You’ve made an excellent point, just not the one you think

There was a time when the NRA fought for a two-day waiting period on handgun sales and limits on concealed weapons permits. And a time when then–California Governor Ronald Reagan signed legislation forbidding the carrying of loaded firearms in public. Before gun control became a progressive cause, it was a right-wing staple, and it was aimed squarely at the rights of African-Americans nationwide.

In Florida, white “citizens patrols” were permitted to search the homes of free African-Americans for guns “and other offensive or improper weapons, and may lawfully seize and take away such arms, weapons, and ammunition.” The message was clear: guns — like the ballot box, marriage, and the right to free assembly — were for white Americans only.

That conflict — between the fears of racist whites and the needs of African-Americans to defend themselves — arose again in the late 1960s. The leaders of the Civil Rights Movement recognized that the need for self-defense still existed — in fact, Martin Luther King Jr. applied for (and was denied) a concealed carry permit. Recounting his memories of “Freedom Summer” and the Civil Rights Movement, Charles E. Cobb Jr., former field secretary of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, said, “I know from personal experience and the experiences of others, that guns kept people alive, kept communities safe, and all you have to do to understand this is simply think of black people as human beings and they’re gonna respond to terrorism the way anybody else would.”

On May 2, 1967, a group of Black Panthers took to the steps of the California Legislature carrying revolvers, shotguns, and pistols and read a statement saying, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late.” In a direct response to the incident, Governor Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act, banning the open carry of loaded weapons, barely two months later. Guns were “a ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will,” he said.

As former NRA president Harlon Carter said in 1975, the use of guns by violent criminals or the mentally ill was simply the “price we pay for freedom.” In 1980, the NRA endorsed Ronald Reagan — 13 years after Reagan had signed the first open-carry ban in the country.

White people may be more likely to carry a gun, but black people are more likely to be jailed for it.

Exactly. And they keep sowing this myth that the guns will be taken away at any point in time, but “you should keep them in case we become tyrannical!” And the definition of what is and isn’t tyranny is always subject to change, but usually if it’s tyranny against people the base doesn’t like, then it’s not tyranny.

Find? More like manufacture.

You need to be upvoted to the skies

Republicans were so lucky to find the gun issue

The best part is that Dems could take it away from them at any time by just deciding not to fight them on that one with little lost in the process.

Well technically, Czech Republic had a constitutional amendment regarding gun rights passed in 2021.

It is definitely the person who pulled the trigger’s fault, but I don’t understand why we would want minors whose brains haven’t fully developed to have point-and-kill weapons.

You point out how awful these kids are, and then post in support of making it easier for them to kill. That’s strange to me.

Although I guess it makes sense, because you also seem to imply that deaths aren’t more likely to occur if guns are involved. I just can’t agree with you there.

Again, this shit only happens in the US. Guns are a big part of the problem. Don’t be fucking dense.

Would you be this riled up if you read the same story but it was about a stabbing?

How to protect yourself from a knife attack: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAYyZoVy5o

(Note how this doesn’t work if they have a gun)

Oh?

You’re sure (guarantee) that this would have been a stabbing? What makes you such an expert?

in multiple separate comments you have demonstrated a total inability to think beyond half a layer of depth. you are out of your element and have a great deal to learn. I truly hope that one day you do.

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So we’re just going to keep repeating this exact conversation every single time this happens. Because other countries don’t have systems, or people with fingers.

“i think i’ll be a mouthpiece today, that’s all i’m good for”

“There is no way to prevent this from happening” says only country in which this regularly happens.

…and preventable. Emotional teenagers should not have access to firearms!

he’s going to kill his uncle when he’s like 12

America is pretty big, and that isn’t something that happens where I live (Seattle)

But there are parts of this country where a surprisingly large percentage of people are completely fucking insane and peacock with weapons in reckless ways. It also isn’t unusual for children to have guns, even if it isn’t legal.

There’s a high school in rural Colorado that has given up on doing anything about guns in their high school because something like 30% of students are armed on any given day.

I grew up in Tennessee, and students were allowed to store guns in their cars parked in the high school parking lot.

I have met many people who open-carry and then openly emphasize it to others because they want to be intimidating. It’s a part of their identity, and they will let you know in inappropriate ways.

This country is weird. I’m happy to live in a less violent part of it.

I’ve never seen someone flash a gun in my almost 30 years in the US.

That does seem to be what he is lying about, yes.

I think it is generally unlikely but am also sure that there are places where this is part of the culture.

In Florida you’re allowed to use lethal force if you justifiably believe that your safety is threatened. When lockdown first started, there was a video of a dude having a meltdown at a Costco because he had to wear a mask. The person at the door was a woman of 65-70 and the man child pumped up his chest and yelled “I feel threatened” at her, which I learned in Florida for threatening to murder someone over an inconvenience.

There are 2 brothers and 1 sister, who has her own child.

14 year old brother shoots 23 year old sister.

15 year old brother shoots 14 year old brother in retaliation.

Writing isn’t difficult, but most journalists suck donkey shit at what they do.

I got a little lazy with the copy/paste. The first item of the series isn’t in the quote.

I like present-less holidays. Better to focus on just being with people I find.

presence > presents

For me it’s all about consumables and experience. You like sauerkraut? I just made you a jar. You like classical music? Here are two tickets to the symphony. I just avoid stuff unless it’s like plates for someone who moved into their first apartment.

Americans live in a state of constant stress that is satiated by material possessions and trying to impress or be better than others. These kids were just trying to get their dose of imbalanced brain chemicals

It’s mostly people running a mental ledger then comparing the value of presents to how much they do in the relationship as a journal for the shortfall in gift value.

Often siblings resenting one another for perceived (or even sometimes objectively clear) favouritism.

Can’t speak for Moldova or Austria, but I would not call Switzerland’s gun laws liberal.

They are VERY strict. Gun ownership rates are high, but there are tons of restrictions and licensing requirements on ownership and sale of guns there. The country is proof that having a strong regulatory structure does not necessarily prevent gun ownership and should absolutely be considered a model for where the US regulator environment should be moving (universal registration including 2nd hand sales, full license checks for all purchases including ammo, effective bans on large categories of weapons, mandatory training, and the like).

People who love “gun rights” always cite Switzerland without even doing the most basic Wikipedia-level research on it.

and Austria have very liberal gun laws, again possibly more so than in USA,

Austria has relatively relaxed gun laws for Europe. but it’s still fairly strict compared to the USA.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t those places where you’re required to take some kind of classes to be able to qualify to own a gun? Isn’t it also pretty easy for anyone from the police to be able to take them from you within reason if they find you to be violating some laws?

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