Members of Trump’s own party have lined up to condemn the deal, which pledges to help fund Iran and scrap sanctions
Republicans have turned on Donald Trump over his plan to end the war with Iran, accusing him of making the “worst foreign policy blunder in decades”.
The U.S. released the 14-point interim agreement on Wednesday as Trump signed the documents in Versailles, France. The terms included stopping the conflict and reopening the vital shipping route, the Strait of Hormuz, but also financing Iran’s recovery with a $300bn fund and scrapping sanctions.
“Reagan is rolling over in his grave,” said Louisiana senator Bill Cassidy on Wednesday, referring to the former president Trump admires.
Because he’s dumb as fucking dirt. Seriously! He is not a smart man in any way.
Hey republicans: you know that idiot that everyone said was an idiot and that we all warned you was an idiot? Turns out he’s an idiot.
And a liar. And a diddler.
Mostly a diddler. Lock him up.
The blunder was getting involved at all. This MOU is about as “good” a deal as possible, under the circumstances.
And it really isn’t even a “deal.” The MOU is just a promise to talk about specific things during the actual negotiations later on. And a lot of those things are non-starters for either Trump or Iran.
And Israel can come along and fark the whole thing up at any time.
GOOD HE SHOULD FUCKING BE ABANDONED AND DIE (politically) ALONE
Decades? No, this is the worst blunder ever. This is worse than Vietnam and Iraq because it’s more stupid and incompetent.
What? How? Cutting and running makes this much less of a blunder than either of those cases.
It’s all for show. They’ll bend the knee.
What if it’s not a blunder. What if Trump is purposefully trying to destroy the country?
If you look at every action he’s taken in that light, it all makes sense.
The purpose of a system is what it does.
So if you view the trump presidency as a system, then yes its purpose was to destroy the American political system and impoverish the working class.
I agree with them, the entire war was a good idea, but Trump should’ve waited until US forces have major advantage, before peace talks.
I also like the idea of targeting iranian leaders one by one.
It doesn’t matter anymore since Iran doesn’t want peace anymore.
No, it wasn’t.
Worst possible take. “Personally, I think we should have kept bombing schoolchildren longer.” I bet you think pulling out of Afghanistan was a mistake too. Just as psychotic as the people in power want you to be.
I don’t want to bomb schools, but attack Iranian leaders one by one.
I don’t remember what Afghanistan war was all about, so I can’t help you with that.
I don’t remember what Afghanistan war was all about, so I can’t help you with that.
Apparently! Because the strategy you’re advocating is literally how we created a power vacuum in Afghanistan that created ISIS and utterly failed to improve anything even after decades of occupation!
Those that refuse to learn history are doomed to repeat it, and by God, do Americans refuse to learn anything from history!
You voted for it.
People pointed out that Trump had tried to deny his own nephew health care. That he had ties to the New York Mafia. That he had boasted of perving on young women. That he had a history of catastrophic business failures. That he had a history of lying so bad his own lawyers had to double team him to get the facts…
Not only that, but he was president already for four years and it was catastrophic
… and they’ll do it again!
Look, all I’m saying is let’s give the leopard a few more chomps at it.
MTG picked the perfect moment to leave Congress.
At this point, I have her as the front runner for the 2028 GOP nomination.
I guess we’ll see. On the one hand she’s a blithering idiot, which is a feature for the smoothbrains that vote Republican.
But on the other hand, she doesn’t have a penis, which might make it really hard for the Nat-C types in her base to overcome. I mean, their own text prohibits women having dominion over men.
I mean, we’ve already seen them vote for and otherwise support women (including MTG herself) for political office, so it seems this “principle” is pretty flexible/unimportant compared to all the hateful shit they’d like to get up to.
True. That’s why it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I saw some of them go ga-ga over Palin as potential VP, too. And she was just as gross and nasty and unqualified as MTG. And McCain was up there in years, and so him passing while being in office was not all that remote of a possibility.
It’s possible that she was a factor in him losing that election, though.
I’m familiar enough with lots of conservatives and heard them talk about women holding power. Being a Rep is one thing, being President is quite another…I don’t know who she ran against as far as Republicans, but she was from a R+19 district.
But ultimately, watching them try to balance “but she’s a woman she should not rule over men” up against the truly awful and un-American and disgusting things she would likely try to bring about, for example, making this a “Christian nation” will be interesting.
I’ve never spoken to her, or met anyone who has. But let’s look at the facts.
She didn’t just leave Congress. She waited until a point in the news cycle where she’d get a lot of notice. She gave up her office before being placed in a position to go against Trump in a realistic way [e.g. voting for impeachment.]
She’s in a great position to be a TV pundit for the midterms, which means more money and more exposure.
For a nitwit, she’s played some pretty cunning moves.
For a nitwit, she’s played some pretty cunning moves.
I agree, assuming she’s making a play here.
I think a lot of these people might be incredibly stupid at some things [1] and incredibly crafty and cunning at manipulation and scheming.
[1] Or great at acting like they are fucking morons to get the base to like them because the base confuses being smart with being “elitist”.
For one of the most extreme examples of this acting like a dumbshit act, see ol’ Foghorn Leghorn himself, Senator John Kennedy, is a Rhodes Scholar, who has a motherfuckin’ degree from Oxford. From his public persona, you’d probably never know this, since he sounds like a blend of Foghorn Leghorn and Hee Haw in his ridiculous folksy persona. For someone that now feigns to be so confused about things like gender, he sure has had quite the transition himself…
I always admired the way George W. Bush could be a Yale graduate with a vast fortune and a simple cowboy at the same time.
100%. I was going to bring him up, too, but my post was getting overly long as-is. 😀
I think some blogger had put up earlier W being quite sharp in some debate he had then contrasted that with some derpy thing he was saying during one of his two terms.
They were not necessarily politicians, but you’d see the same kind of thing (I think some people called it “redneck drag”) in the Duck Dynasty guys. There were plenty of people pointing out that these guys all looks like typical upper-class types, then at some point before the show, were sporting mountain man beards and plenty of camo.
National conservatism is a variant of conservatism that prioritises the defense of national and cultural identity, often based on a theory of the family as a model for the state. It is oriented towards upholding national sovereignty, which includes opposing illegal immigration or immigration per se and having a strong military —Wikipedia
It’s funny because conservatism isn’t an ideology, it’s a disposition.
That may very well apply here, too, but by “Nat-C”, I was turning around Christian Nationalism and making it match, phonetically, the party that it most closely resembles.
If people are not already familiar with Christian Nationalism / New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and the plots and schemes of movements like the Seven Mountain Mandate, they should definitely brush up on it.
Marj is associated with Christian Nationalism and the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) by the way.
I find it rather alarming to see that some people seem to be platforming Marj (and Tucker, FFS!) just because she’s criticizing PEDOnald on the Epstein thing and things like needless wars. Sure, a broken clock can be right twice a day, but people need to be very, very wary of people like her. Same goes for Tucker. I could see those two forming a ticket, by the way.
ok got it now, wasn’t familiar with the basic terminology yet
She is just insane enough to make it work. Then again she is a woman. And shes fetal alcohol syndrome or whatever that is. That’s the redeeming quality.
I don’t think she’ll ever make a serious bid at the presidency. She might throw her hat into the ring to grift and raise money but MAGA will never accept a woman as a leader and even the majority of conservatives think any white man is better than a competent woman or non-white individual.
That’s how we wound up with Turnip.
I still cannot process this is reality.
Harris never won a primary and ended up Veep and a potential President.
Politics is a complicated game, and so far she’s shown some good moves.
2028 is along way off. I am not counting anything out.
I have her as the front runner for the 2028 GOP nomination.
I haven’t seen any polls that put her at double-digits.
You voted for it.
I mean, half the joke is that they didn’t vote for it. Trump has been outspokenly in opposition to wars abroad, in direct refutation to members of his own party (during the primary) and the opposition (during the general). American national politics is a sucking void of anti-war candidates, such that even a serial liar and shameless two-faced shit can fill it.
Incidentally, taking an anti-war tact is how Obama beat Hillary in 2008. And how he obliterated McCain several months later. And “Double Gitmo” Mitt Romney four years after that. It’s also how Clinton beat Bush Sr in '92 (people hating Operation Desert Storm). And it was a long-forgotten part of the Bush Jr campaign against Gore (criticizing US involvement in East Africa and the Baltic States). Hell, Kennedy and LBJ both campaigned as anti-war candidates. They beat Nixon by promising to de-escalate the Cold War (and avoid any future Korean Wars). And then Nixon ran the same playbook eight years later. Reagan beat Carter on similar grounds (peaceful extraction from Iran).
Candidates regularly run - and win - on anti-war positions, only to enter office and reverse course, generating a backlash as a result. Trump’s just the latest and most glaring example.
Point of order: all of your contrasting examples were competent.
Competent? Who the fuck cares if they’re competent at betraying the public, starting pointless wars, terrorizing the globe, and slaughtering innocents?
Plenty of people will happily argue that Operation Desert Storm was a shitshow. Just ask all the veterans with “Gulf War Syndrome”. Or the millions of starving Iraqis that incentivized the “Oil for Food” program (itself an enormous swindle). Similarly, if you crack open Howard Zinn’s “People’s History of the United States”, he’s got some hard truths to drop about the US intervention in Kosovo and Serbia. For that matter, it’s worth interrogating why Yugoslavia disintegrated so quickly to begin with (TL;DR; perestroika).
And then you’ve got Korea, which I would argue is the gold standard for “Failed US Wars” even relative to the current Iran cockup. MacArthur runs laps around Pete Hegseth when it comes to disastrous military adventurism.
Even the Bush Afghan/Iraq Wars are bigger blunders by sheer volume. Hard to compete with a 23 year long calamity inside a mere four months. We did not - blessedly - turn Iran into a narco-state that sent thousands of tons of cheap heroin into the veins of western allied nations for decades on end. We do not appear to have created a new ISIS by engaging in de-IRGC-ization. We killed tens of thousands of people rather than millions of people.
Coulda been way worse.
Nobody is worse at military operations than Pete Hegseth, nobody.
As for the rest, too tired to argue.
I would be hard pressed to name a military command more disastrous than MacArthur’s decision to invade China.
While I agree with you in theory, since it indeed was utterly disastrous, he at least has some sort of coherent (using that phrase mildly here).
Hegseth seems to just like to kill people with impunity, remotely.
Do you really think he could put together a real campaign against a country ready and willing to fight?
He bankrupted a casino. That should be everything you need to know
*multiple times*
He got caught saying ‘grab them by the pussy.’ That wasn’t enough.
A conservative woman went on the TV show The View to defend him.
Another panelist kept repeating ‘pussy’ over and over.
Finally the conservative lady had to demand that the other panelist stop using that offensive word.
He leveraged the bankruptcy of casinos for personal gain. It’s not simple incompetence, it’s a willingness to destroy anything and anyone for his own gain.
Then impeach and remove him from office. You have the power to do this. Until you put rubber to road and actually do this then this is just lip service to try and help midterm turnout for republicans.
lol
But did it distract from the epstein files?
They’ve turned on Trump so many times now they could be generating electricity.
Invariably these articles about Republicans/magas turning on trump use headlines that make it sound like it’s some kind of sea change, and then you get into the article and it’s one or two people.
Turned on him?
Is he in shackles?
Bill Cassidy (primaried by trump), Nikki Hayley (ousted by trump), and some fox news sewer rat.
That’s the “members of trumps own party!”
Ronnie Raygun’s “legacy” is far overblown (how quickly people want to brush aside Iran/Contra, which was worse than Watergate), most especially by the “liberal media” and the conservatives, but yeah, PEDOnald’s debacle here managed to look even stupider than Vietnam, Ronnie Raygun and W.
Hopefully this keeps him from doing stupid shit with Panama, Cuba, Greenland, Canada, Mexico, and ___ and even more stupid shit with Venezuela…
Hopefully this keeps him from doing stupid shit with Panama, Cuba, Greenland, Canada, Mexico, and ___ and even more stupid shit with Venezuela…
