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    AMERICA! IS FUCKED! NEVER COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE FUCKING DAY YEAH!

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    “Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil,” Vice President JD Vance said in a post on X Saturday night.

    Big yikes. “Insurrectionists”? Bloody hell.

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      How is a peaceful protest in LA an “Insurrection,” while violently attacking cops and raiding the Capitol to stop the certification of the vote, is not?

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        Conservatism was the original reactionary movement, and it essentially sought to restore the nobility within democracy, complete with the different rules applying to said ingroup. Modern conservatism only differing in the sense that its supporters really want to become part of said ingroup.

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          conservatism/liberterinism,dont realize the ingroups, are the oligarchs only.

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    Anyone remember what this was from?

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”

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        Well then everyone the conservatives don’t like need to start arming up before they realize the gun control they always wanted exists, but only to keep “mental ill” people from buying them and the only things considered illnesses are things conservatives don’t like.

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          Breaking through the mental wall for anti-2A liberals unfortunately only happens once it’s too late to get effective training, if it happens at all…

          A gun/gear group I know of recently tried to donate money to a charity for queer folks in the the south. The charity denied the donation because “they don’t take money from anyone who uses firearms for work” (paraphrased).

          Let’s take a moment to digest that.

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            I recently got a small group of gay/trans/ally/hiking friends to a range and I think it’s going to be a more regular thing. I have a couple and another person had several, and the range does rentals. One of us (who’d never even fired a gun) has a small piece of property and they ended up trying/purchasing a little 10/22 to take out to their property to start trying to get some small game. I’m deep in the a red state though so convincing more on-the-fence/marginalized people to protect themselves isn’t hard given the right conversation.

            I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

            The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It’s really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they’re winning.

            The coup was successful, they’re in power and if they don’t want to give it up they won’t.

            Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.

            https://www.dsausa.org/
            https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/
            https://socialistra.org/
            https://generalstrikeus.com/
            https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network
            https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/
            https://mutualaidhub.org/

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      Yeah, But it was never intended to stop things from happening from the inside. Whoever ends up on the opposite side of the military in the end is going to lose.

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        It depends on how many people end up on the opposite side. Tens, hundreds, for sure. Thousands, likely. Tens of thousands, not so certain. Hundreds of thousands, I don’t know. If the army starts shooting to kill any significant numbers of Americans, things are going to get very interesting.

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        I predicted over six months ago that the US wouldn’t make it past July 4th, 2025. Only a few weeks away and reporters are being shot by police and posse comitatus has been violated. Soon the actual armed forces of your nation will be in the streets and you will have a choice to make.

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          No, they’ll keep escalating through next summer. By then, we’ll have had hyperinflation, food shortages, Luigi’s trial, deportations of naturalized/ birthright citizens, arrests of elected officials, etc. and things will get really ugly. That’s when the MAGA Nazis will have their Tiananmen Square moment, probably in multiple cities, and HitlerPig will declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election for the first time in American history. That will protect his Congressional majorities, and keep the Democrats from gaining any investigative, subpoena, or arrest powers. Once elections are suspended, he’s president forever.

          THAT will be the end.

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          Meh…this reminds me of the Portland riots a few years ago. Shit was crazy and really intense but the U.S. didn’t fall apart if that is what you are alluding to. We just kept on picking up our shovels and shovelling shit.

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            Portland doesn’t control anything in the US. It’s not even among the top 10 cities. LA is a totally different deal.

            Even LA won’t mean the end of the government, but a military attack on one of the biggest cities in America is a enormous warning to the resistance that the MAGA Nazis are willing to do ANYTHING.

            If any other nation launched a military attack on LA, we would absolutely consider it an act of war, and if the MAGA Nazis use the military against American citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights, ALL American citizens should also consider it an act of war against us by our own government.

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    Holy fuck. Some finally have the balls to stand up and fight and a bunch of you are all…this is wrong. Escalation and violence is not ok…or…but they have so many big guns.

    Your country is run by a fucking dictator. Your own people are being forcefully removed from their homes and families and put in concentration camps.

    Unbelievable.

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      I have leveled some pretty strong words at Americans in the past- but it wasn’t until this year that they really revealed themselves as a nation of utter cowards.

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    So glad I never joined the National Guard cause I would definitly refuse to go, and if forced, join the side of of the ones fighting ICE.

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    Well, we always knew #RATM were right, but no one expected yet another playbook decades after this album was released in 1999. It all feels that unreal… 😔

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      “I liked them before they got all political” – Some Republican dumbass.

      I can only assume they thought Bulls on Parade was about a family holiday to the beach.

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      Threaten the 4th largest economy in the world with leverage you don’t really have. Encourage escalation tactics for illegal detainment of peoples under the jurisdiction and protection of the Constitution. Ignore the Constitution and normalize the absurd use of the term deportation. Cry about it on social media and then throw a fit and send troops to peaceful protests ( as per LAPD ).

      Frail ideology.

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    “…The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.*

    -Karis Nemik, Andor

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      When I was seven, I learned a lesson from Cube and Eazy-E What was it again? Oh yeah, fuck the police

      I was actually a teenager but the sentiment…

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      +1…The original boombox used tape cassettes and most with two for playing and recording. Don’t forget your roller skates too.

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      Could i interest you in a very loud WOOP WOOP. That’s the sound of the police. Or possibly a WOOP WOOP. That’s the sound of the beast.

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    If this turns into an American Tiananmen Square, you’re going to end up knocking a star off that flag.

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      It depends on whether we’re allowed to talk about it in 5 years.

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        The rest of the world is watching and will be talking about it even if the “land of the free” isn’t allowed to.

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          Absolutely you are, We will too.

          The key difference between tiananmen square and what’s going on right now will be whether US citizens are prohibited from talking about it in 5 years.

          If you are citizens aren’t prohibited then it wasn’t a tiananmen square.

          Right now, 50/50 maybe 60/40

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      Most of the people on this site that cheer this on also happen to be the ones who think that the Tiananmen Square massacre didn’t happen, and if it did then it was a good thing.

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      I mean the Nazis aren’t going to go ohh my bad we should have another try at the election.

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      Well, we won’t call it that. Vietnam was techincally “a police action”, but we all know it was a war. This police action will get folks killed in an effort to take prisoners, which sure sound like a…

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      I just don’t see how a civil war could start. It’s not like back in the day where you could just amass an army without the state really knowing

      The amount of intel the state has means that nothing will get off the ground

      I guess if like a state and it’s national guard would revolt and other states join them? Seems very unlikely though

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        Since there is a lot of fictions between dems and republicans and there is many gun owners in the usa some people could decide to use arms to counter ice and republicans could side with ice and do the same

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      That is exactly how we embolden fascism. Madison advocated for a well-regulated militia, not 1-2% of the population throwing cinder blocks and M80s. We needed numbers before allowing them to bait us into escalation.

      Hegseth has the Marines standing by, and the Insurrection Act will be next. This is Trump’s Reichstag Fire.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

      Edit: Please share this.

      Oath

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            It’s going to be really surreal when they do start putting people in camps and they’re just packed with very surprised white liberals wearing full clown makeup

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              They can’t do that legally right now. If they tried, the military would defend us, not follow the unconstitutional orders of POTUS. That would change if we become a domestic threat.

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        They don’t need any actual justifications to “embolden” them, in the absence of actual resistance they’ll just lie to justify doing exactly what they were always planning in doing, this is not s good reason to passively accept anything they’re doing

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          I watched it happen all day yesterday. Protesters are throwing rocks through windows of vehicles as they drive by. They’re lighting M80s and throwing them at the agents.

          The VAST majority is peaceful. Many are throwing rocks. A few are taking even further.

          I get that they’re pissed, but this isn’t the solution. Refusing to walk into a trap isn’t cowardice, it’s strategy.

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            You watched and learned nothing, resistance isn’t a trap and your passivity won’t save you

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              I never said resistance was a trap. I said violent resistance was. Violence will hand Trump his Reichstag Fire on a silver platter.

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                Nonviolent “resistance” is worthless, idk what part of “they will make shit up anyway” you’re not understanding

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                  Trump is itching to enact the Insurrection Act. That will make growing our numbers far more difficult. Meanwhile, you’re advocating losing resisters to incarceration, scaring people back into their homes due to unsafe protest conditions, while giving Trump the justification he needs to strip our rights.

                  Do you always think with your feelings? You should try your brain. Logic and strategy know no cowardice. They only know how to outthink the opposition.

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        They’ve been lying about violence and crime to get us here. Even if every protestor backed up every time ICE stepped forward, they would find an excuse to escalate.