Atlanta-area prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia are in possession of text messages and emails directly connecting members of Donald Trump’s legal team to the early January 2021 voting system breach in Coffee County, sources tell CNN.
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Just adding that no one is obligated to continue to be a republican, loyalty to a political party is a recipe for totalitarianism.
It’s so fucking strange too. It’s like they brought this new TV and they’ll be damned if they’re going to be told it doesn’t work as well as advertised. I would think we could all unite about this, and we could show the world that not even the president can evade justice. But instead they’re still selling him hard.
Republicans: {smacks Donald’s ass} “This baby here can fuck up at least 10 democracies.”
A big part of many Republicans’ mindsets seem to be “how dare you tell me I’m wrong! Just for that, I’m going to double down!” Like I’ve seen it in things as petty as Republicans being told they’re using a comma the wrong way and then continuing to use it that way out of spite.
Oppositional Defiance Disorder
Basically, it’s too embarrassing for them to admit that they’ve been played/conned.
Bit of an aside, but one the smartest things I’ve ever done was after my dad brought his new TV and had just hooked it up, I quickly used the parental controls to delete Fox News from the channel lineup while he was looking away. He never even noticed, and he’s in a much better mental state now.
Wow. Was he like “Where’s Fox?” or anything?
Nope, not to me at least
Ever hear of the documentary “The Brainwashing Of My Dad”
It details how a sweet man became a monster when he started watching Fox, and went back to normal when the family intervened and stopped him from watching it.
It’s a recurring thing, people become terrible when they watch Fox, they snap out of it when access to Fox is blocked.
Yes actually! I 100% totally understand that movie, and saw it happen repeatedly with many family members
People treat political parties like sports teams, taking credit for all their victories while distancing themselves personally from every loss. WE won vs THEY blew it. I my anecdotal experience it’s especially bad on the right. Most conservative voters I know proudly say they’re a Republican but liberal voters will only say they vote Democrat, not that they are one.
The two party system was a mistake
*One party system with 2 right wing factions
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That oft repeated claim of parallelism between the US Democrats and the CPC might have been more true in the past. I think there are significant differences nowadays as Poilievre plays with populist rhetoric and policy ideas. Considering the voting base the CPC is attempting to court, I’m not sure those two political parties are really in the same boat.
The outcome of FPTP-voting is naturally a two party system, the ancient wealthy romans designed it so deliberately in order for them to easily manipulate regardless of election outcomes to maintain their wealth and power. Everywhere it is used politics degenerate into voters being reduced to pick between “business as usual” and “tax cuts for the rich.” Wealthy donors play both horses and don’t really care about the outcome except when some progressive candidate appears and they find themselves forced to run some interference behind the scenes to help even the odds back to the usual bread and circus’ that they prefer.
Not a mistake, a deliberate action.
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Let’s not forget when eight Senators spend the 4th of July in Moscow.
Don’t forget Cambridge Analytica. Social Media with the help of Ai will help them to guide us and we’ll be more productive for them.
100%. Fuck the Republican traitor filth.
America needs a new conservative party so that the republicans who are still sane don’t feel like crazy town is their only option to avoid being disenfranchised.
You have a new Conservative party, it’s called the Dems, what you need is a new progressive party to catch up with the rest of the developed world.
Jezus America are you ok? So about half your country are traitors as far as the other half is concerned? I’m not condemning or anything but fighting amongst yourselves like this is not going to work either.
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Lol because the first thing that comes to mind when people hear “USA” is “healthy”
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You guys are 31 trillion in debt. You aren’t rich, you’re just borrow money you can’t pay back and keep increasing your debt limit.
It’s nice spending money that’s not yours until the lenders get fed up about the lack of payments and you default and go into bankruptcy. I cannot wait until the US debt situation explodes, watching from half way around the world.
And yes I’m aware pretty much every nation is in debt, but not to the extent the US is. But the US is by far the most in the hole.
I don’t know why Americans think they’re hot shit. You’re literally just an echo chamber the rest of the world laughs at.
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The worst part is the US is in so much debt but it’s citizens see none of the benefits of that spent money.
I think your downvotes are from fucking liberals that think the US has regained international respect because their team is now in charge. MAGA or BlueMAGA are cut from the same cloth as Republicans and Democrats.
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yes he will be first against the wall, mainly because he spoke out about them, the self purging doesn’t start until after the fascist takeover.
and yes an.6 was an attempt to depose the democratically elected government, and yes it had planning, why do you think they had the gallows put up so fast? why do you think the people who broke in were armed and had cable ties? you know, the ones literally caught on video
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Sticks and stones, you can call me a horse as well and it doesn’t mean I whinny.
Sincerely, a card carrying Republican
You choosing to continue to support that political party after all of this nonsense shows a lack of moral fibre.
Whinnying would probably contribute more to the conversation though.
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There hasn’t been a sincere Republican since McCain died, you’re a fascist.
You mean the same McCain that was in Ukraine with Victoria Nuland setting the stage for war?
After Crimea was invaded by Russia? Later when he was trying to convince everyone Russia was going to do exactly what they did last year? “setting the stage for war” is something you do before a war.
2014 came before 2022, so yes, setting the stage for the proxy war currently going on.
Shush. Adults are talking.
You all whinny all the time, the fuck are you talking about?
They are so mad they cheated and still lost. This country is going to take so long to heal after this. It really makes me sad.
its amazing how much back and forth happens the richer you are in the legal system. one woman accidentally voted twice, straight to jail.
donald trump indicted 3 times, and god knows how many other terrible things . days in jail : 0
2 sets of laws. which one do you think you fall under?
She didn’t even accidentally vote twice, she was sentenced to 8 years for the crime of completing a provisional ballot while the state figured out if she was eligible to vote or not.
Which is what she specifically asked about and was told to do by the voting officials.
Is Trump rich though?
If he wasn’t before he was elected, he certainly is now. He put personal profit ahead of absolutely everything while he was President. The grift is strong with this one.
Are we asking him or the IRS?
We haven’t healed from the fucking Civil War. Why would we heal from anything more recent?
Feels bad man
Can we heal though?
The only way the US heals is by splitting up in multiple countries.
The only way the US heals is by splitting up
inmultiple countries.FTFY
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I feel like you have a poor understanding of a lot that you talk about. So let’s just focus on the current politics and if America can heal.
This issue isn’t a east coast vs west coast thing. This is a rural vs urban issue. That’s reflected in voting in major cities vs rural areas of the same states. For that America isn’t the only place suffering from this issue. It’s why you can see fascism in general on the rise in a lot of countries. The same reason it has always worked, really. It makes life easier to blame someone/anyone else for issues. Which is the lifeblood of fascism.
It’s not that young people are leaving rural areas because they feel like there’s limited opportunity, but it’s the liberals corrupting them. It’s not that their industry is dying, but people in the cities are attacking them. It’s not that pay is poor and the work is hard so people will look for other jobs, it’s migrants/lazy workers/greedy people wanting more.
Fascism is able to latch onto these and say we’ll punish the X so that your issues go away, and once they’re gone life will be perfect. Oh X wasn’t the issue, well it’s really Y, and so on. All that’s ever needed is the correct person to stand up saying elect me and I’ll punish the X,Y,Z and it’ll make us better again, but always tends to ignore/help the real issue.
We need to increase opportunities in the rural areas, there will still be push back but it’ll help the pain of people leaving and industries dying. Need to raise working standards so immigrants aren’t abused, but also may attract other people. That way it can’t be so easy to blame them. And need to fix where wealth is leaving well nearly everyone. A poor town stays poor if most of the goods and services are imported and the people providing them don’t reinvest into the area.
All of that is still a simplification, but as I said these issues aren’t local to the US. It’s just consuming mostly US news it’s easy to miss other countries struggling with the same issues.
The actual ‘rural’ population of the us represents 18% of the population. So the theory that ‘rural vs urban’ is the defining demographic of the political division in this country has a math problem.
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So if you acknowledge that it’s a rural versus urban issue and not a geographic East versus West issue then how does splitting the country up into two or three other countries help?
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This might be because you are not clearly conveying what you mean. You brought up east vs west and north vs south but didn’t really say in what they don’t understand each other. You should consider taking the hostility down a notch.
Do you even own a compass?
I mean, I don’t disagree with your sentiment but Ive some pretty big reservations. Everywhere in your essay you say America you can sub in NATO, Japan and the rest of the Five Eyes. We’re all implicit. It’s been a coalition of the willing. There’s guilt all around.
That said;
For some, Pax Americana has been a blessing. For most, actually. Billions out of poverty, the most peaceful time to have ever existed, still, today, even with anachronistic territorial war, and crimes of desperation increasing. As of now, 8/23, 86% of the world owns a smart phone. That’s 6.9 billion people.
Thats a long way. I never thought I’d see the day, honestly, where the whole world is online. I just might yet…!
But we’ve blazed quite the path, thru our atmosphere into space and just our atmosphere in general, and we’ll be dealing with that for generations to come.
And as unfortunate as it is, that’s how society has always been built. Recklessly. We strive for better as a species, I consider this a feature not a flaw, but then it makes a mess cuz we don’t know what we dont know, then some of us go big brain, figure it out, fix it or we adapt. It’s endemic. Cultural heros journey.
But yo, if America splits, there will never be peace on the North America continent ever again. America is OP because we span the distance and bridges the gap. We got a dozen deep water ports where other, major, players maybe have one. Other countries have riverS. We essentially got like, One. But it’s navigable, stretches DEEEEEEEP into almost the entire interior. And we’re resource independent.
The idiots who think we’d be better off breaking up deserve their genetics removed from the gene pool so the collective IQ isn’t drug further down by their idiocy. We’re like a giant Madagascar, who folds that hand?
At the same time, id mourn none if it fell. I think we need to federate regionally, and reduce the current fed government down to a combined armed forces and a round table or presidents, not a single one. Fucking Cascadia Unite (Canadas barely holding their shit together too, BC would totally be down).
Shit id get behind giving the cosplaytriots, err, I mean, fascists, err, I mean republi…no, fascists is more accurate. (Republicans know as much about Republicanism as they know about their bible, which is jack.fucking.shit) the south too, no need to secede! Name it Kekistan, forcibly send them all there, and let them build their wall. Fucking we should volunteer to pay for it for them, just to make sure it’s more DMZ and less Y’all Quida Convoy tail gating and shooting at sharpie hurricanes.
Wall off their Internet too, like the Mormons in heaven.
But in reality, the problems you speak of, and our inability to address them aren’t due to culture, it’s due to capitalism. Every capitalist country is teetering on the brink right now, because with nothing to keep it humble (like comparing itself to the Soviet Union) capitalism went from a more mixed economy to neoliberalism, which is the rich, generally under the legal catfish called a corporation, cannabalizing any and all value from the world.
Rage is justified. Both sides are in agreement that the upper crust needs to be cut off. Ain’t no war but the class war. #eattherich
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The US is already 50 countries. The states have an incredible amount of power over their citizens. They’ve always been a confederation. States engage in trade wars with each other. California, for example, has used its massive economy to influence interstate trade and declare de facto federal laws on several occasions. We have expiration dates because of New Jersey. Some counties entire economy relies on sales to people from neighboring states where certain goods are banned. Texas, infamously, has its own electrical grid and throws a tantrum about seceding every few decades. Utah is one pair of magic underwear away from being a theocracy.
The states have factions and inter state pacts. The thing you’re missing is that constantly fighting with each other is what keeps them together. The US was never and will likely never be a homogeneous culture, and the people who founded it knew that, and encoded laws in such a way as to use that conflict as a source of opposing-force balance.
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Everything you said was sophomoric garbage masquerading as informed thought. I gave it far more attention than it was worth, and I’ve given you far greater time than you deserve.
Keep digging and guaranteed to find the Russians as well.
The most terrifying thing of all is how almost accepted all this is. None of it is particularly shocking. Hard core Republicans will even justify it, possibly even flaunt it. This is how far down the rabbit hole we’ve allowed things to get.
Yeah for sure. I have no idea how to fix the republican side either, which is even more disappointing
Maybe this is why its taking so long. Shes gonna file indictment proceedings against them all?
And this will be state charges.
No presidential pardons for you.
Oh wait.
What if Lyndsay Graham is in there lmao. He called Rathensburger ( I think that’s how you spell it) as well.
Graham is up to his ass in this. 20 years ago I thought he was a bigot, but one who had opinions worth listening to on national security and military affairs.
What a sad little wrinkled balloon he turned out to be. Hope his ass gets indicted too.
If anything, Graham loves things in his ass.
I think he’s Ace actually. He’s just never seemed like a sexual being at all, like he was carved out of fatback at a Daughters of the Confederacy hall.
He’s actually got a codename amongst DC and SC male prostitutes iirc
No presidential pardons for you.
Correct. He will get Republican Governor pardon for this one. Everyone acts like any of these felonies will have consequences. Dudes gonna skate, he needs one dumb red hat in that jury box. One.
Georgia’s governor is a Republican.
Thankfully not a full on trump knob slobber though… Still a piece of shit but thank God for small victories.
Except I didn’t read anything about Trump being directly in communication…
From the linked article…
Last year, a former Trump official testified under oath to the House January 6 select committee that plans to access voting systems in Georgia were discussed in meetings at the White House, including during an Oval Office meeting on December 18, 2020, that included Trump.
That makes him part of the conspiracy.
Not a lawyer, but that doesn’t seem like enough to nail someone like Trump. We need actual messages from him. Hopefully I’m wrong.
We don’t have all the information that they do, but if someone told Congress, under oath, that Trump was involved with this then that is compelling evidence. In case you are unaware, it is a crime to lie to Congress even when you are not under oath.
You’re right. There would have to be additional evidence for them to even bother indicting. And it seems that there most likely is. But what we do know now in and of itself is a substantial amount of evidence. Testimony that rises to the level of Congressional testimony with corroboration would absolutely be enough.
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He was in the room FFS.
I think most people here are under the impression that I’m defending Trump or something. I’m not, and I personally think he should be in jail. What I’m saying is, given the political circumstances, there’s going to need to be something directly from him for this to really matter. Prosecutors and judges are being extremely careful to not look biased. But I hope my scepticism is proven wrong. I’m really still in the “I’ll believe Trump gets convicted when I see it happen” camp. This all still feels like a show to me. Again, I believe he deserves to be in jail, but I don’t think he ever will be. My personal theory is that all these trials are just an attempt to distract him and eat up valuable time and money that he needs to be able to campaign. He ain’t getting convicted though, unfortunately. We all know we have a two-tiered justice system in the US. Any average person would be in a dungeon already for what Trump has done.
'Member how Trump and Roger Stone were instrumental in Bush winning in 2000?
What the FUCK?! I was alive when this happened, remembered all the recounts and buzz about how close it is, and this is still literally the first I’m hearing about it. I didn’t realize just how disconnected from politics my family and circle was. Now I understand the few grumbles I’d hear over the years about how it “should have been gore” I
In the 2000 election in Duval County Florida they threw out over 22,000 votes from the 4 predominately black precincts that trend hard for Dems on the north sdie if Jacksonville. Out of 14 disctricts. A machine discarded these votes and the receipts for count machines were discarded similar to other counties that rushed to discard recorded evidence.
https://www.salon.com/2000/11/13/duval/
The Secretary of State that ultimately certified the faked vote tallies was Katherine Harris, under the Governor, Jeb “Please clap” Bush, brother of Bush Jr. It was a full rat fuck scenario.
How the fuck is it even possible for a political party to steal an election and we all just roll over and take it because the Supreme Court sided with them?
I thought the system was ours to use as we please, not them.
FWIW Bush Jr. was showered with abuse and had eggs thrown at him and he had to abandon the traditional walk to the Capitol at his inauguration, and he was deeply unpopular at the start of his term. Only 911 bailed him out.
But it never should have even gotten that far. The people should have revolted and did the election over again.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s that the revolution will not be televised, because it isn’t coming.
Your best hope is to pray the aliens come and take us away from this place, leave the corpos, let them do with the Earth what they want.
This is not a realistic thing to hope for.
The revolution is whenever people quit doing whatever the tv tells them and start unionizing/growing their network of relations to demand change.
So then it isn’t coming.
I remember demanding revolution as a college kid on Reddit and getting torn out for it. It’s part of why I hate Reddit. And of course I was right, but they didn’t want to listen because they either secretly agreed with the authoritarianism or they only cared about being able to keep going to McDonald’s and 7-11.
Our people have turned out to be so disgusting and disappointing. I honestly wonder if I shouldn’t expatriate.
This world is lost, all that’s left is to hope for the next life to be more than a fantasy.
Unfortunately I’ve heard it all before “The Right is just being given enough rope to hang themselves, these are the death cries of an old system” or “Eh, Donald Trump’s a joke, those really in command already have it set for Hillary” or “People will revolt this time for REALSIES! They’ve just gone too far THIS TIME!” or “We’ll find a way if it comes to that.”
I pray for death, and for death to not be the end, the world is already lost.
Think of it as one party with two major wings inside it.
Neither wing will usually go too hard on the other side because they’re just there for show.
Democrats, as a party, think that way. Republicans absolutely hate Democrats, though, and would light them all with gasoline if they could.
The plebs on both side think like that. The actual eminences gris don’t.
As long as politicians appoint the judges they’ll be in their pocket to maintain their bright careers.
🤔 Maybe all judges should be elected.
I’m not a fan of either of those individuals. I know Stone has claimed to have played a part (he claims a lot of things and frankly I don’t trust a word that comes out of his mouth), but are you saying Trump was tied to the Brooks Brothers riot in 2000? That’s news to me, and I would be interested to read more about that if you could point me in the right direction.
Trump was doing a third party run to pull votes away from the democrats and then he killed that party by calling them nazis (which they clearly weren’t)
Also, this part I’m unsure of, I think he bankrolled Stone at the time?
Point is it was a very wide net of fucking the system.
Trump actually paid someone?
lol
I like how the only incredulous part of this is Trump parting with money.
Classic Republican playbook, start shit and then project it on the enemy to make them look bad
It’s actually an old fascist trick.
It’s really effective too. You always know the horrible things you’re doing before anyone else. So you can always beat the opposition to the accusation.
“You did X!”
“No I didn’t, why would you even think that?”
Months (or years) later when there’s an investigation…
“Hey wait, you actually did X!”
“You’re obviously making it up, everyone knows it’s what you did. People have been talking about you doing it for years!”
If she has a winnable case, the D. is fuuuuuucked.
Only if they also have evidence that the orders for it came from him. Otherwise it is similar to the shit with Michael Cohen: he can claim he expected lawyers to follow the law.
That is what they have to prove. Will have to see.
Nope. He’ll never spend a day in jail. Nothing has seemed to slow him down. He’s been effectively martyred in political history, and the longer he stays relevant, the greater chance he gets in.
Lock him the fuck up. Also, you better believe that republicans are in some pizza shop basement raping and mutilating kids. Every accusation is a confession. 100% of the time.
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I’m shocked! SHOCKED!
Well not that shocked.
Ok now do the Republican Senators that helped the coup like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Boebert etc
Covfefe
Wait… there’s a Coffee County in Georgia?
What if he was planning this since 2017, and their code name for the operation was “covfefe”…
A covert operation involving coffee county, but executed poorly? I think you cracked the case!
Honestly, it was probably supposed to be covffee, but the dumbass not only tweeted it instead of texting, but also misspelled it.
There’s a whole damn Waffle House of counties.
Early, Cook, Crisp, Bacon, and Coffee are all GA counties.
As a now-westerner, the only explanation I can come up with is that it’s a job-creation scheme for crooked sheriffs.
(We got a few of those out here too mind you, seems to go with the job)
Shit for a while you had the pick of the litter out there: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
Georgia has a county for everyone’s asshole too.
Georgia has more counties than any other state*. We’re fuckin’ overflowing with counties 'round here!
(* Edit: except Texas, which I forgot about, but which doesn’t count because having a lot of counties makes sense for a huge state)
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How many charges is “Mr. President” going to get?
What exactly was the breach? There is no detail about what data was accessed or who accessed it in the entire article.
I’m here for it!