• TheNamlessGuy@lemmy.world
    216·
    3 days ago

    Why would you post this without context? IIRC this was in response to someone complaining that Goblin Slayer was about slaying goblins, and no other monsters

    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
      127·
      2 days ago

      I mean… That guy does kinda have a point. Demon Slayers slay more than demons. Speed Racer does more than race (and I never once saw him doing speed). Sailor Moon isn’t just the one titular character. 🤷‍♂️

      • Soulg@ani.socialEnglish
        122·
        2 days ago

        I hope you learn to enjoy fiction and stop being so miserable for your own sake

        • AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world
          115·
          2 days ago

          Idk doesn’t sound very miserable, just sounds like you got angry because they don’t like Goblin Slayer.

          So, I guess… I hope you learn to enjoy reality and stop being so miserable for your own sake.

      • stray@pawb.socialEnglish
        18·
        3 days ago

        I’m not making an argument, but I’m curious whether you feel the same way about demons in Frieren.

        • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
          1421·
          3 days ago

          I do.

          Frieren seems so chill and passive, except when it comes to demons and then it’s like “NO THEIR KIND CANNOT BE TRUSTED”, and everyone’s like “will you chill? it’s just a kid” and she’s like “THE CHILD MUST DIE”

          See my stackexchange post asking for clarification on this:

          https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/68783/on-what-basis-does-frieren-sousou-no-frieren-reject-the-rights-of-demons-to-ex

          Apparently the answer is “all is explained in the manga, how dare you ask this question”

          • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
            4·
            1 day ago

            Frieren actually is exploring something here. The demons actually aren’t human, and the show sets her up as appearing intolerant to show that no, these actually just aren’t people

            The demons are just demons. They just want to eat people. They’re intelligent, but entirely alien

            They’re the old school pure evil anime demons, but in a time where demons in anime have become relatable

            • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
              1·
              1 day ago

              It just feels like a waste kind of to kill them though. Humanity learned so much by reverse-engineering, and then later refining their magic. To kill them before understanding everything they have to offer, feels… limiting somehow

              • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
                2·
                1 day ago

                Don’t you see?? That’s greed. Why do you need their magic? Only to fight them and each other better!

                There’s nothing to be gained by keeping them around, they are just predators of sapient people. Their magic is made to dominate and kill

                Frieren has the raw strength to dominate and kill, but she doesn’t value that kind of magic despite her skill in it. She wants to create fields of flowers, she seeks beauty instead of violence. Her violence isn’t about genocide, it’s about protecting what she values

          • degen@midwest.socialEnglish
            3·
            1 day ago

            You’re getting a lot of shit, but I get you. When the demons were introduced, I had a moment of “ayo what if Frieren is the baddie the whole time and demons are misunderstood”. The only thing is it quickly solidifies that the demons are just evil, even though I don’t necessarily like that one-dimensional narrative of good and evil.

            It probably doesn’t help that I finished Attack on Titan just before so I already had elusive, internalized fascism on my mind. I think that’s sort of the point with Frieren though. She’s supposed to be capital G Good, which is inexplicably brutal toward evil, and that’s where the dimensionality comes in.

            • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
              1·
              1 day ago

              I still can’t get where AoT lies on the fascism spectrum

              spoiler

              On the one hand you’ve got these group of powerful people who were almost genocided, and then on the other you’ve get them genociding the rest of the world back as an ultimate survival strategy.

              But Eren’s final form doesn’t exactly have the audience rooting for him, even when his motivations are explained. I expected another season where the whole world would unite to take him down, but that did not seem to happen…

              So I just can’t figure AoT out. Was the whole thing a commentary on fascism itself, or was it literally a revenge/survival plot?

              • degen@midwest.socialEnglish
                2·
                8 hours ago

                I heard (not sure how true it is) that the manga creator is politically far-right. That’s actually hilarious to me, and it might be the reason the message seems odd. The whole anime is like an essay on how shitty fascism is for the fascists, but then it takes a left turn while lying on its side, if you will.

          • F/15/Cali@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
            16·
            2 days ago

            Couple of things here, demons aren’t an organic species in frieren, they’re crafted directly from magic itself to kill people. They’re 40k orcs, but slower to breed. They’re human shaped because of Darwinian mechanisms that allowed them to live longer in the shape of humans. Each any every one of them is a sociopath masking it with a malevolently high iq, with psychology of an inherently foreign base.

            They’re allowed to exist freely, they choose war at every turn as their base. In fact, their king seeks coexistence and understanding, but does so by genociding humanity for a literal millennium in order to build a psychological basis for humankind’s behavior. Some demon leaders suggested that humanity would be completely wiped out long before their king might finally bridge the gap.

            Attempts at coexistence continue to occur, but all turned out to be subterfuge, with the ends being genocide. There’s a vague suggestion that this is a time travel based Douglas Adams-esque god crafted world-computer created to quantize human psychology, but that is also monstrous. Anyway, read the comic if you want to understand.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
              21·
              2 days ago

              Maybe the themes of a piece of media should be judged by our standards in our world instead of going by the built in justifications of its author

              • F/15/Cali@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
                21·
                1 day ago

                “John Carpenter’s The Thing plays with the premise that rapidly changing attitudes and malleable thinking will get you killed.”

                Sometimes an inherently destructive force is just an inherently destructive force. You can choose to discard the premise of a story to suit a narrative of persecution, or you can read a story that is actually about persecution.

          • Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de
            12·
            2 days ago

            Did you read the top reply? It doesn’t even mention the manga and explains exactly, what I would have thought was the answer to your question. Maybe the manga goes more into detail (later?), but the main parts are there:

            1. Demons are an inherently evil species.
            2. They are intelligent and I don’t think their intelligence mimics humans, they just sometimes mimic humans to survive (like talking about their mother, which they don’t have)
            3. They always kill eventually and it was their goal from the get-go.

            Do I find this trope boring? A bit.
            Does it fit the show? I think so. Is it wrong to have such a species in a show? No.

            It’s fantasy and most races can work together. Having an irredeemably evil race as enemy just makes it easier to ignore ethical questions in fights (for me and a lot of other people).
            Because if the show tells us, that they are indeed always and irredeemably evil, then we can ignore all those questions and just enjoy the fight. (Jajaja, that’s what the Nazis did still do, I know!)

            • Feyd@programming.dev
              7·
              2 days ago

              I wouldn’t say they’re evil. It’s basically like thinking you can be friends with a tiger. They’re on a completely alien ethical framework to humans. Killing humans is the natural thing to do, so of course they do it.

          • Feyd@programming.dev
            201·
            3 days ago

            Wow the only thing true in this post is that you asked a question on stack exchange

            • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
              42·
              3 days ago

              I guess I was trying to be funny, but came across as deranged(?)

              Apologies to anyone I offended

              • TheYojimbo@lemmy.world
                12·
                3 days ago

                It’s not that you came across as deranged, it’s more that you seem to be of bad faith. People on stackexchange have answered to you calmly, seriously and respectfully, but your take from it was “how dare you” and “read the manga”, which is pretty dishonest imo.

                • Feyd@programming.dev
                  4·
                  3 days ago

                  They also act like the show doesn’t explore the dynamic at all, and that somehow it’s not legitimate to say the manga has answers the show doesn’t have when the manga is several arcs ahead of the anime. This person just wants to accuse people of being Nazis.

                • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  That last part was more of a joke. I hope people can look at my other answers (in that exchange and here) and see me as rational. 'Tis Christmas afterall

          • remon@ani.social
            13·
            3 days ago

            Apparently the answer is “all is explained in the manga, how dare you ask this question”

            Definitely not, the show is pretty much a 1:1 adaptation of the manga.

            • Feyd@programming.dev
              4·
              3 days ago

              That also wasn’t the answer they received on stack exchange. The anime is also still being adapted, and the manga isn’t even finished.

          • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
            79·
            3 days ago

            Downvoted for being right, the fact that more people aren’t suspicious of an anime with a bunch of german names and aesthetics that also just happens to feature a race of non-people who are incurably evil and can never be trusted is baffling to me

            • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
              9·
              3 days ago

              I’d say that the German aesthetic prevails in anime largely because it’s got those idealistic ruralist one-with-nature mountain vibes, rather than the love for fascism.

              Southern Germany especially is a beautiful idealistic landscape (warst du schonmal in…), though nowadays you’d see the “old europe” more in places like Bosnia than in Germany, but Bosnian culture is less accessible

              Frieren’s fascism seems to be largely a personal thing specific to her, rather than something that all the other characters exhibit. I’m hoping there’s an arc that proves her wrong in her beliefs about demons

              • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
                72·
                3 days ago

                Germany is beautiful, sure, so are most countries, you can find similar rural beauty in Africa, the fact that the country that Japan was allied with for WW2 is the go-to for this isn’t a coincidence. I’d love to see an arc that alleviates my suspicions, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

                • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
                  4·
                  3 days ago

                  I’d rather believe they chose Germany because it’s dead center of europe with mashups of all kinds of influences from surrounding regions, densely populated like Japan is, and has wild ancient forests along with long-standing organized institutions (scientific academies, churches, military) that jells with the conservative Japanese obsession for order, custom, and Nature.

                  (…But, yeah - it could just be axis-love)

              • stray@pawb.socialEnglish
                2·
                3 days ago

                I’m hoping there’s an arc that proves her wrong in her beliefs about demons

                I’m told there is not.

  • AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    393·
    3 days ago

    Fake: one can is surely not a bit too many beans

    Gay: My gay friends eat beans. Anon eats beans. Ergo, anon is gay. QED.

    Edit: My roommate, who is pansexual, says I should have said anon is pan “because you can put beans in a pan” …I think we might both just be very sleep deprived because, rereading this, I’m not sure either joke is actually funny at all but we’re cracking up lol

    • cub Gucci@lemmy.today
      1·
      1 day ago

      You come to c/Greentext. You receive a green text. You don’t get the joke. You come to comments in order to complain

    • Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      20·
      3 days ago

      According to another comment this was in response to someone complaining that Goblin Slayer only has Goblins and no other monsters.

      So Anon “Bought a Can of Beans” by watching an anime about a guy called the Goblin Slayer, and is mad that there “Wasn’t any salad in the Can of Beans,” because all he does is… Slay Goblins.