cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/49263187

Tim Sweeney claims it’s a “Scarlet Letter” which makes players “try to kill the game”

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has criticised rival Valve for forcing studios to disclose when they use AI in game development.

Epic recently showed how it was integrating AI into Unreal Engine 6.

Time Sweeney said:

“If you want to launch a game, and get it as widely publicized as possible, you’ve got to put it on Steam so people can wish list it, and if you want to play it on Steam, then you have to get this Scarlet Letter of AI attached to your product, and now there is a hater community trying to kill the game.

“I think it’s really irresponsible of Valve. They shouldn’t do it, because it makes it much, much, much harder for a game developer to have a chance of success. You have to choose from either not using tools that can make you way more productive, and probably failing due to competition that does.”

Which is totally ignoring the factor that the user should know about the purchase it makes and be able to decide for themselves. Transparency for the player is not a bad thing.

  • Soup@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    Super strong “If I told you who I really was you’d never have slept with me!” energy.

    It’s called consent. If people wouldn’t want to engage with the content unless they were misled in some way then that amounts to manipulation and a violation of trust. Looks like Epic Games just told the whole world that they would lie to their customers if they felt like the truth would give them too much choice.

    Fuck ‘em.

  • cley_faye@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    “Oh no, informing people allows them to decide for themselves, we can’t have that! I, sweeney whiney, must protect the world from informed decisions!”

    • Tim Sweeney, wearing is burger king cardboard crown screaming in front of his mirror alone.
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    12 hours ago

    Sugar labels on food didn’t stop their sales 🤷

    I don’t see it. Disclosure is always a good thing.

    Some people care, and they should have the option to choose. Not be misled, ignored, or lied to.

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    12 hours ago

    It’s really irresponsible for Tim Sweeney to be a such a fucking moron but he hasn’t stopped that yet.

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      6 hours ago

      He wouldnt understand responsibility if it fucked him in every orifice for like nine hours straight and read him to sleep while cuddling after.

      Or choked him with his own intestines or whatever thing I’m sure wed all rather imagine happening to him that might not necessarily aid understanding in an easily legible way.

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    15 hours ago

    So they can’t not use AI because they’ll lose out to studios that do (not sure about that one but whatever) but if they do use AI no one will buy the game.

    Pick one

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      1 day ago

      They give you lot of reasons to. For me it was a personal thing when I really started to hate Epic Games. 2019 Epic purchased the studio of Rocket League, when the game was in a hype phase and I played and enjoyed it very much on my Linux system. Shortly after they removed the Linux support for the game and then they also removed it from Steam as well. Due to an update of the game it was no longer viable to support it on Linux they said.

      This really really bugged me on a personal level. Today I think the game is playable on Linux, I don’t know exactly. But it requires Epic Games Launcher and probably account on them. To me the game is dead. And Epic killed it (for me).

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          11 hours ago

          No offense, but did you not read what I wrote? Edit: Sorry, that was rude by me. They had removed the game in the past from Steam and the Linux support. I think years later they added Linux support again, but I already moved on. While we seem to be able to play through Steam, the Epic Games Launcher still runs in the background and an Epic account is needed too (I think, is that true?). And no one can purchase it on Steam anymore.

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            10 hours ago

            All I know is, I bought it on release day on Steam, have played it throughout the whole epic thing and still do, through Steam. I don’t have epic installed on my pc. I don’t know about linux support, I don’t use it. It is however true that you can’t get it on steam anymore, but it is free on Epic. I might have linked my steam profile to epic in order to play, not sure though, it’s been a while.

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              When I say you need Epic Games launcher, then I don’t mean you have to install it yourself. Usually these launchers (like Ubisoft or Rockstar) are installing it in the background and require additional resources. As said I’m not sure if this is true for the Steam version here too. If you don’t play on Linux, then you didn’t have the Linux issues then I guess. That was my main complaint, as the they took away the native Linux version and made it for months or longer unplayable for me. And that was a time when I had a lot of fun before Epic ruined it for me. If it worked for you the whole time, then good for you.

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        1 day ago

        Yes! This is exactly why I too hate epic. They could throw a free game at me, I’d still buy it on steam. I have no intention of going where I’m not wanted.

        And I was just getting good at rocket league

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      1 day ago

      Sweeney doesn’t like games, he’s just into programming and game engines. That might help the disconnect between him and gamers.

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    21 hours ago

    If I am buying an “AI” game I’ll pay a couple of bucks and no more as there are no labour costs involved. If I’m buying from a company that supports human beings, I’ll pay about 50-100 bucks, depending on the game.

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      10 hours ago

      This is such a terrible take.

      Just because AI was used doesnt mean there’s wasn’t immense amount of human hours put into it.

      These flags cover more than ‘the entire game was vibe coded’