The Cold War? Child’s play compared to what lies ahead, according to U.S. historian Robert Kagan. Trump, he says, is leading the world into the most dangerous era since 1945.

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    It is hilarious to me and also annoying that they say there is no resistance. Millions are flooding the streets. Record protests. Hundreds of thousands have made networks of information systems. But yeah sure no resistance. A toy company took the administration to Supreme Court and won but okay yeah no resistance . Women gassed and burned ice warehouses but okkkkk no resistance. Kids punching nazis. No resistance. Ridiculous.

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      KEEP GOING EVERYONE!!! Locally up to internationally we the people have the power to get things done together!! Get more people active from anybody that isn’t yet!!

      Also if you notice anybody going through tons of stress comfort them for a bit, laugh, have fun, and bring up their hope. Get them connected with others in person and online. All of us together are capable of anything

      These countries a lot done from people working together: Syria, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Madagascar

      Others that already were: Japan, South Korea, Norway, Denmark.

      Currently all the People and especially people from these countries need all the assistance they can get: Ukraine, Myanmar, USA, Iran, Nigeria, India (Yes every country just these will have huge impact on everything else)

      P.S. Networks of Information systems? I wanna help out for that what do you recommend I do? Been thinking setting up Matrix and Fluxer communities to help out with getting people mobilizing, collaborating, and doing in-person and online. Online communities focused on getting things done

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      they say there is no resistance

      There’s street resistance, but virtually no political opposition. At every level of government, Democrats are falling over to comply, even as their constituents scream in protest.

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        There’s a somewhat valid excuse that the Dems are minority powers in house, Senate, and supreme court (which is now partisan) and the American system doesn’t grant any political power at all to a minority party against a lock-step majority.

        That said, remember during COVID peaks, when Trump had his BS press conference updates? Andrew Cuomo, himself no saint, also had daily (?) live streams to give important information and quarantine/medical advice. Dem politicians could absolutely be using their voices right now to make a lot of noise - even without mechanical political power.

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          Democrats are not the minority in California or Oregon or Minnesota or New York. Nevertheless, state and municipal leaders have rolled over to ICE, co-mingled local PD resources, and left grisley murders unprosecuted.

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            That’s somewhat true, there has been mixed local/state resistance - I was focusing on nationally. I wonder if there’s some pressure being applied behind the scenes to local Dems, fear of retribution, or if it’s mere fecklessness.

            My conspiracy hat suspicions are that Dem leadership is willingly sacrificing our rights/lives and letting things get worse in the hopes of boosting their midterm election chances. Althe answer to that is progressive sweep in the primaries

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              I wonder if there’s some pressure being applied behind the scenes to local Dems

              Yeah, it’s called the DN fucking C.

              Capitulating to Trump is a party policy

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      So what ?

      Trump and his crew are still going on with their plan.

      Your highest court rules that the taxes are illegal, and orange Don just creates new ones.

      Some crowds walking on the streets and yelling is not any resistance, when the bad guys simply continue.

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      Not to mention voters are flipping red seats to blue in many of the recent congressional and judicial special elections, in districts that Trump originally won too. The bad actors in the comments that represent other countries just want us to shoot each other over it. Even then they would probably look down their nose at it.

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      You’re winning some battles but that doesn’t mean you’re winning the war.

      The efforts you’ve described are admirable and I’m sure has saved lives and the truth, but if the control runs deep, so must the resistance. I think the more we look into the secrets and recognize manipulation, the more enraged we will feel at how normal it was all made to seem.

      It blew my mind when I realized how much of the internet and how much of national media in many countries is propaganda and flawed reporting. Leaving out details is lying imo and it’s often normalized because it’s “PR” or “protection”.

      It all often takes me back to my abusive childhood home where I was kept inside/sheltered not to be protected from harm, but to keep me from realizing what was going on. To keep me from reaching people and information that would tell me it isn’t normal. But without the internet, its privacy and the people (not AI) I met there, I might still believe in that normal. It was thinking that got me out, and intense self-reflection. When the AI (even the algorithms sometimes) thinks for you, it doesn’t allow you to go through the process of reasoning and critical thinking.

      I first thought it must feel like magic for the kids, then realized no, it’s as normal as our childhood surroundings were to us. And that is terrifying.

      There’s a reason the word “renaissance” means rebirth. Wounding isn’t the same as killing (a status quo or a powerful person). They obviously know that, I think most of us don’t though. We didn’t even recognize the evil grow because they pit us against each other. I cri sorry for rant lemmy.

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      Oh boy, so this is what you think resistance is? I’m afraid you’re even more fucked than I was afraid of.

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        I’m sure that wherever you’re from has some history of armed uprising. Heck, you might have even been a part of it. But this is still the keyboard warrior trope. There are definitely more productive and friendly ways to explain that you think it’s going to take a lot more than what has already been tried than treating strangers in conflict zones like your own personally loathed chess pieces.

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      Gotta get the corpo democrats out first then prosecute all fascists and fascist enablers.

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    It’s relieving in a terrible way to see this acknowledged. I’ve heard far too many people over the last 15 months argue that this is just a roadbump, or talk about it like the typical Republican administration of economic strain and erosion of some civil rights. This is unprecedented in our country’s history. This is not something to hunker down and wait out.

    Even the idea that “fascism will inevitably collapse” is an oversimplification and wishful thinking. I understand that much of this inaction is trauma from the strain of us living in a post 9/11 America, which up until now has been a slow-burn erosion of rights and tightening of economic conditions. Trump’s second term is in every way a different beast. It was well apparent that it would be since before the election even happened: Project 2025. The signs reading “MASS DEPORTATIONS”. Hell; I thought the Alt-Right Insurrection on Jan 6th, 2021 was so blatantly anti-democratic that Trump would have no chance of winning in 2024. I was clearly wrong.

    Look at China. Look at Russia. That’s where the USA is heading. Those nations are fascist, too. That is the type of fascism I see this country falling into. It’s not going to be loud, with massive parades and MAGA Youth programs—Not in a country with this many people, this large an area; and this many guns. The fascism of the USA will be like it has been for the last year: With citizens disappeared from our streets; Agents exploiting our already shredded rights; and surveillance networks tracking our every move. That is life in China and Russia; and those nations are well-settled in those systems.

    The course of the USA is to fall into a fascism of the system. It will not be our military harming our citizens. The violence will be carried out in policies enacted by people with faces and roles; under the guise of “just doing a job” or “protecting their community”. Hell, let’s not pretend like that wasn’t already the case. The War on Drugs, The Patriot Act, the regular abuses of police against protestors… This nation has been one of systemic violence since well before Trump took the stage in 2015. Just look to the population held imprisoned without being found guilty in our prisons, hospitals, and CIA detention centers.

    I applaud the resistance in Minneapolis and Saint Paul. What happened in the Twin Cities was the first bit of resistance we’ve seen in this entire administration (excluding one-day attacks—I am not downplaying their significance.) Regarding the rest of this nation: What happened throughout the last year (especially the atrocities of ICE) is well beyond what I inherently assumed would be the “snapping point”. The fact that our economy and institutions are continuing in the midst of such blatant oppression and corruption, has me convinced there is no snapping point at all. En large, no draconian policy will trigger an out-roar, because the masses simply do not have it within them. We’re too worn down, too distracted, too traumatized, and too used to it. What scares me most is how clear it is—by the public conduct of our corporations, our elected leaders, and our government accounts—that our rulers know this.

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      “Fascism will inevitably collapse” is the dumbest take.

      Like, it took world mobilization and six years to snuff out last time, but this time it’ll just eat itself? Sure

      • THANK YOU. Also the German Army was weak before Hitler’s rise (hence the loss in WWI which the Nazi’s attributed to the “Stab in the Back” theory). Germany also owed significant debt for reparations in the Treaty of Versailles. And the mobilization of Eurasia, the USA and Canada is no small feat.

        None of this is true here. The USA has the strongest and most expensive army in the world. The USA largely was the army of the “Free World”—I say was because it’s clear the USA is aligned closer to China and Russia. Sure, the USA is in debt; but it’s all imaginary numbers because the USA also prints the world currency.

        Also: nukes. We’ve got nukes. We’ve got TONS of nukes. In WWII, Germany did not have nukes. Japan did not have nukes. Now, nukes are not nation-enders; but they are fierce deterrents, especially against democracies where leaders have to answer questions like “Why did you provoke the USA into turning my family into shadows over foreign policy?”.

        [The world unifies to save the USAmericans] is a prediction so self-absorbed and far-fetched, you’d only hear it from a USAmerican. The UK, Canada, Germany; they’ve all got their own rising fascist movements to suppress—and Again, hurting your civilians over foreign politics is extremely unpopular.

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      I thought the Alt-Right Insurrection on Jan 6th, 2021 was so blatantly anti-democratic that Trump would have no chance of winning in 2024. I was clearly wrong.

      You overestimated the intelligence of both the Democrats and the voters. The Democrats are too feeble-minded to appeal to the voters, and the voters are too narrow-minded to suck it up and vote anyway.

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      Look at China. … That’s where the USA is heading.

      你好!我是一名逃离美国百年屈辱的难民。请问哪里可以找到火车?

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    The US hasnt had a meaningful election in a long time. We were basically already a dictatorship. Now at least we can stop pretending that voting harder will change anything.

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      We can thank the Electoral College for that. I explained it to a German acquaintance and he was flabbergasted.

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    The last decade has made it abundantly clear how weak America actually is.

    Growing up I just assumed we would stomp this kind of shit out real fast. Instead we’re bending over and letting an almost dead felon rapist pedophile fuck our country and our futures up. We’re allowing a clearly treasonous party to abdicate all their responsibilities to a fat creep that falls asleep and shits his pants during official duties.

    It’s truly pathetic.

    Don’t think I’ll be able to muster up much patriotism for this shithole for the remainder of my life.

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      It’s interesting. It was pretty clear to me as a child, years ago, that this nation was fucked.

      It had, and has, potential, but is driving in the wrong direction, with blinders on.

      But I think it’s a perspective thing.

      Some people just don’t see it, cause they are doing fine in their fishbowls.

      Others have a twisted perspective and can’t tell what’s real and what’s not–even confuse what’s right in front of them, or biting them in the ass.

      There are people that see it, sure. And people who fight against it. But it’s a lot and they are few. So even with huge wins here or there the overall trajectory remains the same.

      It’s like the doomsday clock: it’s 5 second to midnight, maybe tomorrow it’ll move back to 10 seconds, but it’s unlikely to ever move back a minute, or an hour, or a day.

      And I’m an optimist.

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    Tyrants always have the advantage in a “civil society”…

    (Almost) Everything he does is legal so people treat it as fair game even if we don’t like it, and aside from ICE murdering people, there isn’t any direct violence to fight against so the “civil society” has to wait until it’s wayyyyyyyy too late, to the point that we’re all being sent to the gas chambers, until it decides it’s morally correct to use violence.

    Until that point we’re left hoping our “representatives” will “fight” for us (hahahahahahahahahahahahaha… Ughh…)

    :(

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      People forget that morality, legality, and constitutionality are all different. Andrew Jackson ignored court orders regarding treaties with the Cherokee, nothing bad happened, because the people supported him. Lincoln blockaded the South without congressional approval, that was a good thing, also unconstitutional. He suspended habeas corpus, which was also unconstitutional. ICE is likely not breaking the constitution in many instances. However, that doesn’t make their actions the slightest bit less abjorrent and evil. The constitution is a centuries old piece of paper. If anything, the Bill of Rights and some ot the other amendments (namely the 14th) are significantly more valuable.

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      Not me; I think it’s been warranted for probably 6 months now.

      But unlike my namesake I’m not willing to go it alone.

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    There is a brutal man with a gun, controlling and threatening a group of good citizens with consciences. He’s going to do terrible things to them, and make them do terrible things themselves.

    They have him outnumbered, but he has the gun. If they rush him, they can easily defeat him. But, the first one or two or three or four people to move forward will be shot and probably die painfully. Going first is going to cost a terrible price and you don’t know for sure that anyone else will follow you, that your sacrifice will be for anything at all.

    You feel a little paralyzed and at the same time ashamed you are just standing there.

    What happens next?

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      What happens next?

      Everyone pulls out their phones and starts scrolling for what’s new and trending, several people answer their discord messages.

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        I joined the fediverse and blocked all meme and shitpost feeds, so maybe take that everyone out of your goddamn mouth!

        😁

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      This is what frustrates me most as a Canadian watching this from over the fence.

      I’ve seen ICE videos of them killing people. There are 6 officers and 75 people with phones. ICE shoots someone and none of the 75 people do anything. They let it happen. The 75 people just stood by and watched ICE murder a citizen in broad daylight. When in reality those 75 people could have not only stopped the murder from happening, but likely killed those 6 ICE agents and prevented a future tragedy.

      The fact no one wants to try and stop this is why it’s still happening. America is filled with keyboard warriors and when push comes to shove, a bunch of pussies.

      America is falling not just because of people not voting (Which 1/3rd of eligible voters allowed this to happen), but because of deliberate inaction as fascism takes over right in front of everyone with no resistance at all.

      But maybe we’ll have a protest on a Saturday afternoon. That’ll show em.

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      Only half of those citizens have consciouses at all, and many of those are still confused about how bad the guy with the gun is. They still at least believe in there being a guy with a gun, just not this exact one, they want their handsome gun guy instead of this ugly gun guy. The other half rabidly love the guy with the gun.

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      Recently re-listening to ALL-AMERIKKKAN BADASS by Joey Bada$$, from 2017. I want to share the last verse of AMERIKKKAN IDOL here, it’s even more bitterly accurate than it was back then.

      What the government is doin’ amongst our people is downright evil

      Disturbin’, but not surprisin’, that’s for certain

      With all of the conflict of propaganda, I believe they are simply tryna slander

      Start a Civil War within the USA amongst black and white, and those alike

      They are simply pushin’ us to our limit, so that we can all get together and get with it

      They want us to rebel, so that it makes easier for them to kill us and put us in jails

      Alton Sterlings are happenin’ every day in this country and around the world

      The scary part, boys and girls

      Is most of these stories don’t make it to the news and reach mass consciousness

      It is for sure time that we as a people stand up for acknowledgement

      And accomplishment, of what we call human rights

      It is time to rebel, better yet, raise hell

      I just want everyone to be cautious about how they go about it

      Because this is all part of the government’s plan and what they been plottin’

      They’re literally beggin’ for this to happen, so they can kill us off

      Usin’ uprisin’ and rebellion as the excuse in a timely fashion

      The cancerous foods, the chemical warfare, economic sufferin’ is not workin’ fast enough

      There are many steps ahead of us and manifestin’ the future that they want

      We have to work together, not only rattlin’ them on a physical plane

      But to outsmart them on an intellectual mental level the same

      As black men, I think our gangs need to do a better job

      At protecting us, the people, our communities

      And not assistin’ in destroyin’ them brutally

      It’s time to even the score

      'Cause who do we call when the police break the law?

      We are so quick to pick up a gun and kill one another

      But not quick enough to pick it up and protect each other

      The code words to killin’ a black man by police is, “He’s got a gun”

      Damned if he do, damned if he don’t, damned if he runs

      Or what about them? Them murderers got it

      We need solutions, you better start plottin’ now

      It’s always been clear that they don’t value our lives

      My people been sufferin’ way too long

      And I’m tired of singin’ the same old song

      People actin’ like this shit isn’t happenin’, it’s downright wrong

      Justice won’t be served by a hashtag, and that’s the very reason I ask that

      What are we to do? We’re scattered around

      With no clue of this ugly truth

      All we know is who they ridiculed and who gets minisculed

      Time to wake the fuck up and do our own research

      And not form opinions based on just what we’ve heard

      Ameri-K-K-K-a is force feedin’ you lies down your throats with a silver spoon

      And eventually, we’ll all be doomed

      Real, real, real soon

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      One man can’t keep a hundred of his peers in subjugation, but a million can keep 400 million so. It’s about organization and leadership. The analogy you give doesn’t really fit, and neither do my statistics as they’ve far more than a million at their disposal. Half the country still supports them to boot and they’ve millions under arms, following orders and we have, the democrats organizing what passes for resistance.

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        There were about 1 million jews that died in Auschwitz, where they had about 10,000 guards. Quite literally a ratio of 100 people being subjugated by 1 person.

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          It’s a point made in decline and fall of the roman empire, that an organized group can hold a large population down even as in a smaller group that ratio could not.

          Looking at concentration camps is different, those people were already captured, you would want to look at the size of the police, and SS, and SA, and the like.

          Also there were a lot more victims of nazis than just 'the jews." They killed unionists, socialists, communists, gypsies/roma, the mentally ill, homosexuals, leftists, political opponents, and so forth.

          They matter as well, we repeat casualty figures of the nazis like jews were the only victims, and it’s not true, and gives people a false impression that if they aren’t a member of the out group they will be fine.

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            I wasn’t trying to say jews were the only victims, just trying to show a real-world example of how it took about 1 person per 100 to subjugate a group of people. Yes the concentration camps were different but I would still say those people were subjugated.

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              I just made the point because the media does that all the time they never mention other victims, and it’s left the population with a very inaccurate view of the nazis, their victims, and whom their victims would be if they got in power.

              Not all immigrants it’s an ever expanding list, especially when they will need a lot of scapegoats to cover for their stealing and corruption. People won’t risk their neck if their neck isn’t on the chopping block and all, I think it’s a on purpose of them.

              It also feeds into the victim mentality that is used by some groups to commit their own abuses and force their own others into ghettos they control, about 6 million of them in fact, coincidentally.

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      The problem is that the system is functioning perfectly. It was always intended to help rich people carry out their will, and now that their will is to dismantle the US so that technofeudalism can reign, the system is enabling them to do that.

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      So some people in a secondary city of the US have been protesting? Great, but that only proves the point. At least 2 of those people were murdered in the meantime by a government militia that faces no trial about it.

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        Secondary?!

        You chaff. If every Minnesotan pulled their conceal and carry to rightfully pop these fucking invaders, it opens the flood gates of the tyranny’s army. This shit is delicate. The fact that we showed restraint so that a “legal” full fledged invasion didn’t happen is astounding. We’re being held captive by our own government who holds the world’s largest military card. The fight IS happening, but we can’t do it physically. We’d be decimated. It’s not that we don’t want trials, it’s that the entire power structure is against the people, reason, and justice. We’re TRYING to change it. And there IS a lot of good legal cases being built. But that doesn’t mean shit while our country is being held captive by a small hegemony of captors and a whole lot of “I’m just doing my job” sub-humans carrying military equipment playing gestapo

        P.S. I honestly just used your post to vent after seeing my city being called “secondary”. You didn’t say anything untrue otherwise and I likely agree with most, if not all of your standpoints

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          I didn’t mean secondary in an offensive way. It’s just a fact, it’s not LA, NY, SF, Chicago or DC. It’s a city with very little international recognition, it’s probably more significant than what I assume, but from my European POV it seems a city way out of the main US metropolis.

          I do wish it inspires more people around the US. But again, from what and where I see, it’s seems like the US is going into a real dictatorship with very little resistance, be it the opposition party, the courts, the media or the man on the street.

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            I see you.

            It’s fucking horrific to live through. The opposing party has no real power beyond a vote, of which they’re outnumbered by retarded egomaniacs. The courts are a fucking joke just like the rest of our “checks and balance” system. Algorithmic media is actual cancer that pushes rage, ignorance, and the agenda. “News” and cable like media either push the narrative of the regime or just “tsk tsk”’s the shit going on. And the fucking good people on the street are fighting with a hand behind their back because if they cast a singe real stone, like say, a bullet, it opens the flood gates of martial law. Of which, with our current moral, we would be properly fucked into submission like Trump so loves to do.

            We’re in check until a couple of potential turning points. Midterms could prove interesting which would add stopping power. There’s already dissent in the Republican Party, of which I hold little hope because they’re all retarded egomaniacs, but that makes the dissent even more of a point. If Trump actually does start a war to post-pone elections, instating his third term, I think hell would be raised within his own support system. And of course, he could just fucking die already and I’m fairly confident his cult would rapidly deteriorate.

            All to say, you’re right. America is being raped by its president. But I hold hope that is not unfounded that this will not go unpunished. Even if it does take years…

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              All to say, you’re right. America is being raped by its president. But I hold hope that is not unfounded that this will not go unpunished. Even if it does take years…

              I hold the same hope. My comments around here are not intended to be discouraging, but provocative, I’m sure the “American freedom” stills rings bells within most US citizens. So I do hope they’ll do something to get it back.

              The current framework however does seem too weak, the rich dudes own the country.

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    I don’t blame the Citizens. The Citizens are against a huge media blitz working against them: Online, social media, and traditional media. They’ve been systematically targets to oppose on another on multiple levels.

    The Democrats and the Republicans both failed. This is Democratic Erosion over a long timeline. We’re seeing the results of a failure of Democracy.

    Democratic guardrails were removed over a long enough time and/or were not reinstated fast enough. The same people who thrive in high-level social circles tend to be sociopaths and psychopaths, both can be corrupt, this is humans nature. Technology moved faster than geriatric politicians could keep up with, and this was taken advantage of by both the psy/sociopaths and International Forces. We are living through the downfall of American Democracy driven by both Capitalism and International Forces doing what all Internationals Forces have done since Pangea split or whatever.

    We don’t live in a perfect world. Democracy will always be a tug of war between ideas of shared power and the want of absolute power; this is human nature.

    The only forces that can hold a POTUS accountable, especially at this stage when there’s so many stooges in place, is a literal mob or the Military Branch. If this administration doesn’t want to give up power; I’m not sure there’s anything to stop them.

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      Ok, honest question. That Wikipedia article doesn’t seem to say anything about him being a piece of shit, what do you mean?

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        Honest question, did you read the wikipedia article?

        “In 1997, Kagan co-founded the now-defunct neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century with William Kristol. Through the work of the PNAC, from 1998, Kagan was an early and strong advocate of military action in Syria, Iran, Afghanistan as well as to “remove Mr. Hussein and his regime from power.” After the 1998 bombing of Iraq was announced Kagan said “bombing Iraq isn’t enough” and called on Clinton to send ground troops to Iraq.”

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        He is a neo conservative, which I dunno if it qualifies him to be a POS but it does make everything he says pretty fucking suspect.

        Sure, the never trumpers are better than not but they still helped usher in this current day madness

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    I’ve mentioned this before to others whenever this comes up. most or a great majority of people in the US have it “good enough” to not “risk it all”.

    Things over here “aren’t bad enough” for people to full-on revolt. I’d say we’re kinda close but modern, white, boring america just doesn’t want to get caught in the shit storm. They understand it might come for them at some point but that time isn’t now so why “stick their neck out”

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      most or a great majority of people in the US have it “good enough” to not “risk it all”.

      Most of the people I know are barely hanging on and desperate to keep the little they have. When you’re barely getting by, like 60% of Americans currently living paycheck to paycheck, you can’t afford to risk anything.

      They’re too busy making sure their kids don’t starve, or making sure they can stretch the last bit of money until the next check. Doesn’t help that all we do is exploit these people any chance we can.

      And I’d bet a lot of people in that situation don’t really care to help repair a system that never really worked for them in the first place.

      It’s not the right approach, you and I know that. But desperate people don’t act rationally. They act emotionally. And our society has gotten really good at manipulating peoples emotions.

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        “We’re too poor to afford to risk anything” is insulting to all the popular revolutions which happened because people were actually poor. Like, sorry not sorry, but the median American proletarian may live paycheck-to-paycheck but still lives in untold luxury compared to a 1917 Bolshevik who had to go to war sharing two boots and one rifle with multiple people, or the median revolutionary in Nepal last year (one of the poorest countries in the world).

        Americans really have it too good to risk it all, that analysis is correct. They could have it a lot better, sure, but threat of not having it so good anymore is what keeps them complacent.

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        The people living paycheck to paycheck are ones who would make the most impact by striking, but are least able to as they will starve, be evicted, lose utilities/cell/internet if they do.

        The people who are making enough money to be comfortable are afraid that if they upset the people above them, they will become the people living paycheck to paycheck.

        The independently wealthy and top tier capitalists are the ones that have the most financial freedom to protest, but have the least reason to, are the smallest group, and are mostly fine with how things are (at best) or actively making things worse (most likely).

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      First they came for the ‘illegals’, but I did not do anything as I wasn’t an illegal.
      Then they came for the trans, but I did not speak up for I wasn’t trans.
      Then they came for etc etc etc.

      Waiting for dictators to do the right thing is never ever a good idea.

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        first they came for the immigrants, and i’m freaking out because i’m trans and i’m worried we’ll be next, but everyone’s telling me to calm down. wonder what they’ll say to me when they come for the trans.

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          They’ll say, “Where’s lolola gone? …Oh, ohh, ohhhhhh. Oh well, never mind, I’m not trans. I’m just gay, they’ll never come for me.”
          {Flashing lights outside. Knock on the door}
          “Whoever could that be?..oh, hello officer, how can I help yo…why are you handcuffing me? Help! Help! No one could ever have seen this coming!!”

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          Most of us aren’t there yet.

          By the time you are it’ll be too late.

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            Sure. Most of us recognize it too. You realize the entire country is built around keeping us tied to an employer right?

            Without a job, I have no health insurance, I have no roof over my head, I have no food. Those of us helping with the community orgs can only do so because we can afford it.

            Good luck inspiring people to go die while they have those basic needs being provided.

    • Absolutely. I’m very aware of my “white privilege”.

      I vote. I’ve protested and will again.

      Yet, I’m going away for long weekends and I have a very big vacation coming in 2 months. I’m sure many people find that selfish and offensive. However, I consider it my personal survival technique.

      Best of luck to everyone.

        • Oh, I am… My GF and I are logging at least one day of OT per week to pay for that big vacation. I’ll be @ 54 hrs this week by end of today’s shift. And my company pays “critical staffing” bonus of $10/hr on top of my 1.5X OT rate.

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      Sadly yes, when it finally does get to the point where most of America says “we’ve had enough!” I feel the water will be boiling and the frog will be almost cooked.

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        The water is so full of toxins we won’t even have to wait for it to boil. Endocrine disruptors and whatever else have turned us into compliant slaves of the ruling class without a fight. I’m serious about that, something dosing us is making us compliant, I’m convinced of it, it could be endocrine disruptors perhaps, which are everywhere.

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    “Almost”? What meager resistance are they referencing? Protests? Protests are not resistance, they are just saying “we don’t like you and what youre doing”. As we have so far seen that has had no effect other than get people outside and on the street when they otherwise wouldn’t bother.

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      Those people on the street are building connections, coalitions, and community around resistance. If the protests didn’t mean anything and weren’t effective they wouldn’t be getting met with such a violent reaction from the regime.

      Stop with the doomerism, get off the keyboard, and get involved.