i get it’s a legitimate safety thing to some degree and to certain people but have you considered that i cannot leave my place right now which is why i paid 40 dollars you ess dee for taco bell. which was a legitimate safety thing for myself as well, frankly.

and i totally get it: apartments fucking suck ass. i did this job for years. every single apartment design is absolute dogshit minus maybe 2 or 3 i’ve seen in my life between 3 cities. buildings will not be laid out, address wise, sequentially at all so finding anywhere is a fucking nightmare, the roads will be dogshit as well, potholes and speedbumps and i’m just trying to do my job and certain dumb complexes will randomly have some address noumbers on like, the back side of the building facing away from the fucking road for some reason??? why??? insane. just a total fucking hell. yes. i understand. but when i did the job i gritted my teeth and figured it out myself. calling the person is an absolute last resort. it’s a nightmare but frankly also when i gave up and called the person, waiting around and/or trying to get directions from them was just as annoying. bullshit job. we need high speed tubes connecting everywhere in the city.

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    Personally, I’m crippled, so even getting to the front door is a process. If a driver calls me and says I need to come down, I tell them no shot, I paid you to bring it to my door, so either bring it to my door or refund it.

    If drivers are not getting paid enough to bring deliveries to people’s doors? That’s a conversation for the drivers to have with the company. The company says they’ll bring it to me, and I expect the service I pay for.

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      Putting that explicitly in the delivery instructions might help them have a better idea what they’re getting into and what to expect

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        I am paying a to-my-door delivery service to deliver things, to my door. I shouldn’t have to specify that I expect people to do the entire job and not just the easy part of it. If they don’t want to do the entire job, that too is a conversation for them to have with the company, not me.

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          I get the impression they can look at and choose whether or not to take a delivery before accepting it. If you have in there that you absolutely need it delivered to your door, you’re a lot more likely to get someone who knows and is ok with that. That should lead to more no questions asked deliveries for you at basically no cost. Rage against what should and should not be all you want, but it’s not going to change your experience if you don’t do anything different.

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            depending on the changes since i stopped delivering for the apps, no we cant see the special instructions before we decide to take the trip. One app would only tell you where you are picking up, and how much you would make (including tip) for that trip. Thats all, and based off that we choose to pick up the trip or not. Now most apps will punish you if you refuse too many trips, and they doll out the gravy trips to those who have a high % acceptance rate, so refuse too many and you will only get shit trips. I believe the other app would tell me what area its going, but again, zero special instructions. Most of the apps I have used as well, dump the instructions at the bottom of the order, so we scroll through a page or 3, and its at the bottom. I myself got into the habit of checking every time.

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          You’re correct. But you should focus on the outcome you want rather than the philosophy.

          Putting text in the delivery instructions saying, I have a medical issue I cannot leave my apartment, please deliver to my door. If you cannot please cancel the order. Would get people to go out of their way to deliver to you.

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            I get what you’re saying, but I think the whole idea that if you actually want your point-to-point delivery, which is the service you paid for, you’re making the driver “go out of their way” is the whole weird debate people in the thread are having. Like, the service is the service, or at least it should be, if it’s making doordash “go out of their way” to dash ya know, to my door…well that’s not the expectation these companies set with their customers I guess is all I have to say there.

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          I suspect prices will go up if every able bodied person does this. If you instruct you are not mobile then they can accommodate I am sure but for efficiency it would make sense if those that are able do a bit to make it easy will allow for prices to stay less pressured to increase.

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    I’ve given up on food delivery. With the all the fees and tips and shit to wait who the hell knows how long for food to show up colder than a penguin fart.

    It’s just not worth it to me anymore. Why would I want to pay for that experience? I can make less disappointing food quicker for less money.

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      You can always pick food that is not supposed to be hot such as poke bowl or sushi! I usually have a good experience with indian food as well.

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    I really hope app-based 3rd party food delivery just dies soon. The incentives are so fucked up and at cross purposes between the customers, companies, restaurants, and drivers. Like literally no one is getting a good deal out of it except the app itself. Support places that actually want to deliver enough to have their own drivers, and you’ll almost always have a smoother, faster, and more professional experience.

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      Between feeling like the corps are just using the delivery drivers and the fact that the service, locally, adds minimal value for the $ spent…

      I don’t use them. I really don’t think I’m alone in this. The feels are just consistently ick every which way.

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        That sentiment is ableist as fuck.

        You can revel in your superiority when you’re tracking individual animals on your 3 day long persistence hunting trips and foraging your own berries. Agriculture and technology are entirely unnecessary, for prime specimens of humans like you.

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    I gave up on the food delivery because of the ludicrous fees and whatnot but also because of how inconsistent it is since you literally have no idea who’s delivering your food. Sometimes they take forever and your food is ice cold. Also, I wasn’t particularly fond of people sending their little 8-year-old kid up to my door with my food. I’ll just eat what I have in the house, go out and get food myself or just not eat but I refuse to play that game again.

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    I deliver for Domino’s. I’m not a fan of climbing three flights of stairs with the equivalent of a grocery cart of food in my arms for a two dollar tip. But you know what, we all suck it up and do our job. Only time I called to have them meet me downstairs was the time I fucked up my leg.

    Oh, and 100% agree that apartments are laid out like shit. Thankfully, most of the apartments here in my city will give us a map of the complex.

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      That’s pretty much how it was when I delivered with Dominos too. It was a cold day in hell before we’d tell someone to have to come out and meet us. We even still had to do 100% in person, face to face deliveries.

      There was a couple occasions where I had to call the customer due to being lost in an apartment complex, but most are fairly understanding about that.

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      Curious how that customer reacted. Hopefully well.

      I used to get Domino’s delivered to me years back. Often in the winter with snow on the ground and it is near zero. I always put my porch light on and waited near the door. The app showed me they were close, so why wouldn’t I? I can’t believe how many drivers thanked me for just doing these things. Many told me they’d often wait 5 minutes after knocking or ringing the doorbell. Like WTF? You know your order is coming.

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        Like WTF? You know your order is coming.

        Angey Driver noises

        You have no fucking clue how much I hated these people. And then when they finally do come to the door, they don’t tip and say “hey thanks man I really appreciate you coming out here” NO you DON’T or else you’d TIP! Fuck!

        I need a smoke lmao.

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      Worked for Dominos too. There were a few places where it was dangerous to get out of the car, so the customer knew they had to come to the car.

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    I delivered food many many man…you get the idea, years ago, long before the delivery apps, and even before the interwebs. The short answer is: No, we/they are not supposed to do that.

    I cannot be sure, as I quit because of asshats who cheat the system and screw over the customer. I understand why they do it, we stopped making money once the apps came into existence. Back in the day, I made $300+ after expenses on Valentine’s Day, and now it be a good night if I made $100 before expenses. However the jerks will run multiple phones, accounts, and apps, at once. So they will pick up your order, head to McD’s to wait for the order to be ready. Stop to deliver it, and if there is another pickup on the way to your house, guess what, they are stopping. They call you because it can/will/might save them a minute or two, added up over the night, that could amount to a couple extra deliveries.

    Again, I’m only assuming by what I’ve seen on the other side of the app and the asshat drivers who have taken over, and I do NOT condone that practice at all.

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    Are humans performing labor allowed to ask a question? Yes. Especially when they are performing dangerous work, which it legitimately is where I am. I have no desire to fuck with low earning people in dangerous jobs, so I wait outside for them when I see they’re pretty close on the GPS.

    When I had covid I put “have covid, knock and leave at apartment door” as the delivery note. It worked pretty flawlessly. My normal delivery message is “will meet you out front, do not call unless necessary”, which works about 90% of the time.

    The delivery people who actually piss me off are the ones who call/text “I’ve arrived” when I’m waiting outside and I can see they’re still 3 blocks away on the GPS. Don’t lie to me, even though i understand you’re trying to reduce your wait time, and some people make them wait for 15+ mins.

    The other ones who piss me off are the ones who take a 30min detour with my food because they’re juggling apps and two different services have told them to go in opposite directions. Special shout out to the dude who literally rode past me while I was waiting for him outside, so that he could pick up an order for a different app instead of giving me my order. Thanks for chilling half my hot food too with what I assume was a cold drinks order, asshole.

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      so I wait outside for them when I see they’re pretty close on the GPS

      You are the kind of person who made my life easier when I was a driver, so on behalf of the good drivers out there, thank you for that. I dont understand how the drivers today are getting away with half what they do, unless told otherwise, I always go right to the front door.

      30min detour with my food because they’re juggling apps

      This is against the TOS for the drivers, while on one app, you cannot run another. zero enforcement tho, the apps make more money that way, the customer is the least of their worries.

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    They’re allowed to ask and you’re allowed to say no.

    That said, if there is a door that you need to unlock for them, you better open it for them or let them drop it off at the door.

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    I’ve had them do that when it’s pouring rain outside. Like yeah, I get it, one of us is going to need to get wet, but considering I’m the one paying you, you should be the one getting wet.

    It’s also impossible to get them to ring the fucking doorbell. I’ve had drivers leave my food on the porch when it’s 10 degrees F outside and just walk off. What in the actual fuck? My instructions said “please ring doorbell”, it would take half a second to ring the fucking thing, and I tipped 25 freaking percent, plus a bunch of fees, expecting a basic level of service. The doorbell thing has led to me just not using Door dash. Idk what’s up with their drivers, but if a button isn’t on their phone, they refuse to push it. I think a lot of these problems stem from tipping them before service is actually rendered. What the fuck do they care? They’ve already been paid.

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    Was a friend’s house recently when they ordered a case of beer.

    It showed up 3 hours later. Delivery guy said “Sorry it took so long, I had to go home to charge my phone”

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    I can’t say I’m a frequent user of delivery services. I see Uber Eats at least has an option to say beforehand if you agree meeting at the door, driveway or whatever and sometimes I, I choose to make things easier for the driver…

    But having to haggle on the phone sounds ridiculous. There’s a thousand reasons you may not be able to walk out of your apartment ffs.

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    I refuse to answer phone calls from delivery drivers. They either deliver it, or they don’t. For the drivers that just use the phone call to alert you that it’s been delivered great. I don’t need to answer that call. For the drivers who want to negotiate at my front door for whatever reason, I don’t need to talk to them either.

    I should add there’s a table at my front door for deliveries to be left at. There is no human interaction required for a delivery. Though happily all the local drivers here just take a photo of whatever it is on the table, 10% of the time they’ll make a phone call (one ring - they don’t want to talk either) to let you know it’s been delivered.

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      Complain that they asked a question? Do you usually do that? I only ask because I save complaints for deliberately shitty service.

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        I think it’s more the nature of the question being “hey is it cool if I don’t complete the delivery as written and just save myself some minutes by doing curbside when we promised door-to-door?” That’s what I’d have to guess is annoying to people.