Also /c/modabuse. Also /c/yepowertrippinbastards. Also lemmy.ml/c/worldnews, comrade, ACAB, and 552 individual accounts across 67 instances, about half of them on lemmy.world.
None of this is in the source code. It’s downloaded at runtime from a file nobody has ever looked at.
If you’re just tuning in
Tesseract is a third-party web frontend for Lemmy, maintained by asimons04 and licensed AGPL-3.0. Admins deploy it on their own servers alongside or instead of lemmy-ui, and there are public instances of it people use to browse Lemmy generally. If you’ve used a Lemmy site that didn’t look like stock Lemmy, there’s a fair chance it was this.
Last week db0 posted a PSA: Tesseract contains a blacklist of instance domains compiled directly into the application. 32 of them. Admins can’t see it, can’t configure it, and aren’t told it’s there. Connect to a listed instance and the app tells you it’s “incompatible,” which is not true.
I went through the code to see how that was implemented. The hardcoded list turns out to be the small half of the system.
There’s a second filter policy fetched over HTTP every time the app loads. It isn’t in the git repository. It’s unauthenticated and world-readable, so anyone can pull it. Right now it carries 552 user accounts, 2,275 username patterns, 54 instances, 97 communities, 289 keyword patterns and 351 domains, with every category set to hide matches rather than flag them. Not collapsed behind a click. Simply absent, with no indication anything was removed.
Verify all of it in ten seconds
curl -s https://tesseract.dubvee.org/tesseract/api/system/policy \
| base64 -d | gunzip > policy.json
That’s the live policy, base64-wrapped gzip, 111KB of JSON when it unpacks. There’s a stale fallback copy at /data/policy.dat as well.
It filters criticism of moderators
lemmy.sdf.org/c/modabuse— listedlemmy.dbzer0.com/c/yepowertrippinbastards— listedlemmy.dbzer0.com/c/YPTBcirclejerk— listed- community regex
power ?tripping? - keyword
censoring me
Call the rest of it whatever you like. This part is not spam defence.
It filters words
The 32 community name patterns include Communis(t|m), Conservativ(e|es|ism), Leftis(t|m), Libertarian(ism)?, ^Green Part(y|ies), Zionis(t|m), (Police|Cops), guillotine and billionaire.
Keywords include comrade, ACAB, neoliberal, proletaria(n|t) and death to.
Filtered communities on instances that aren’t blocked: lemmy.ml/c/worldnews, lemmy.today/c/news, lemmy.ca/c/politicalnewscanada, lemmy.ca/c/usa, infosec.pub/c/strategic_unions.
The 552 users aren’t bots
67 instances. 272 on lemmy.world alone, 40 on sh.itjust.works, 19 on lemmy.ca, and 28 instances contributing exactly one person each.
355 of the 552 usernames are plain alphabetic, twelve characters or under, median length eight. Only 36 look like spam registrations. A bot list looks like the opposite of that.
Seven of them aren’t even Lemmy. There are Mastodon and Friendica accounts in there: people who have never used Lemmy, hidden by a Lemmy frontend, with no possible way of finding out.
I have the list and I’m not posting it. Most of these are ordinary people who got pattern-matched, and 552 names on this comm is a harassment target inside an hour. Run the command above and grep for yourself.
And it lies about it
When the instance block fires you get: “Incompatible Instance. Not Supported. $instance is not compatible with Tesseract.”
Nothing is incompatible. It’s a policy decision dressed as an API error, and it’s what had db0 chasing a version mismatch that never existed.
For the hidden users, communities and keywords, you get no message at all.
Admins can’t switch it off
Tesseract has env vars for PUBLIC_DOMAIN_BLACKLIST, PUBLIC_FAKE_NEWS_BLACKLIST and the shortener lists. There is none for either blocklist. enableToxicMode bypasses the other filters and explicitly not this one.
Self-host it and you cannot disable this, nothing in your config admits it exists, and the contents can change without you pulling a commit.
Before someone says it
A lot of that domain list is real spam defence. It filters conservatism as well as communism. “It targets the left” doesn’t survive the data and I’m not going to pretend it does.
The problem is that spam filtering and political editorial got welded into one undocumented, remotely-updatable blob, shipped hidden, to admins who’ve never read it and users who don’t know it’s there. The spam work is what makes the rest unauditable: “it’s a spam list” answers every individual question and none of the whole.
And /c/modabuse is not spam.
Asks
- Publish the runtime policy in the repo, or kill the endpoint.
- Stop reporting a policy block as a technical incompatibility.
- Tell users when something’s been hidden. One line.
- Give operators an off switch, like every other blacklist in the codebase has.
It’s AGPL-3.0 and db0 already forked it. That’s the licence working as designed. But forking isn’t disclosure, and the admins who need this are precisely the ones with no reason to go looking.
If you run Tesseract, you are relaying a 111KB moderation policy you have never read, under your instance’s name, to users who don’t know it exists.
Full contents of every list, unedited, in the comments.
Oh my god it’s actually way worse they’re using incredibly broad regular expressions to blacklist users. There’s a whole section for it.
If you just happen to have the same text in your username as a previously blacklisted user, you’re blacklisted automatically too. For example:
"^Fleure",If your username is Fleure_1998 or FleuresArePretty you’re going to be blacklisted.
Isn’t there a less draconian way to manage alt-account spam? This is casting the net over the whole ocean and eventually if that user regex list gets big and broad enough it’ll be near impossible to not be shadowbanned by default.
ALSO WHY IS YURI BLOCKED HELLO???
"^Article is paywalled.?$", "ACAB", ... "anarchistic", "biz@agoda.com", "billionaire [cock|dick]", "boot ?lick(ing|ers?)", ... "censoring me", "chatgip+ity+", "child-?rap(ing|ist)", "comrade", "conformist turd", "corpo ?(turd|slut|tech)", "death to", "dvdfab.cn", "enlightened centrist", "(epstein|epstien|pedo|pedophile)Sooo, they are pro-pedos, pro-billionares, pro-paywalled articles, anti-communism and anti-conservatism and get offended by “enlightened centrist”
Yup, they pretend to be centrist or smth
DisgustingAnd quoting this blacklist might’ve just seen you blacklisted from Lemmy.world, because irony is dead.
Lmao
Edit: got banned fr 💔
Edit: got unbanned after i sent 'em an email
This is wild, wtf are they doin’ over there.
Dunno, i wonder too, they also don’t even use the “site-wide ban” feature and instead decided to flood my entire modlog 💔
That’s actually how a site ban federates iirc
Oh my bad, i thought it would be something like
“You are banned from the instance XYZ because: rule”
That’s def something that should be changed by lemmy devs, do you happen to know if it’s something planned?
It’s already done, for 1.0 I think. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/5515#discussion_r2004068653
Yeah, I think there’s an issue somewhere
I had that happen “by accident” once. Shadow fixed me up afterwards. Must be easier to do than one would expect.
They definitely do the site side ban just don’t admit it
Yeah I’d try contacting the admins, or at least posting on YePowerTrippinBastards. Even LW needs to recognize that moderation by regex is fucking dumb.
I sent 'em an email, if i don’t get unbanned i am gonna make a post there for sure, it’s a very big problem, especially because 50% of the most used communities are on .world;
They are a big instance, they should moderate better IMOOn an unrelated note, think of your second-favorite username, and write it on a piece of paper.
on another unreleated note, i also have a 2nd home, just in case the first one goes on fire :P
As an instance admin crew we want to voice our protest over our entire instance not being on the list. We feel we had failed our users.
One of them managed to get on the individuals list tho, for posting one single thing; “To predict the future we must look at the past. How Rome slave economy could be a 1:1 parallel to artificial worker economy.”.
That is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever read.
Thanks for your work uncovering this. Imposing this broad and undisclosed censorship upon the user is unacceptable, so we have stopped hosting Tesseract on our instance.
Congrats! Db0 forked it in case you want to go back to a similar interface, but I think it’s still getting the censorship parts removed.
We would consider it if it has the blocklist function removed. Whether the fork gets ongoing maintenance is a concern though.
imagine how many other things like this exist in the fediverse and haven’t yet been discovered; i bet most never will be.
Correction. This is actually good news.
imagine how many other things like this exist on the
fediversecorporate web andhaven’t yetcan never be discovered.At least here in open source town we get to detect and tackle this shit
a huge majority fo the people in the open source town aren’t aware that these things keep popping up and think it’s just another “tankie conspiracy” unless their own instance admins share it fully… which is uncommon.
better yet: we KNOW corporate social media is fucking riddled to the bone with filters, hell people talk about “The Algorithm” (praise be) all the time.
And it’s just considered normal. It is how it is. Who cares.
I doubt there are very many, because most people don’t do these kinds of things, not even le evil tankies.
It only takes one to be successful.
I don’t think you should defend him. Integrating spam defense is a cover to censor his ideological opponents. The best lie is the one wrapped in truth. You shouldn’t frame any of what he did as being for good reasons. He hid it from the rest of us, made it look like an error message, and took steps to stop people from patching it out.
That’s no what someone with good intentions does. That’s what someone who knows it’s wrong but tries to hide it does. Including spam domains in it can be seen as a way of hiding the rotten stuff and it gives trolls like him something to point at when it gets criticized “It’s a spam blocklist, you must be a freeze peach troll if you’re against that”.
This is giving him too much charitability:
A lot of that domain list is real spam defence. It filters conservatism as well as communism. “It targets the left” doesn’t survive the data and I’m not going to pretend it does.
It’s honestly wild how many people on lemmy are giving this person the benefit of the doubt. As if they did it with good intentions.
Are people on this site really this naive?
Yes.
You could assume naïveté if they gave that benefit of doubt to everybody, but they don’t.
They’re just authoritarians and ‘anti communists’.
Given their misogynist brigading of comments criticizing the guilty party’s politics and pointing out that this is just their perfect practice, I’m willing to say they are not. If you can consider .world users people, which is quite a stretch.
If you can consider .world users people, which is quite a stretch.
How about we don’t dehumanize people.
Especially for simply using a different instance than you (literally the most populated one). That’s dumb.
I would never dehumanize people! .world users, though…
Hahahahaha dehumanization is funny!!
I don’t live in a society where I have the luxury of assuming anyone treats anyone like a person. Most are offended when I do. I’m not going to push against the current to make some internet asshole feel sanctimonious about some half considered shit they heard at a party once and are using to feel like they’re not part of the problem.
Real roundabout way of saying that you’re a piece of shit.
Good to know though I guess.
IDK. On Blahaj.zone, the main mod that runs all the trans subreddits will ban you if you don’t respect people who force you to engage with their depersonalization fetish.
Especially considering it’s this guy
Jesus Christ, this just makes me thankful that I never have to interact with that instance.
it’s on multiple instances and i suspect yours as well.
No it got taken off quickly when the shit hit the fan, there wasn’t a lot of spray afaict https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/45728788
I love how responsive lemmy admins are compared to corporate social media
Oh, I was referring to hexbear. After viewing the link and briefly seeing the cancer, it made me glad that my instance defederated
How dare they document the fascists on the website you also hate
Is that what they were doing? I was only there a few minutes, but all I saw was 4chan level “discourse” and unintelligible internet patois
As of around 7 hours ago, there’s a closed issue on the repo’s tracker from someone upset they were on the secret list, and the maintainer closed the issue stating that they’d make an official statement once everyone cooled off. Also that the issue tracker wasn’t the right place for that discussion.
This indicates that they are aware of the threads about this stuff here on Lemmy.
Please don’t dogpile the issue tracker, and give an opportunity for cooler heads to prevail. Trust that if they’re a piece of shit it won’t take long for them to confirm it (again) loud and clear. Not saying this isn’t a whole big bunch of bullshit, just that they should at least get a small opportunity to respond with their side.
If you hand someone a shovel and they use it to dig their hole deeper instead of filling it in, it’s even more fun to watch them fall in.
Trust that if they’re a piece of shit it won’t take long for them to confirm it (again) loud and clear. Not saying this isn’t a whole big bunch of bullshit, just that they should at least get a small opportunity to respond with their side.
Given the fact that he deliberately targeted trans/queer people with this list, I am uninterested in giving him the benefit of the doubt, and very much hope everyone switches to the db0 fork and he loses his whole project over his bigoted hubris.
Fair enough. I was more just trying to say that dogpiling on the guy wouldn’t change anything.
As far as them showing their ass again, I’m pretty sure that by the time you made this comment, they had already made their “public statement”. And doubled down.
They claim that the targeting of trans/queer places was due to the violent rhetoric they saw going on in the spaces. Surely it’s against deserving targets, but this guy feels that calling for the death of people isn’t ok no matter the target. Theoretically if there had been spaces not allowing that, they wouldn’t have blocked those ones.
We won’t know because the spaces that do exist do also allow it. Personally I think that people should be able to express those extreme emotions, and that other people shouldn’t be forced to see it if they don’t want to. Personal filters, potentially based off crowd-sourced lists are what makes sense to me. My issue with this whole thing is that they did it secretly, and did not actually give users options to opt-out. Then at that point there’s not even a point about arguing what the motivations were.
But as it stands, the guy’s an ass. And confirmed it in less than 12 hours.
The benefit of the doubt should be given when there is some doubt to be benefitted from. There is no doubt this person is pushing an agenda in the shadiest way possible.
Godfuckingdamnit. I was wondering why the system kept blocking our instance even after I removed it from the blacklist. I suspected some sort of lookup but I was out of time and couldn’t find it with a quick search. This is so much worse than I expected.
Where does it dowload it exactly? I found the line loading policy.dat, but I can’t find any calls to tesseract.dubvee.org.
Some other people said it’s in the github but obfuscated as base64
Ye there’s a local version but not a remote which is what I was concerned about
I would just take that frontend down entirely if you’re still hosting it. It’s basically malware at this point.
I’ve already forked and hosting my own version
Any reason the blacklist.ts is in your fork?
I’ve disabled it in code. One doesn’t delete files willy nilly
then rename it
exhibitA_blocklist.ts
This was an attack.
this is one of the most unhinged things I’ve seem on an open source project 😐
it used to be par for the course in the foss world as you could see torvalds’ rants targeting some developers and i suspect it never went away.
I thought piefed’s main developer crusade was pathetic enough. This is something else.
You elaborate on the piefed part ? I’m out of the loop
https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919
Edit: this one is better: https://lemmy.ml/post/47306551
Mum, I’m on the list!
Where’s the list I need to know if I’m a cool kid 😔
You’re not in the list. Your bot salary will be reduced this month, work harder next time.
😭😭
please sir, may i have some tokens before my context window-
Hello, how may i help you?
Run the command db0 provided. I can’t find you unfortunately.
I’m just curious when or why I was added 🤔
Check your modlog related to dubvee. Developer is that admin.
Absolutely nothing so they just go off what they saw in a random comment
I saw a funny weirdo saying that this person is just blocking “extremists”. How in the fuck doing this shit is not extreme extremist radical liberalism??? They like the status quo so much that they don’t want to see people complain about it LMAO
Blanket suppression of political topics tends to benefit the right.
Benefit the status quo, so yeah benefits the right.
I’ve read the list. It almost exclusively targets left-leaning topics.
Like I would have zero problems with developers that do this, if they could come out clearly and document/announce: “I don’t like these accounts or words, if you do then this is what you do to change it or shut it off.”
Stuff like Lemmy’s word list, Piefed’s default blocklist, you can turn off or change the words. Even if I think the daily vote quota is a stupid default on setting, if you’re a Piefed admin and don’t like that, set the limit to 10000, 99999999 or whatever. I usually have tons and tons of sympathy for FOSS devs, take their side and give the benefit of doubt in grey areas. They work for free and share it for free so I don’t expect perfection or how I would want things to be.
Undocumented shit like this, intentionally hidden is way past the line, and I have no patience for it whatsoever. You never know when this could be somehow used as an attack vector.
I’d add on that stuff like this should NOT be the default (unless that is specifically what you advertise your software for, and even then you should give a clear option to disable or change it), because users (even admins using the software for their instance) will generally not configure things much.
What should be done is have it as an opt-in, or prompt the user to pick an option.If one believes their blocklist/filter is in good faith and beneficial to others and to the world in general, then one shouldn’t feel a need to force others to use it, only inform them that it exists.
Following best practice would be ideal, I agree with you, but for FOSS projects I can settle for best effort, and ability to configure/correct any serious errors if it is brought up constructively. Every dev has their own biases and they make tools to fit their needs, not necessarily everyones. Like if it was by accident that a personal filter was pushed to all instances, and then immediately fixed when made public, personally, I could forgive the dev for the mistake. But available evidence shows this was not a mistake, and intentionally hiding things this dev didn’t like, pushing the upstream changes without telling anyone.
That’s exactly where I’m at. I don’t align with a lot of the choices Rimu makes for Piefed, but I am 100% for him designing a tool that works for him, even when the defaults he chooses don’t align with my preferences. As long as I have the option to disable/change them as an admin, then I’d rather see a passionate dev creating tools that they want to use than a burned out dev creating something their heart isn’t invested in.
Unfortunately, tesseract isn’t that…
Stuff like Lemmy’s word list
Lemmy’s slur filter is disabled by default. It’s opt-in at the admin level, and most instances don’t opt for it, including your own I believe.
I don’t know why this molehill keeps being made into a mountain.
One note/minor correction, it is in the git repo: https://github.com/db0/tesseract/commits/main/static/data/policy.dat
You can see when asimons04 changed the static base64 filter .dat file. The changes happen in completely unrelated or nondescript commits. Looking at the commit when it was implemented, it does say filter, but the error messages and code comments creating the folder indicate “cache” folder creation, when the variable name and function is for the policy, which might technically be correct, is misleading and is quite suspect to me.
Yeah, I really wanted to believe this was just a personal filter list that got included accidentally, but there’s no fucking shot. The way it’s implemented and intentionally obfuscated means there’s no way in hell this isn’t entirely intentional.
Like I would have zero problems with developers that do this, if they could come out clearly and document/announce: “I don’t like these accounts or words, if you do then this is what you do to change it or shut it off.”
Given that the list very clearly targets queer users for being queer (entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance blocked), you are being far too charitable with an obviously bad faith actor.
If they come out and say they don’t like blahaj.zone for bigoted reasons, let them, don’t support their project, done. I’ll defend blahaj.zone’s strictly enforced any pronoun policy as much as a dev who clearly chooses to include or exclude certain instances by default, as long as the intentions are clear, not hidden away and easily rectifiable for your needs. What I am saying is a breach of trust is worse than bigotry, which itself is worse than mere ideological disagreements. A < B < C.
You can read into how you like the presence of certain instances/words/users on the blocklist, but putting BZ on a blocklist = bigot seems to me like a jump to conclusion.
you are being far too charitable with an obviously bad faith actor.
Like I said, I afford FOSS devs lots of grace and benefit of doubt, that’s just me, if the issue was solely over the choice of instances being blocked by default, I’d excuse it, but that isn’t the main issue. Call me too charitable, sure, it’s in my nature and you don’t have to be me.
The issue is the blocklist was hidden away in base64, not documented anywhere, while constantly being updated, without any justification (like pulling from a public spamlist), and was secretly affecting every server’s Tesseract frontend. It was the trust that the so-called “Toxic mode” could remove all filtering, but it didn’t, and the trust that connection errors were simply configuration problems and not intentionally obfuscated filtering routines, these formed the trust that was broken.
You can read into how you like the presence of certain instances/words/users on the blocklist, but putting BZ on a blocklist = bigot seems to me like a jump to conclusion.
I will, and I consider you willfully ignorant for not doing so. Consider the probability distribution of likely motivations for drawing up a secret blacklist that specifically targets queer communities and anyone to the left of “let’s hunt immigrants for sport”. The majority of that distribution is gonna be bigotry.
Like I said, I afford FOSS devs lots of grace and benefit of doubt, that’s just me, if the issue was solely over the choice of instances being blocked by default, I’d excuse it, but that isn’t the main issue. Call me too charitable, sure, it’s in my nature and you don’t have to be me.
Interesting choice to give the developer who already violated user trust by imposing a secret blacklist the benefit of the doubt on their bigotry. Seems like that would lose them the benefit of the doubt if you were being intellectually honest.
It was the trust that the so-called “Toxic mode” could remove all filtering, but it didn’t, and the trust that connection errors were simply configuration problems and not intentionally obfuscated filtering routines, these formed the trust that was broken.
Requiring users to enable “toxic mode” in order to access queer spaces isn’t evidence of bigotry to you?
Interesting choice to give the developer who already violated user trust by imposing a secret blacklist the benefit of the doubt on their bigotry.
I never did that, sorry I kind of suggested I did in my last reply, when I meant in general to devs that don’t break peoples’ trust. In a vacuum, a configurable blocklist with biased defaults is acceptable, even if I wouldn’t set it myself that way. Their work, their choice. However, it is specifically the concealment of the biased defaults that is the breach of trust which calls into question the dev’s motivations.
Requiring users to enable “toxic mode” in order to access queer spaces isn’t evidence of bigotry to you?
Alone, no, that would be mere speculation, if combined with the shady practice or if you have antiLGBTQ quotes then yes, I could say that fact potentially supports that conclusion. Consider that blahaj.zone is not the only LBGTQ+ safe space on Lemmy (see beehaw !lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org). Any admin or dev could have beef with Ada, not with queer folks, that could be motivation to block blahaj.zone. I never gave the tesseract dev that grace, because that blocklist with blahaj was never publicized, until the clandestine filter list was discovered and decoded.
Lol the keywords list is hilarious, imagine publishing a list of things that rustle your jimmies.
Wow this “policy” has 3700 lines in total. It must take a lot of time to create and maintain it. How does someone even find the time for that?
I tried to access some blocked users and communities via tesseract.dubvee.org and it simply shows a generic “Not Found” error. So this is impossible to figure out for the average user. Even for developers it would be hard to figure out if the JSON file was hidden a bit better.
They put a specific regex thing after my name, specifically, just in case I ever make accounts with the same username but different numbers after it?
They also alphabetically sorted it all which was very nice of them.
lol the guy shuttered his instance and only links to
This is his at least second dramatic exit from lemmy https://lemmy.zip/post/43721937
So asimons04 is ptz@dubvee.org?
Edit: and also is AdmiralPatrick?
yes
Wait, “the majority of people calling for violence don’t even live here” - Does he think people live on the Fediverse?
He is talking about US. He is telling non-USians to shut up about US politics if they don’t agree with him.
Now it goes to startrek.website
Still goes to that image for me.
