cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/31344860
Disregard all rules, Get this to anyone you know in the US military now
A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
it hasn’t been silently taken over to disappear anyone that disobeys?
I dont think so, but If you think it has, contact JAG. Went to lookup if they have hotline, CAL GAURD JAG was apparently a trending search…
no hotline but front desk # for CAL GAURD JAG is 916-854-3505
not the same thing but UCMJ reports and legal questions are JAG’s bread and butter
The nazi soldiers were just following orders man idk what else to say. They were basically innocent.
Don’t expect that to make a difference. Only 199 were tried at Nuremberg.
But over 3.5 Million were investigated, removed from office or faced trial in the so called “Entnazifizierung”
The smart/useful ones faced no consequences.
Arthur Rudolph and Werner von Braun should have been hanged.
While most of the Austrian Nazis got away with plenty of bullshit and murder.
this is a tweet from 2020: https://xcancel.com/CianMW/status/1267890378276876288
but, the organization which operates that hotline is still active: https://girightshotline.org/
Reminder that “I was only following orders” is not a valid defence. It wasn’t at Nuremberg, and it isn’t now.
Here’s the part that scares me. The only reason those trials happened at all were other countries stepped in. Who will defeat USA and hold them accountable in a worst case scenario?
There’s a reason we are 50 loosely coupled states.
Define “loosely”. You really think there’s more than maybe 3 or 4 states that’d have a chance to sustain themselves on their own? And if a bunch of states would stick together against the others, you’ve got civil war reloaded. With drones, nukes, and blackhawks. Fun times.
That’s the point. No other country could take us. It’d be a civil war.
And yeah, horrible for everyone involved.
Climate change will defeat everyone soon if we don’t stop blowing through all of our deadlines.
I’m well aware but the people that have the ability to influence that couldn’t care less. It’s kind of like worrying about a nuclear war at this point, if it happens we’re all pretty much dead, and 99% of us aren’t part of the decision to launch them.
I’ve done/do as much activism on climate change that I can in the last 20 years. It’s basically as pointless as petitioning those in power to dismantle their nuclear bombs. No one in power is interested.
How many decades you want to wait before there’s any change?
You underestimate the strength of the 3rd Reich. It was something.
No country on Earth can hold its own if the rest of the world bands against it. If the US go ballistic, they’ll fall.
I’m more scared of whoever is in charge then taking the whole world with them using the big red button.
Your final sentence is the point. We didn’t have 1000s of nukes worldwide back then. If no one will dare to stop Russia attacking Ukraine with any meaningful amount of force under threat of nuclear war, why would anyone attack USA?
What about North Korea? Everyone knows what’s going on there isn’t right, but I don’t see the world banding together to overthrow their government and change things.
I think the 100 men vs bear meme is pretty relevant here as well. It’s one thing to say IF every country bands together they can take on USA, it’s another thing entirely to say you could get the world to all agree to that at once. And whoever makes the first move would likely be decimated.
And you’re right, if USA is backed entirely into a corner, Trump is crazy enough to press the nuke button. All it takes is him getting a few high up fanatics to go along with it. So the bear is also wearing a dead man’s switch.
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What does GI stand for?
General Infantry. I believe it’s a classification in the US Army, but it basically just means soldier.
Gastrointestinal.
General Infantry
Well actually: “It was originally an initialism used in U.S. Army paperwork for items made of galvanized iron.[2] The earliest known instance in writing is from either 1906[3] or 1907.[2]” Also later on re-interpreted as “government issued” etc. but I guess today it just means US army soldier
In military/national defense contexts, it’s usually referring to General Infantry
For completeness, Glycemic Index. In this case General Infantry though.
Glycemic Index Joe, reporting for duty
gastrointestinal Joe always reports for dooty
I think it is actually generally short for “Government Issue” as a kinda a reference that they are government issue like everything else in a soldiers life
Apparently, it originally stood for galvanized iron based on the Wikipedia links shared elsewhere in this thread.
Without looking it up I think it’s government issued. Or that’s what I learned or made up as a kid. Probably wrong.
In before this hotline is closed down or subverted.
Good news! It’s still up a day later!
What would make anyone look at the last 80 years of US foreign policy, and not realize they’ve been following illegal orders the entire time? You think this is where they’ll draw the line?
This is a domestic issue, not foreign policy.
No, you just don’t understand how the two are intertwined.
Oh – sorry, I understand the protests are about immigration, which is not exactly a domestic issue. I’m talking about the deployment of the national guard.
The deployment of the military domestically, using tactics and technology that were field tested in Israel and US battlefields, is inextricably linked to our foreign policy.
The implication that there is any division between the two topics is insanely obtuse.
I was expecting you to have a much deeper connection than just “it’s the same tactics.” Like yeah obviously if you learn something in one place you can apply it to another similar situation.
Same tactics, same soldiers, same commanders, same weapons, same policies…
What’s different, besides the location? Only difference I see is that the rules of engagement are much stricter for soldiers abroad, while demonically they can fire on anyone they want and attack the press without consequence.
Right, but my point was that the location is different. The OP’s image contains this text, which you might not have noticed:
violate the Constitutional rights of US citizens
Anyway, if your point is that “GIs aren’t going to care about the fact that these are US citizens,” then I more or less agree with you.
…and that hotline goes directly to POTUS landing you on some list
/s, but not really
Don’t blame the soldiers. Blame the politicians.
I went to Afghanistan. Does that mean that the war is my fault?
Newsom has the same power to control the situation as much as Trump. Both sides pander to their base.
Also, fuck Bush for extending our tour just for more soldiers to die.
I can understand deporting violent criminals. But people who are contributing to society in a positive way? Seems counterproductive to the mission of protecting communities.
Illegal immigration is still a crime, however. People who arent a criminal after that should be given a second chance if they’re productive members of society.
Oh well.
Don’t blame the soldiers.
The State is deploying National Guard troops on community members to defend ICE. I said nothing about assigning blame to anyone, but now that you mentioned it, I will emphatically blame National Guard members who follow this disgusting order. Otherwise, I don’t care about assigning blame to anyone at the moment.
It depends. No, the war isn’t your fault. These troops in California being commandeered by the feds aren’t immediately the bad guys.
But if they’re told to shoot at a bunch of protesters, and then they do, well then they’re suddenly the bad guy.
Yeah if the Boston massacre was enough so would this be.
“Illegal immigration” actually isn’t a crime, it’s a civil infraction — like a speeding ticket.
Simply being ordered to Kent State wasn’t the soldiers fault.
The ones antagonizing students and eventually pulling triggers though?
There’s also no evidence that undocumented people are any more violent than current citizens. Many are bigger contributors to our society.
Also, blame the politicians? Oh, I’d also blame your fellow soldiers and neighbors since many VOTED FOR THIS.
If the protestors engage the national guard soldiers? May God help both of them. I know the nasty guard won’t shoot unless their lives are threatened, so I hope no one does.
Do we really believe that the kind of people who sign up for the military have this much reasoning ability?
The whole point is to mould them into unquestioning footsoldiers.
They aren’t as bad as police who have to actively try whereas someone can just “fall” into the army. But still, they are enemy combatants and can’t be expected to follow reason.
If the sort of person who was part of those organisations cared about rule of law, none of them would have boarded planes to Iraq. Appreciate the optimism though.
Maybe this is libbed up, but someone here probably knows a national guard volunteer, at least some of whom probably don’t want to go out and fight their fellow community members for ICE.
Buddy, where have you been the past 20 years? The kids who were boots on the ground are now in their late 30s and 40s, and many of them are staunchly anti-military thanks to their experiences.
The US military runs one of the largest propaganda campaigns in the world, from Hollywood movies and TV commercials to Raytheon funding colleges and recruitment officers walking the halls of high schools. Their entire thing is tricking impressionable young kids into doing the dirty work for the wealthy. When I was in college, the seniors in the game design program were working on a VR boot camp scenario in Second Life that the army wanted to take with them to schools as a recruitment tool.
But no war like the culture war, I guess.
All people are born ignorant to their material circumstances and the conditions necessary for them. Disadvantaged folk often have a more difficult path out of that ignorance. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs provides some insight into why: one rarely has capacity for deep introspection when they’ve been deprived of basic needs.
The US Military (among others) purposefully recruit more heavily in economically depressed areas. This has been true for decades. These two facts are correlated. Couple this with American Exceptionalist propaganda which created the myth and social elevation of the American Soldier as the ultimate freedom fighter / patriot and maybe you can sympathize with those who enlist.
My point is not that individuals should be excused from being taken to task for their actions. Nor is it that all those who enlist are duped into it. It’s this: people are rarely lost causes, are often unguided, and live unexamined lives. So when confronting anyone: their personal context matters. When I’m struggling to find empathy I look to Daryl Davis. When we encounter ignorance, hate, and bigotry, we are right to oppose it. Always. How we do so should be conditioned, and possibly tempered, by the fact that we ourselves are ignorant to the context of the neighbors assigned to oppress us.
Do not dismiss out of hand the power of speaking to reason and empathy in the face of violence and hate. Take them to task with the intention of educating a lost comrade. We must defend ourselves when the need arises but, prior to that Rubicon, we ought to acknowledge that were it not for circumstances outside our control so too could we have remained ignorant and been persuaded toward hate.
There is no more stalwart an ally than one who has been given the tools to free themselves from chains they were sold as armor.
Couple this with American Exceptionalist propaganda which created the myth and social elevation of the American Soldier as the ultimate freedom fighter / patriot and maybe you can sympathize with those who enlist.
That myth. One of the things Umberto Eco discussed about in Ur-Fascism.
People who have decided to take up arms against other humans for money or ideology have passed some sort of rubicon I feel. They might be pursuaded to suppress their violent mercenary instincts for a while, but ultimately every violent repressive regime relies on these people, and has indoctrinated them accordingly.
