and Clippers (pick a year, doesn’t change a thing).
The Lakers’ front office has been such an utterly bizarre mix of great moves and horrible ones over the last few years (really going back two different FOs ago). The Zubac trade was obviously bad as soon as Magic made it, and I still don’t understand why Pelinka placed so little value on Caruso as to just let him walk when he would have been cheap to re-sign. Other boneheaded moves were letting Brook Lopez walk when it only would have taken about $3m to re-sign him, letting Julius Randle walk in FA when his rookie contract ended, and obviously the trade to get Westbrook.
Lakers just need to wait until Vando and Vincent come back, it fix the lack of playmaking and perimeter defense. They just need another C to deal with elite Center like Embid or Jokic or hell even Senguin. Lakers seem to get cook if the other team have a good Center.
Idk who watches the Lakers and thinks Zach Lavine fixes our issues. We need a big man and someone that can play perimeter defense
our perimeter defense would be fine if reddish and rui were healthy. our defense is fine (when healthy)
the main issue is offense. we are in the bottom 5 in offensive rating in the league, when lebron sits we can’t generate offense for shit, and our wings haven’t been knocking down 3s. Lavine literally solves all of that
Idk who watches the Lakers and thinks Zach Lavine fixes our issues. We need a big man and someone that can play perimeter defense
Jeannie Buss, perhaps?
don’t forget her wine club with Kurt and Linda Rambis
What we need is to play with our full roster for the first time this season. We can always use another 3 and D but Zach Lavine is not necessary
Lavine is shooting below league average on 3s and he’s a shitty defender.
Read what I wrote again
Deandre Jordan
OG makes more sense in every way, just have to wait and see which way Toronto decides to go.
I don’t think the Lakers would win a bidding war for OG. The Grizzlies and Pelicans reportedly offered 3 1sts for OG last trade deadline.
If true Masai is crazy
OG averages as much a DLo and is the best perimeter defender in the league… Bum deal for the Raptors.
Y’all have impossible expectations. OG is on an expiring contract. He could walk for nothing. There’s no chance the Raptors are getting a KD package like y’all expect.
Yes. Masai has dropped the ball every way possible after the Championship season.
How so? Would you mind explaining; I see nothing but praise on /r/nba for Masai so this is a little surprising for me to hear.
The post-championship bubble season was worthwhile. Nobody is going to blow up a 60 win quality team and arguably there was a pivot in place to a Pascal/Fred/OG led team but it didn’t hit high enough of an offensive upside.
After that, he picked Barnes but aside from that it’s been a slow erosion and a net outflow of draft picks just to be mid.
I think 2/3 of those first from a Memphis ended up being in the late 20’s
So? We are talking about a player on an expiring contract. 3 1sts is still 3 1sts. They aren’t getting 3 lotto picks for OG.
Or went in the Marcus Smart trade. Memphis doesn’t have as many picks to throw around and it seems Masai wasn’t coveting Zaire.
If OG is as good as people say he is ten those first round picks would be worthless. In hindsight the Grizzlies seem like good picks but no one could have reasonably predicted them to be a lottery team with Morant.
An analyst said this and it’s true, OG is a hall of fame talent based on what Toronto has turned down for him
Toronto will say they’re selling, make the selling price ridiculous, do nothing and eventually lose the player in free agency
If Masai let’s OG/Siakam walk for nothing, then he 100% should get fired on the spot.
Price rediculous for the Lakers*
It is known.
Masai kinda getting stubborn though and not dealing players at ideal times.
They went into this season on seeing how OG does before deciding on contract talks when it’s been reported he wants to most he can get in FA (more than what they Raps can pay) and wants a bigger role on offense.
We didn’t get anything in return for losing both Lowry and FVV.
I think he’ll deal one of or both OG & Siakam for pieces to build around Barnes.
We have his bird rights, so no team can outbid us on OG (or Siakam). The real issue is that he’s a UFA and can choose to sign with any team he wants. Masai should have traded Siakam/OG when they still had years left on their contracts and now we’ll have to overpay for both (not so bad in OG’s case) to retain them.
where did achiuwa come from then?
Precious played well for like a month and is just a bench player currently.
Waited so long for a deal and his destinations dwindled to where the return was a promising project rather than ready contributor for an Allstar.
Yeah, if I’m the Lakers, I’m trying to sell Toronto on an OG for DLo plus stuff package. They’re not as depleted of picks as they were a couple years ago. Really depends on how serious the Raptors are about holding onto OG though
OG is the Raptors’ defensive anchor. The only way Masai would sacrifice our defence is for a player with Lillard’s offensive talent. We already have our own version of Dlo in Gary Trent Jr.
Masai loves OG. I really don’t see them moving OG considering he works better with the Scottie timeline than someone like Siakam and is one of the only decent 3 pt shooters we have had in years
Masai will never trade with the lakers. He loves trolling
Probably gonna trade his 2025 FRP for a first round exit.
See which way Toronto wants to go? I think they want to go with more than almost nothing that the lakers have to offer. There’s teams that would offer 2-3 frp and young talent for him.
Somehow I feel like 1 pick in 2029 and D’Angelo Russell is not going to get Masai to give up OG.
For sure. I definitely was throwing it out there as a comparison to Zach vs a reality. LA has an odd looming timeline too. This version probably has a 2-3 year expiration date (Bron retires to Vegas). Making a move now for anyone who is going to be getting paid, or will want to be paid, max/near-max money for 4-5 years doesn’t make sense.
I’d give up a pick to not have D’Angelo on the Raps
Toronto wouldn’t trade OG for Giannis at this point and then he will walk in FA for nothing
Masai is a dude who wants to win every trade if he chooses to make it.
Rather than trade and get the best available assets.
not working great for him
Masai would hang up the phone halfway through that sentence lol
At least on the perimeter defense front, Cam should be back very soon. Vando sometime over the next week or two, I’d think. No idea on Vincent.
This year? Sure.
But let’s face it, Bron has probably this season and next season left, Lakers have got to start planning for the future. Plus one of the biggest issues is that the Lakers start so flat with low energy and that’s been the case since 2018 when Bron joined. It’s just gotten worse.
Chances of Bron winning another one with LA are slim at this point, adding Lavine to that mix ups that chance a bit while also preparing for the future when he retires/leaves. Lakers are shit when Bron sits, AD isn’t that guy to take over the offense. Bron is probably only good for 25 mins when he’s going full blast on both ends, they need someone to help share that load.
Was hoping for Kyrie but Dallas are too good right now
But we also need a ball handler that can dribble penetrate… oh and also a reliable shooter… you mentioned perimeter defense… a strong rebounder would be great alongside AD as well… also our coach is an idiot
You’re 25th in ORTG for the year while being 13th in DRTG. Basically your defense is slightly above average while your offense is complete ass. Trust me brother, you need Lavine.
A big part of the Lakers’ rebounding issues is because they’ve been forced to play Taurean Prince starters minutes due to all the injuries. He has some positive qualities, but he’s a horrendous rebounder for a forward. If the Lakers were at full strength, he likely wouldn’t even be in the rotation, as he’d probably be the 10th or 11th man.
Full strength the Laker rotation would probably be AD, LeBron, Vanderbilt, Reddish and D’lo starting, with Reaves, Vincent, Rui, Wood and Hayes off the bench. Prince and Max Christie (who have both been starting) would probably mostly fall out of the rotation except in garbage time or very limited minutes.
What are the Vando and Rui injury timelines? Both of them kinda check those boxes… kinda.
Rui just had surgery to fix a broken nose basically and is supposed to be re-evaluated next week, and Vanderbilt got cleared to begin workouts a while back and is just working himself back into shape. Getting Cam Reddish back would also help a lot of these issues, and he should be back soon too.
Crazy to me that y’all need a big man as much as you do despite having AD. The backup bigs you have just play zero defense.
ehhh… AD still inexplicably only plays offense every other night, and we could definitely use some more non-LeBron fire power on his off nights
not sure if I would give up Reaves but if we could get Bulls to bite on DLo + Max + Hood-Schifino + 2029 pick I think adding LaVine makes a ton of sense
Who watching the bulls thinks reaves solves any problems either. Dumb both ways
LeBron
Hmm. Sound like lavine to me.
Christian wood and rui aren’t enough?
I dunno I watched Lavine in Toronto last week he looked great had like 38 pts? Not sure how the math would work out but Reaves, Russel, and a pick would absolutely be worth it if it was possible.
There’s a certain perimeter defender on the Bulls that I’ve had my eye on for years… 🦅
Would make more sense to go after Vuc than Lavine lol. Idk why people think star power = champs. Case and point - Nets (with KD) and Clippers (pick a year, doesn’t change a thing).
The Lakers’ front office has been such an utterly bizarre mix of great moves and horrible ones over the last few years (really going back two different FOs ago). The Zubac trade was obviously bad as soon as Magic made it, and I still don’t understand why Pelinka placed so little value on Caruso as to just let him walk when he would have been cheap to re-sign. Other boneheaded moves were letting Brook Lopez walk when it only would have taken about $3m to re-sign him, letting Julius Randle walk in FA when his rookie contract ended, and obviously the trade to get Westbrook.
to be fair, Lavine is a pretty good 3 point shooter. That would fit a need for the lakers.
yeah but you also desperately need a third guy to be the guy when Lebron sits because it’s not AD.
Ayton and Thybulle for Reaves and Hachimura.
Kinda need the center to do the dirty work like Dwight and Javale did.
Lakers just need to wait until Vando and Vincent come back, it fix the lack of playmaking and perimeter defense. They just need another C to deal with elite Center like Embid or Jokic or hell even Senguin. Lakers seem to get cook if the other team have a good Center.
The fuck is AD? Lmao you mean a back up big?
Wtf yall pay AD for?
our perimeter defense would be fine if reddish and rui were healthy. our defense is fine (when healthy)
the main issue is offense. we are in the bottom 5 in offensive rating in the league, when lebron sits we can’t generate offense for shit, and our wings haven’t been knocking down 3s. Lavine literally solves all of that
And Lavine is a short guy who can’t play any defense.
So Caruso and Vuc.
Caruso sitting on another Caruso’s shoulders
Bring in Caruso squared
Ah yes, perimeter defense very good. Everything is the best!