A federal judge in Florida ruled a U.S. law that prohibits people from having firearms in post offices to be unconstitutional, the latest court decision declaring gun restrictions violate the Constitution.

U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, a Trump appointee, cited the 2022 Supreme Court ruling “New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen” that expanded gun rights. The 2022 ruling recognized the individual’s right to bear a handgun in public for self-defense.

The judge shared her decision in the indictment that charged Emmanuel Ayala, U.S. Postal Service truck driver, with illegal possession of a firearm in a federal building.

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      Yeah, Florida made itself such a reputation, that when there was an article that the law about financial disclosure of politicians passed it just raised questions “what’s the catch?”. People are not used to seeing anything positive coming from that state.

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      The USPS has been abused by DeJoy, another trump appointee, who filled the fleet with more gas vehicles with less efficiency than previous models. That and removing public mail boxes for “reasons that totally didn’t have to do with mail-in voting helping Democrats win elections, promise.”

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        It wasn’t just blue boxes, he also shut down sorting machines, slowing mail processing in another attempt to delay mail-in ballots. Luckily we weren’t sending these off to get sorted at the plant and would take them to the town hall directly which probably helped circumvent a lot of late ballots. Can’t say this was done in every office but in my local area I know we did that.

        Edit: a word

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      now must allow armed nut jobs inside

      What do you imagine was blocking such people from carrying in the first place? A sign?

      “Well shit Jethro. Sign says it right there. ‘No nutty gunners allowed.’ Let’s go put our shit back in the truck. 'Parently the libs won’t ‘allow’ us to shoot the place up. Dang it!”

      People like you are why our politicians waste political capital on bullshit laws instead of working towards real solutions. You actually believe carry bans are effective? Ignorant at best, a childish conception of human behavior, and that’s me being charitable.

      “Well, by golly I don’t like it! A ban should do nicely! Put those bad people in their place for once!”

      Yeah. Worked for alcohol, abortion and drugs, didn’t it?

      the place that mass shootings in the US began

      Fuck are you on about? I know, bag on Florida, score internet points, feel righteous. Getting that dopamine hit? Feeling smart?

      Know why you hear so much crazy shit about Florida?

      We got 21.7 million people here, third most populous state in the union. (A million is “a lot” for those of you lacking math.) Yeah, we gonna have some fruits and nuts.

      We got “sunshine laws”, a liberal idea, one I adore, that allows free reporting of crime and much more.

      Florida began its tradition of openness back in 1909 with the passage of Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes or the “Public Records Law.” This law provides that any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection, unless specifically exempted by the Florida Legislature.

      Perhaps we should rescind that? Take the wind out of the sails for people like you?

      We got a nut case governor, who is certainly going to lose his next election. LOL, we can’t do worse.

      Where you from? Bet money I can bag on your state as hard or harder.

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        A lot to unpack here but I’ll just focus on this;

        the place that mass shootings in the US began

        The term “going postal” is what they’re referring to.

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          There were mass shootings prior to the post office.

          Freedom is scary, get over it. If you crave safety go live in an authoritarian society like China.

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            Freedom is scary

            I’m pretty free and never have to fear that the jackass in front of me on the highway will pull a gun if I look at him wrong. Crazy how a gun isn’t necessary for freedom.

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                No you see you have it backwards. I’m not afraid of psychos with guns because I live in a country with somewhat sane firearm laws.

                The guy who pulled the gun on me in Boston lived in fear though.

                Weird how that works.

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                  Sounds like you should stay where ever you are from. You prefer to trade freedom for perceived safety.

                  I would advise not coming to America again. Freedom can be scary.

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              I see you would prefer an echo chamber reinforcing your beliefs.

              Seeing other people’s viewpoints and understanding their thoughts on an issue can be difficult.

              Freedom is scary, get over it.

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                Hahaha literally a fucking caricature response. Fuck your viewpoints and your dementia ridden thoughts.

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        What do you imagine was blocking such people from carrying in the first place? A sign?

        It’s this simple: if it’s legal to carry a gun somewhere then you have no idea which armed people are responsible, sane gun owners; if it’s illegal to carry a gun somewhere, then anyone with a gun is therefore not a sane, responsible gun owner, which is really damn good to know before they are pointing the gun at someone.

        No it doesn’t prevent crazy people with guns, but it let’s you know that anyone with a gun is a threat and measures should be taken immediately.

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      Last time I checked killing people is still murder in Florida, which is a crime.

      There are many other common everyday items in society that can kill people if misused, yet they are not illegal in the post office.

      Edit: Wow soo many downvotes for simply pointing out the fact that murder is still illegal in Florida.

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        killing people is still murder in Florida, which is a crime

        No, no, and no. If your are president you can totally murder and it is not a crime unless you are impeached and convicted - heard from a source that is considered reliable in Florida.

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          That is a very flawed opinion put forth in a court case outside of the state of Florida. Murder is still illegal in Florida.

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      OK, let’s roll it back.

      Now I can’t carry in a Post Office. Sound good?

      Now how do you propose to enforce that law? Perhaps a sign on the door saying, “No bad guys allowed.”

      So weird seeing comments like yours. Let me quote Sir Terry Pratchett, wild conservative (LMAO having wrote that…)

      Confiscate all weapons, and crime would go down. It made sense. It would have worked, too, if only there had been enough coppers – say, three per citizen.

      Amazingly, quite a few weapons were handed in. The flaw, though, was one that had somehow managed to escape Swing, and it was this: criminals don’t obey the law. It’s more or less a requirement for the job. They had no particular interest in making the streets safer for anyone except themselves. And they couldn’t believe what was happening. It was like Hogswatch every day.

      Some citizens took the not-unreasonable view that something had gone a bit askew if only naughty people were carrying arms. And they got arrested in large numbers.

      And from another great book of his:

      A sign attached to the tower read: “Dijabringabeeralong: Check your Weapons.” “Yep, still got all mine, no worries,” said Mad.

      For those unfamiliar, Pratchett was so liberal, he was writing about trans rights before you kids ever heard those words put together.

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    I need a gun when I go to the post office to protect myself from the postal workers when they decide to go postal.

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    Be interesting to see how the appeal goes. It’s going to take a while to thin out those Trump judges.

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      Honestly, this is going to be the real and lasting problem of his (hopefully) single-term. The justice system (specifically the supreme court) is going to be fucked for many years to comes. That is unless congress actually expands or sets some kind of limits.

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        I’m fifty. Guaranteed I’m going to be dead before the supreme court is fixed, so this is my life now.

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    We should make sure it’s also unconstitutional to block guns at:

    • Courthouses
    • GOP conventions
    • Political rallies
    • NRA conventions
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      With the exception of the courthouse, those examples are privately owned locations which can currently not allow firearms to their whim. Courthouse gun-free zones are constitutional and reaffirmed via Bruen.

      The 3 other examples are: Theaters, arenas, public events reserved via permit, etc.

      Depending on the state, any private location can choose to allow firearms and some states have the rule of law in that. In states where disallowing firearms does not have the rule of law, the individual going against the wishes of the location or event can be asked to leave under threat of trespassing as an unwelcomed individual.

      Opening up those locations to firearms would also negate all other laws that ban carry on private property or otherwise public properties reserved by a private party as none would qualify as a constitutional gun-free zone.

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    Bunch of scared insecure children on the right. Recommend a listen to Malcolm Gladwell 6 part series on gun violence for the history of the rights obsession with 2A.

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    I want to open carry an ar15 in an MRI room. If you prohibit that, you are violating my constitutional rights!

    If you say that there are exceptions to those rights the I think we have a crack that we need to rip open juuuuust a little wider.

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      I love how open carry was banned in California by Republican legislation and the law was signed by fucking none other than conservative golden calf, Ronald Reagan.

      And why? Because the Black Panthers were making white people nervous.

      There’s no moral or logical consistency until you realize everything they do is self serving and any given stance is subject to change whenever convenient.

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    This is a ridiculous ruling, but the reason the ban on guns in post offices makes many gun owners so angry is that unlike pretty much any other no-gun zone laws, it includes all of the property, including the parking lot.

    So if a licensed person removes their gun and leaves it in the car so they can go into the post office, they’ve still committed a felony by parking there.

    So instead they’ll park in the street. And if the lot is mostly empty and there’s a car parked in the street in front of the post office, it’s a bright neon sign to thieves that breaking into that car will score them a gun.

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        Some people are required to carry firearms. If your job is armed security, you shouldn’t have a potential felony charge for going to the post office after work and dropping a letter in the night drop with your gun locked in the car.

        Just have federal buildings follow the laws of the states they’re in regarding the definition of premises for firearms. That is - apply it to the buildings, but not to the cars in the parking lot.

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            What’s a more secure place for a firearm? Unattended in a locker or actively in the possession of the person licensed to have it?

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                How so? Where do you keep your wallet? How about your keys?

                The most secure place to store something isn’t to leave it unattended. It’s to actively have it on your person.

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                  Do you take everything valuable from your house and your car with you from wherever you go? Or do you just lock them up and leave them unattended? Lol

                  The most secure place to keep something is to leave it locked up in a safe place. A person can get robbed…even if they have a gun, lol