• shplane@lemmy.world
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    I hope you’re right. I feel this country’s rampant sexism is far worse than its rampant racism. Either way, AOC is facing both forms of bigotry

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      It’s not

      Venn diagram of racism and sexism is pretty much a single circle. And they’d treat an old white straight catholic conservative male just as badly.

      Don’t listen to the neoliberals who blame Hillary and Harris’ lose on sexism. They lost due to their conservative policies and almost conplete lack of charisma and authenticity.

      AOC is essentially the complete opposite in those regards

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        Hillary lost because of a multi-decade campaign against her by the right wing propaganda machines.

        Sexism played a role in Harris’ loss but overall her issue wasn’t focusing on economic populism.

        AOC faces a similar level of hate from right wing media.

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          Hillary lost because of a multi-decade campaign against her by the right wing propaganda machines.

          Hillary lost because the only voting demographic that hates her more than Republican voters, is Dem voters.

          For valid reasons related to her unpopular policy and zero charisma.

          It doesn’t matter how many comments you make denying it, people started paying attention to politics again.

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            Hot take: you’re both right.

            Right-wing spin machine had been after Hillary for years. It severely damaged her campaign.

            Hillary had no appeal to 60% of the Dem base. It severely damaged her campaign.

            AOC faces the same threat from the right-wing spin machine, but she has good policies to sell to the base.

            Sexism and racism will factor in, of course, but the strongest opposing force is the billionaire news outlets.

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              It’s also important to note why Biden won. Trump was president and everything sucked. Four years later, dealing with long term consequences of Trump still and waiting for Biden’s longer term planning to kick in there was dissatisfaction and blame was thrown. People remembered how nice 2017 and such were economically and thought “well 2020 was the pandemic” and forgot that everything was getting worse in 2019.

              So we’re in a precarious position and we said “let the clown run the circus again”. And so we got crammed into the little car and he drove us off a fucking cliff, just like he promised to.

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        Didn’t Obama basically have the same platform? If anything, Hillary ran on healthcare for all while Obama didn’t in 2008. He’s certainly more charismatic and had the image of “not a typical politician”, which helped him win that primary, plus but I think he benefited from W’s economic mess and McCain unwillingness to be an asshole on the campaign trail, unlike Trump with Hillary and Kamala

        But honestly, I’m speaking anecdotally. It’s been extremely depressing how many people have told me that a woman can’t be president because being on her period will make her nuke china. But maybe people just think it’s okay to be sexist out loud more than racist these days.

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        Thank you for saying this. I’m a pretty aggressive feminist but I think this desire to paint the losses of Harris and Clinton on sexism alone is dangerously reductive. I strongly feel like until neoliberals categorize women losing as an individual losing and not an entire gender losing we won’t have real success there. Like, when McCain lost no one was like: WOE MEN CANT WIN it’s OVER for white men boohoo!!

        I hate when they do this boohoo shit over women while running the least charismatic rat fucked campaigns. Wearing pink and holding a sign when they need people wearing red white and blue and open carrying the constitution with brimstone fire.

        That being said, I genuinely in my heart think that AOC has a chance. As long as the controlled opposition doesn’t rat fuck her

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      Hillary did win the popular vote. By a lot.
      People aren’t remotely as sexiest as you think. It’s just that 2% is all it takes to lock in an election pretty well

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        I think that’s called being a good person but don’t bother telling the republicans that