Good, bad, fascist, whatever, doesn’t matter, to a disagreement on nomenclature. A biologically functioning body with a working ATP cycle, isn’t a corpse. Ethics and morality are irrelevant.
“Is brain death death” and “is a brain-dead person a corpse” are two different questions. The answer to the first is yes, the second is no. You can be dead, but until your body starts decomposing it’s not a corpse.
That’s simple not correct. A corpse would have more rights to autonomy. You can’t force a corpse to donate live saving organs, but you can make a woman.
A brain dead body isn’t a person, but that doesn’t make it a corpse. All the biological functions continue. The ATP cycle continues. The body takes in nutrients and uses them to maintain their normal biological functions. Corpses don’t do that.
Actually we do have a pretty solid biological definition for life.
That which takes in nutrients, processes them to support itself, and expells waste products. Anything that dose those things is life. That’s why viruses aren’t considered alive. They don’t do those things.
The person part you’re right, is more philosophical. I only mention it because it seems to better fit what people are calling “dead” in this case.
The conversation is about human death. The question is at what point is a human being considered dead. If cellular function is brought into it, then a rotting corpse is teeming with bacterial life.
You are right that biological functions of the human body can continue well past the point that someone would be broadly considered dead. I just think that a lack of brain function is a good classification of when to consider that someone has died.
The conversation is about what makes a “corpse”.
If the brain dead body still performs the majority of its biological functions, that’s not really a corpse.
They’re not exactly the best at making that whole “alive or dead” call.
Natasha Miller says she was getting ready to do her job preserving donated organs for transplantation when the nurses wheeled the donor into the operating room.
She quickly realized something wasn’t right. Though the donor had been declared dead, he seemed to her very much alive.
“He was moving around — kind of thrashing. Like, moving, thrashing around on the bed,” Miller told NPR in an interview. “And then when we went over there, you could see he had tears coming down. He was crying visibly.”
The donor’s condition alarmed everyone in the operating room at Baptist Health hospital in Richmond, Ky., including the two doctors, who refused to participate in the organ retrieval, she says.
"The procuring surgeon, he was like, ‘I’m out of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it,’ " Miller says. “It was very chaotic. Everyone was just very upset.”
Miller says she overheard the case coordinator at the hospital for her employer, Kentucky Organ Donor Affiliates (KODA), call her supervisor for advice.
"So the coordinator calls the supervisor at the time. And she was saying that he was telling her that she needed to ‘find another doctor to do it’ – that, ‘We were going to do this case. She needs to find someone else,’ " Miller says. “And she’s like, ‘There is no one else.’ She’s crying — the coordinator — because she’s getting yelled at.”
They will if they’re getting leaned on politically, but you are right in that he’s not sitting in a bed, they’ll just shove him into the morge if they have one.
And they can likely keep him like that for years, because it’s machines doing all the work.
No one can pressure the hospital to do anything, as long as the checks keep clearing, they’ll keep the machines running.
What can (and is) being done, is the Governor requesting proof that McConnell is capable of fulfilling his duties from McConnell’s office
They want to stall till August 4th, because if McConnell is declared incompetent before then, it triggers a special election which allows Maise to run as an independent after losing the Republican primary.
On 8/4/26 they can say McConnell is incompetent to hold office, and the normal election will happen which Maise can’t run in.
This entire show is because Trump doesn’t want Maise to run, because if he does a Dem will likely win and if not it’ll be Maise.
But Beshar (KY governor) asking for Mitch’s status is what prompted all the Republicans to spend 20 minutes talking at his unresponsive body over a phone. That’s why they reacted
He’s not dead.
Comatose, non-responsive, vegetable? Probably.
But the hospotal isn’t going to keep a rotting corpse for a month.
Disagree. They made a corpse deliver a baby against the family’s wishes. The people in charge are pure evil
That’s not physically possable.
I think you have a different idea what corpse is.
Disagree. Disgusting fascist take but ok Steve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriana_Smith_pregnancy_case
How does this have upvotes? Calling someone fascist for thinking a living body isn’t a corpse? Man this place is such a shit hole sometimes.
I understand the fascist comment earlier, this time not sure how you define it?
Good, bad, fascist, whatever, doesn’t matter, to a disagreement on nomenclature. A biologically functioning body with a working ATP cycle, isn’t a corpse. Ethics and morality are irrelevant.
brain dead is considered dead.
no matter if cells still have atp.
it’s a corpse.
there’s no biological definition for human death. besides a vague “is it curable”
death used to be cardiac death, but we figured out how to save people who had cardiac death, so we move the goalpost to brain death.
It’s literally not a corpse, it’s a brain-dead person / body.
You started this debate with Steve by using sensationalizing language, and I’m here to provide definitions and lay this discussion to rest:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/brain-dead?q=Braindead
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/corpse?q=Corpse
We can all agree that what they’ve done is horrible, there’s no need to distort language to make a point.
A corpse can not carry a pregnancy, a brain-dead body apparently can if assisted.
I’ll see myself out.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4206160/
“Is brain death death” and “is a brain-dead person a corpse” are two different questions. The answer to the first is yes, the second is no. You can be dead, but until your body starts decomposing it’s not a corpse.
That’s simple not correct. A corpse would have more rights to autonomy. You can’t force a corpse to donate live saving organs, but you can make a woman.
If brain dead is dead bacteria are dead.
A brain dead body isn’t a person, but that doesn’t make it a corpse. All the biological functions continue. The ATP cycle continues. The body takes in nutrients and uses them to maintain their normal biological functions. Corpses don’t do that.
that isn’t biology, it’s philosophy.
we don’t have a good definition of What’s alive either
Actually we do have a pretty solid biological definition for life.
That which takes in nutrients, processes them to support itself, and expells waste products. Anything that dose those things is life. That’s why viruses aren’t considered alive. They don’t do those things.
The person part you’re right, is more philosophical. I only mention it because it seems to better fit what people are calling “dead” in this case.
Brain death is death. He’s dead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death
If brain death is dead, single cell organisms are dead.
We’re not single called organisms
Of course not. But the definition of death you gave, doesn’t distinguish between forms of life.
The conversation is about human death. The question is at what point is a human being considered dead. If cellular function is brought into it, then a rotting corpse is teeming with bacterial life.
You are right that biological functions of the human body can continue well past the point that someone would be broadly considered dead. I just think that a lack of brain function is a good classification of when to consider that someone has died.
The conversation is about what makes a “corpse”.
If the brain dead body still performs the majority of its biological functions, that’s not really a corpse.
Yeah the current definition pretty much says a lot of dead stuff together is making one living being
Shit, it’s Kentucky hospital too…
They’re not exactly the best at making that whole “alive or dead” call.
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/16/nx-s1-5113976/organ-transplantion-mistake-brain-dead-surgery-still-alive
I guess we should be surprised Mitch isn’t an organ donor tho…
They will if they’re getting leaned on politically, but you are right in that he’s not sitting in a bed, they’ll just shove him into the morge if they have one.
Nothing political about it…
He can be “alive” like Terry Schiavo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
And they can likely keep him like that for years, because it’s machines doing all the work.
No one can pressure the hospital to do anything, as long as the checks keep clearing, they’ll keep the machines running.
What can (and is) being done, is the Governor requesting proof that McConnell is capable of fulfilling his duties from McConnell’s office
They want to stall till August 4th, because if McConnell is declared incompetent before then, it triggers a special election which allows Maise to run as an independent after losing the Republican primary.
On 8/4/26 they can say McConnell is incompetent to hold office, and the normal election will happen which Maise can’t run in.
This entire show is because Trump doesn’t want Maise to run, because if he does a Dem will likely win and if not it’ll be Maise.
But Beshar (KY governor) asking for Mitch’s status is what prompted all the Republicans to spend 20 minutes talking at his unresponsive body over a phone. That’s why they reacted
Massie
Every hospital has a morgue. They deal with too many dead people daily, they aren’t going to be moving them out every time someone dies.
Besides, they won’t leave bodies sitting in beds they could use for living, paying, patients.
Yeah and the sitting president wouldn’t possibly fuck a child…
Those realy are the same thing. You’re right 🙄
Hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to make your perception of reality make sense to you…
They aren’t going to let him rot. That isn’t connected to the possibility of him ever regaining consciousness whether a replacement is called for.
I don’t think anyone here thinks he’s literally just sitting out on a hospital bed flat lined.
No, but there’s a decent chance he might be laying in a morgue fridge in the hospital basement.
They could lie about him being there
That’s certainly true
Lie? The government? Heaven forbid!