A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
Remember that institutions are not a requirement for conscience.
You’re not that special-if you’re feeling it, a lot if other people probably are too
You’re going to choose whether you live in a world where men with guns shoot civilians, or shoot (higher) officers who order them to shoot civilians. Sorry you gotta make that choice.
What lead you here? Who are you? Who do you want to be? How can you best be loyal to that?
When this is all over, you’re going to have to live with what you’ve done. Or not. Im telling you; the best therapists are or know people in those crowds.
Whose side are you on?
No. They should not shoot the officer that gives the order, that is a prison sentence no matter what.
The whole “disobey unethical orders” thing is for officers on the field receiving orders from command that they perceive as a warcrime (or against the constitution). They simply say “no, we aren’t doing that”.
If someone shoots an officer ordering war crimes that is justice, and probably why they don’t allow military members to be tired by public courts. They would almost certainly be acquitted.
Honestly I like how the constitution says everyone without exception is allowed a jury trial, but we just pretend that it’s okay for the military to not follow that. Like sure now they are volunteers, but conscription has a long history. It’s kinda fucked up when you think about it, and definently unconstitutional
The military is told when they enlist that they are signing away their rights as a citizen until the term of enlistment, or their commission, is fulfilled. Personally I appreciated being bound by a much smaller, but somewhat more restrictive, set of rules that they gave each of us a copy of to read and learn. Turns out it’s much easier to just do what you want to do, if you know how to do it within the rules.
I understand that’s what we say, but it’s not in the constitution and courts have ruled that you cannot sign away your rights as they are inalienable. Yet, it’s allowed for the military to do so
Military kinda has to operate under its own jurisdiction. They have to be able to tell the president, “no.” The founders didn’t think we would have a standing military, so they didn’t put provisions in the Constitution itself, but once it became clear that we were going to have to have a standing army and navy at all times, we changed the laws.
Also it can be argued that a court martial is better than a jury trial. Because the jury is made of JAG, so they actually know what the UCMJ says, and what precedents apply.
but that’s illegal!
If this pops off, there are no laws. It’s just men with guns. Your lib shit is going to get people killed. Lots of people. Your lib shit is how you start a civil war. Stop. Delete this comment. Im trying to reduce harm here, you’re clearly into accellerationism.
the officers should
Yeah. Yeah they should. And if they don’t, their soldiers should protest, by issuing a report in .768.
Political power, when there is no mutual respect or goal, comes out the barrel of a gun.
Fragging shit officers is a time honored tradition of the enlisted. I say that as an officer. The legality of it really doesn’t matter at the time.
I’d suggest all service members from all branches of military to expect to be made to do blatantly fascist things. Do not be a tool of a dictator; do not simply follow orders. Fully prepare to quit in protest, or fully prepare to be a perpetrator.
I can tell you never served. They can refuse to follow illegal orders, and are specifically required to do so. The procedure normally requires you to place the offending officer under arrest, but there are circumstances that would allow for the delivery of a corpse instead. Fragging didn’t start in Doom and Quake.
What they absolutely cannot do, is quit. That’s called going AWOL and that shit carries years in Leavenworth.
Forgive my ignorance, who even answers that hotline? What can they do?
Give legal advice, or direct you to the resources to get legal advice. From what I’ve heard from experts on NPR, JAG attorneys are still pretty competent and helpful to service members, but I he no personal experience to back this up.
We need to identify where on the Internet people who this post would speak to are congregating. While I don’t doubt there are some vets on Lemmy I doubt many active national guard are here. We should be smart with these posts
Remember, us vets tend to know active service people. Hell, I have a niece in the Navy currently.
I think it’s more like, if you know someone who is.
I know the air force subreddit has a lot of active duty members, maybe there’s a subreddit for the other branches
/r/Army and lemmy.world/c/army
Friends and family members might be here though.
I just logged on to post this and was pleased to see it at the top of my feed o7
The get suicided hotline
Fuck off
