• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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    I’d prefer neither.

    Edit: To be clear: I prefer socialism. Not whatever feelgood capitalism, but make it green on the left is.

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      Edit: To be clear: I prefer socialism. Not whatever feelgood capitalism, but make it green on the left is.

      The PRC has a socialist market economy, not “feelgood capitalism.” The commanding heights of industry are publicly owned, the working classes have control of the state, and this combination is what allows for the PRC’s strong movements towards electrification, combatting desertification, and uplifting the working classes. China in many ways is advancing towards what Solarpunks reportedly want, a green economy directed towards working class interests.

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        “The working classes have control of the state” good one lmao. They have so much control that millions protesting in HK just got violently beaten back and ignored.

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          “I’m so much more communist than you that it overflew and now my takes align perfectly with capitalist propaganda”

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          millions protesting in HK

          Have a source for this that isn’t organisers puffing themselves up?

          Edit: people crying about HK specifically being pro 2019 riots just shows they have very little understanding beyond a hate for China (and most likely Chinese people). A man (Chan Tong-kai) murdered his pregnant girlfriend (Amber Poon Hiu-wing) in Taipei. Returned to HK and admitted to it to the authorities but because of a loophole in the law could only be charged with money laundering for stealing her stuff after he murdered her. The government then went to fix the loophole as any government should which the colonial brained “democratic alliances” seized upon. If you are pro leaving gaping holes in the law for murders to get away without any consequences you are a bastard even if you pretend it’s all for the greater good (in your mind) of a recolonised HK.

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          The HK riots were western-backed, fighting to remain under British colonialism. Since the HK riots, things have cooled down considerably, with the majoriry favoring the transition due to improving economic conditions and the benefits of being better-integrated into the socialist economy of China.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              Buddy, I was in HK just a month ago. It’s night and day compared to the shithole it was when occupied by the Brits. Go spew your drivel somewhere else.

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                Yeah - again, I know people who grew up in Hong Kong and still have family there (and they’re not right-wingers, to be clear). They were perfectly fine and happy with being administered by the PRC - frankly, there are a lot of benefits to that.

                But the crackdown on civil rights and democratic rule was the thing that caused so much protesting. And the crackdown incited the protests and riots, not the other way around - it was effectively a police riot that kicked all that off. A concept I’m familiar with, by the way, as a unitedstatesian, because our police are generally pieces of shit, moreso than the general baseline.

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      that’s just choosing the capitalist way with extra steps in practice as the history of western left clearly demonstrates

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          Ah, the mythical third way that the compatible left keeps talking about, but has never been seen to work in practice in over a century.

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            I definetly want socialism. But that shit on the left is nothing, but corporate feel-good green capitalism, not worker’s control over the means of production.

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                So worker’s ownership of the means of production is a “fantasy” for you? So you agree that you’re not a socialist. Cool

                The bullshit on the left can all be found in western, capitalist countries. It’s nothing, but ecologic virtue signaling.

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                  No, the fantasy is that you’re magically going to end up in a worker ownership utopia going from the current capitalist relations. It’s incredible that somebody could be so infantile as to think there wouldn’t be some sort of a transition period after the working class takes power and has to fight against the dominant capitalist empire that tries to extinguish every socialist project. Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent.