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      You know you start one or two (possibly more) apocalypses centered around your severely neglected son piloting a giant proto-being super robot that traumatizes him nearly every time he gets into it all in the hopes of turning your wife-clone daughter who you spend creepy amounts of alone time with into a conduit for contacting your dead wife who’s soul may or may not have been absorbed into said robot thereby recreating her into a death goddess who absorbs the souls of everyone on earth suddenly everybody thinks your a bad father.

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    Honestly, Vader’s probably the best one up there, even before his face turn at the end of Jedi. When he finds out his son is alive, the first thing he does is seek him out and try to get him to join the family business. Sure, they have a tense conversation which doesn’t end…great, but at least he’s trying to reach out. Compare that to Worf, who seems to genuinely hate his kid and spends the better part of two shows pawning him off on other people, and it’s not even close.

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        He is the definition of absentee father sending his kid off to be raised by his human grandparents and rarely if ever speaking of him. And when his kid is understandably upset about it Worf gets pissy at his son for having emotions about it.

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          they even gave him one episode because he made “alexander so weak” that worf was killed in the future by a rival faction, because alexander couldnt protect him because he was raised by hoomans.

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        But we why know he belongs here haha.

        Worf sends son away disappointed he’s not Klingon enough. Son comes back with his Klingon cranked to 11. Worf now disappointed son is not an orthodox Klingon warrior cast in his image 🤷‍♀️

        Plus he’s also a super shitty brother 👌

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    I’m not sure I’d call Ozai a good dad.

    Like, at least Vader had a redemption arc. Fuck, Zuko had a redemption arc. Not Ozai. Fuck that guy.

    His brother, Iroh, was a better dad…and he got his son killed!

    You want a good dad from the Avatar universe…it’s probably Tenzin…maybe Hakoda. Aang was an absent father who played favorites.

    The inventor guy in Ba Sing Se was a good dad too, his only flaw was that he was forced into helping the fire nation. His heart was in the right place, and he felt sincere remorse for the negatives. Just like Hakoda and Iroh. Not Ozai. Even Aang could be excused…like if there’s one job that’s more important than family, it’s probably “facilitating world peace” and “rebuilding your entire culture from a 99.999% genocide that happened when you were 10”

    Edit: I seriously thought I was in /r/daddit. Carry on.

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      His brother, Iroh, was a better dad…and he got his son killed!

      You know, I didn’t think about this and don’t remember if it’s been talked about, but was Iroh a good dad? He was a fierce general (or something) and a great warrior, until his son died, after which he changed. He’s an amazing uncle, of course, but that’s after his son’s death.

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        I got the sense that he was a great dad…he was just in deep with the fire nation propaganda. Lu Ten’s death snapped him out of it so much he abandoned his place in succession, yielding it to his younger brother. Not having an heir of his own kinda made the choice a bit easier.

        I got the impression that he took Zuko under his wing because he wanted to get a second shot, knowing that losing his son to the war wasn’t worth it. Zuko, before the exile, was the rightful heir to the throne. I think his spiritual awakening made him realize that de-brainwashing Zuko was the only way to restore order. He even explained, before Sozins Comet, that Zuko has to take the throne. It can’t be him, because that would ruin any chance of stability…regime change coming from the fire lords brother killing or arresting Ozai would spark huge division among top brass.

        I also thing most of the fire nation commoners…especially non-benders, knew deep down they were the baddies and were just trying to keep a low profile and survive. The kids kinda bought the propaganda from the schools but the parents would break that spell when the kid was old enough to understand. It kinda feels…relatable…as a parent of a kid who dislikes Columbus and pilgrims, and who rants around them of how history shafted Malcom but propped King up on a pedestal. They were equal parts responsible for the civil rights movement. Malcom was “plan B”. “The man” liked Plan A more. And for good reason. But Plan A wouldn’t have amounted to shit if Plan B weren’t on the table.

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        I don’t think there is enough info for us to really know. I feel like either him being an amazing father or him being a terrible one that changed from the despair of losing his son are both as likely.

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      shal tucker from full metal alchemist, at least the first series. he used his daughter to create a chimaera with thier doggo, in attempt to perform human transmuation because he was afraid of losing funding from the government, he was able to show him that they can talk so he kept his funding. i think the chimaera was in constant agony, so one of the other antagonist scar mercy killed the chimaera.

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      Trust me, if you really don’t know, it’s best to keep not knowing. The worst of the bunch, no doubt.

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      Its from Full Metal Alchemist. Dude fuses his daughter with her pet dog… I’ll just stop there.

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      A man so caught up in scientific inquiry and progress that he cares not for the people in his life, who he’s obligated to protect. He fuses his daughter with his dog, proclaiming his great achievement while the new chimera begs for death to be put out of its misery.

      The show explores subverting rules of the universe, life and death to a degree.

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    I honestly don’t think even Vader and Tywin deserve association with Shou Tucker and Cronos

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    bottom right? i was thinking the tsar that killed his son at first but no i remember his face was very shocked

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      While like someone said this is Saturn, you’re probably thinking of “Ivan The Terrible and His Son Ivan” by Ilya Repin. God I love that painting. The history is horrifying but the emotion captured in his eyes is just masterful

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      The honest answer is: we don’t know.

      The common name and interpretation is as the others already mentioned.

      But it is part of the so called black paintings of Goya. He created them at the end of his life when he was depressed, maybe insane and utterly lost all hope in humanity. He painted them inside a house on the walls and never showed them to anyone or talked about them. They were only found after his death, so we literally have no information about them.

      But they are all pretty haunting and have dark themes. And this one got memetic usage and was also often referenced and is therefore the best known one of the 14.