• thepig@lemmy.zip
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    Remember the countries that voted in the UN against food being a human right ? The USA and Israel.

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    Food, shelter and warmth are the only things we need. And we have more than enough for every single person on earth. Boy oh boy did we ever reveal our shortcomings as a race. Even barn rats look out for each other.

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    So the issue is: we industrialized because we wanted to sell more food while paying less people for working. Not because we wanted to make the world a better place.

    Industrialization and AI are actually very similar. Both were pushed by rich people who wanted to pay less for producing more.

    And just like industrialization, push to use AI is lowering quality of everything. Because quality things cannot be mass-produced.

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      Industrialized ag happened because the large majority of people don’t want to do the hard work of farming. All of you here want to make a 6+ figure income sitting in your comfortable home office. Rather than working 10-hour days sweating in the hot sun to grow your own food and provide for its storage.

      You wanted those pretty lights and shiny baubles the urban life provides. So, because so many people want to get that nice cushy life, you have fewer people needing to feed more and more people that can’t provide food for themselves. So what is the end result?

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      Quality things can be mass-produced but you don’t have to renew them as often and you quickly reach saturation of the market and thus your sales plumet.

      So they prefer enshittification and planned obsolescence…

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    Lock-and-key grain agriculture exists precisely TO suppress people. Grain agriculture spread not because bread is a miracle and we all love it and need so much of it, but rather because grains have a predictable harvest and consistent size and weight that makes them useful for taxing purposes for states – and it makes populations grow because it requires you to be sedentary… which also useful for states in many situations. States and hierarchies are the problem.

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    nah, that’s where you’re wrong. We industrialised agriculture to make trillionaires while the rest of us die.

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    21 hours ago

    And if you go back to the original community structure it was the family or tribe - where the whole point was group survival, not luxury for a few while the majority scraped by.

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    Kill the rich, save the poor. Taxation, is not enough for the current era. There must be justice for the crimes committed. Once they are dead, then we can figure out how to run the world without capitalism. Untill then, the elimination of the ultra-rich by any means should be the goal. Everything else is noise.

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      We’ve done this. The people in charge of the killing are the new kings.

      Not saying it’ll yield a worse situation, tho.

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        “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

        That’s why anarchism should be the goal, or at least a confederation. Power should never be concentrated.

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          It’s a good goal, but not in a competitive world where you can be occupied/exploited… We had a series of small successful small societies all around the world and they were crushed by colonialism.

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            I agree. That’s why I think anarchism would only work if everyone in the world share the similar values and culture, in others words “like minded” enough to trust each other. But that will take a really long time to happen.

            The most successful anarchist society I’ve seen in media is the Fremen in Dune. They all get along despite having local quirks from their own immediate community on both southern and northern halves of Arrakis. But this then runs into trouble of being vulnerable to interplanetary invasion. Which then leads the requirement for a universe-wide cultural harmony to allow for a universal anarchism.

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              You can hope to opt-out your society at best, but then the rewards for remaining societies to go full-bore capitalist are greater.

              You can’t beat the system and the human race is doomed. Cephalopods are the future.

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      While you’re figuring out how to run the world without capitalism, which opportunistic individuals, agencies, and countries are going to be exploiting the massive power vacuum you have created? I think change is needed, but at least have a fucking plan before suggesting something that affects your multivariable social credit score at the NSA. You’re not helping anything or anyone and you’re actively harming yourself. All data is collected and compiled. There is more going on than you are aware of, and if you are not aware there is a decentralized autonomous organization of secret police described at an eighth grade reading level in the New Testament, you may wanna freshen up on your Knowledge base.

      Y’know, the Illuminati existed to help guide people waking up to the half-truths into the occult while catching those people who just wanted to burn the church to the ground. There’s mechanisms in place to catch the bad apples, and if you’re mouthing off with this, you are probably fucking yourself in some way you are not aware. I say this as someone that could be a fed. I might be a fed. I may be a fed. And you are incapable of discerning the truth despite me saying this, y’understand? Dazzle camouflage. You are likely under investigation. But I only know you from one comment. Imagine what someone reading your messages thinks of you. :)

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        Hey look a “scary” noise. Come get me. Come kill me. My whole town will rebel against you.

        I’m too well known locally. You cannot silence me quietly. Why should I be afraid of death? Why should I be afraid?

        Also feds have ALREDY been to my home. I have no weapons. I have no chemicals. I have no means of actually dishing out death.

        There is no secret police. Humans can’t keep secrets. You do not scare me and you never will. But boy do I smell fear on you.

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          My mission is education, bro. I love you. I don’t want anything to happen to you. You should really read the New Testament to UNDERSTAND what is says.

          See, the thing about language is that semiotics is too preliminary of a means to co-enceptulate knowledge, for it’s just symbols. The passage of the 0’s n 1’s encoded in the tramsmutae in communication are primarily defunct, by default. What that means is there has to be a lateral form of processing to one’s linear processing. There’s one’s logic/Adam, and one’s intuition/Eve, and Eve is the one who gets Knowledge first, which is wisdom encoded in passage. You have absolutely no idea what the nature of the surveillance state if you thought I was an enemy. I’M YOUR SAVIOR RETARD! I WANT YOU TO SAVE YOURSELF FROM YOUR OWN DUMBASS!

          A messiah is a repurposed pariah, one guaranteed thing in society. Jesus wasn’t good enough for his step-dad. Moses was abandoned. Me? Well, I’m just a class 11.2 retard, which is an obscure literary reference.

          What’s hiding right in front of your face? Dazzle camouflage is what ensures I can speak freely and even if you choose to be my enemy, you can’t hurt me worth a damn. You might be hurting yourself, cuz we might have planned around you planning around a consciously, deliberate retard, like me!

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              No. I’m not telling you to do anything. I’m telling you everything said is consumed by an eldritch beast in the NSA basement to reduce you to thirty-six axises of a social credit score. Where you go is up to you. And remember, at some point in the future, we figure out retrocausality. But I’m just a caster of lots, according to Revelation 22:15. I know nothing is random. I also know what this object is for, being ordained in the occult:

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                  No, sewing wasn’t invented yet. That is a pedagogical object meant to teach what Indra’s Net is an analogy for, similar to a diagram in a textbook. That’s why they’re found amongst valuable objects, not just strewn about.

                  You are not a featherless biped on an Earth. You are a pocket of consciousness and the Earth is inside you. Everything you experience is self-contained within your neurons, right? Well, these words must be inside you, yea? So, a refracted reflection of me is inside you.

                  “Occult” just means “hidden.” It benefits the decentralized autonomous organization of secret police described in the New Testament at an eighth grade reading level to upkeep a lie amongst the fools of the world because in the occident, we engineer our culture to control those people who cannot think for themselves.

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    What is the point of automation and mass production when the prices of certain basic staples keeps going up? You are really going to tell me we can’t get a loaf of bread down to 1 dollar?

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      What is the point of automation and mass production

      Profits for the few, enslavement for the rest.

      the prices of certain basic staples keeps going up

      It’s very hard to enslave people who are free and have their needs met.

      we can’t get a loaf of bread down to 1 dollar?

      Capitalism can not exist with the violent deprivation of basic human needs.

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      What is the point of automation and mass production when the prices of certain basic staples keeps going up?

      Horizontal Integration Explained

      Companies pursue horizontal integration for synergies like economies of scale or cost savings in marketing, R&D, production, and distribution. This can make manufacturing multiple products more cost-effective. Tiers of sale under a single distributor (economy and generic versus luxury or specialty) also afford the corporate entity to scale price to income and maximize revenue per customer.

      The “organic” label is a good example of this in practice. Add a 50% mark-up on bananas by telling people the “regular” bananas are unsafe. Anyone who can’t tolerate the professed risk (typically people with more disposable income) end up paying extra to the same distributor for what is functionally the same product sold at a premium price.

      Automation and Mass Production are tools of monopolization in the capitalist economic model. The efficiencies of production are used to lock competitors out of the market, not to improve the consumer-experienced efficiency of production, distribution, or sale.

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          The short answer is that any benefit arising from the decrease in manufacturing costs through technology, scaling, etc. is considered the property of the manufacturer. You though those cost savings should be passed on to the customer. They disagree. Perhaps an even split? NO.

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      A dollar might be a little optimistic today - I say this because a basic loaf of bread I bake at home, which I do a lot, costs me around $1.10. Of course a bakery buys bulk ingredients at lower cost, but they also have to pay employees and I don’t.

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        I’ve seen several basic loaves for like $1.19 recently. They’re starting to catch on to the fact that there’s not much left to extract, and a hungry man is an angry man.