That’s a lot of nazis.
He wants to machine gun Americans
This country has already crossed the Rubicon after the events of January 6th in my opinion. What’s we saw in LA was the declaration of war from this administration on its own people. We need to unite, fight, and stand against this tyrannical regime. If the White House is afraid of us now just you wait you pos’s.
Remember historically successful resitances don’t meet the enemy on an open front. They harrass and kill individuals. Soldiers that are alone, at home, and at the bar have historically been targets
I’m all for this
Civilians are going to be gunned down. The media will paint the victims as violent criminals. In the burbs, Frank Freeway and Mary Minivan won’t care, what’s on Netflix?
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming
We’re finally on our own
This summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in OhioGotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been gone long ago
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?I don’t want to downplay the alarm bells going off over this move. It’s definitely as bad as many are saying. On the other hand, I do want to set some right expectations. National guardsmen are modern professional soldiers and, as such, are far more disciplined than average police officers. Civilian casualties are always a possibility, and might even be what this administration wants, but I think it’s unlikely that we’ll see anything like another Kent State. If anything, I’ll bet most of the guardsmen are pretty frustrated with Trump for being called up for bullshit reasons.
Frustrated, modern (whatever that means in this context), professional, and yet, still willing to point a gun at peaceful civilian protestors.
The jackboot is coming down on your head, but at least it’s polished, neatly tied, and only coming down hard enough to knock you out, not kill you.
Modern, as in trained for flexible mission parameters in a modern urban environment where earning/keeping the respect of the local civilian population is a critical part of the mission. A step beyond the reactionary notion that Brute force and brutal suppression are always the most effective path. A military where soldiers are trained to question orders and made individually responsible for following illegal orders.
For example, say what you will about America’s ultimate failure in Afghanistan, our soldiers on the ground became experts in local culture and factions and built cooperation to achieve mission objectives without alienating the population. If our political leadership was as professional as our soldiers I think things would have ended a lot differently.
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No, I never heard of Kent State. If I had I might have mentioned it in my above comment. Oh, wait.
Oops haha thanks.
I think the problem though is neither side is going to back down which means clashes between troops/police is going to keep escalating until someone at one of these events pushes things too far and the troops/police end up firing on people. Especially as they are most likely going to start trying to push to end the protests through arrests rather then just focusing on control which will just antagonize people more. Realistically what other end scenario is there to this if Trump keeps throwing gasoline on the fire? It’s either gonna be a brutal crackdown on the protests with “less then lethal” weapons done by the military or end up being a bloodbath. Either way both outcomes would be horrifying to see happening in America, dictators use the military to put down protests and if we let that happen without any kind of severe backlash then we’re pretty much fucked.
I agree for the army. National guard? Nope. As redneck as it gets.
Pretty much everyone I’ve even met in the national gaurd are people who re-enlisted after their first stint in the army to get a regular paycheck while they go to school
"Oh, you have a [baby|upcoming deadline|scheduled holiday] in your regular life? Drop everything and harass these protesters while trying not to worry about regular life "
I’d be frustrated, too.
Lulz. The bulk of the military is 18Y old chumps.
I have trust in the generals, but they keep getting fired by this administration. The enlisted mooks will brainlessly shoot at civilians and call themselves heroes if given the chance.
The grunts and mooks aren’t professional at all. That’s the fucking point.
Police are those who actually study the law. Soldiers at best know they haven’t studied the law. It’s always the generals and officers who step in and protect us from the dumbasses, but the brains of the military are actively being drained right now.
Police are those who actually study the law.
Funniest thing I’ve read all week
The average age for active duty enlisted is 28.5yo, not 18.
Yes, active duty law enforcement is more competent at the intricacies of law enforcement, but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about things like trigger discipline and doing proper reconnaissance before charging into a situation.
As far as I’m aware, the guard still doesn’t have the power of arrest anyways. They will have to coordinate such actions with local law enforcement. They have no prosecutors or jails store detainees.
Yeah, anyone thinking that there is even a remotely fair election in 2026 and again in 2028 really should come and take a look at that bridge in my backyard that I’m selling…
How much? I only got thee fiddy
how big is it
Don’t worry , all of this means that somehow the stock market will rally on Monday and that’s really all that matters.
In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.
Because fuck the Posse Comitatus Act
Yup, but that line was crossed when he federalized National Guard troops for domestic policing. Federalized National Guard troops are legally the same as active duty military, both are title 10 troops and are restricted in their domestic use to the same degree. There is legally no difference between federalized National Guard and any active duty military, including tier one special forces as far as posse comitatus. This is a flagrant and illegal abuse of emergency powers.
No no no. When push comes to shove the heroic military will fight against fascism. Ignore all the fucking evidence to the contrary and support the troops.
Not wrong. At “best,” we’ll see a fracturing of the military…which could be much more trouble than it’s worth. I’d expect a small wave of resignations/desertions (since resignation for an officer takes a long time). The remainder of good people will actively try to avoid and sea-lawyer their way out of doing any damage to civilians without violating orders. There will be a good chunk who will happily fire on US civilians, though.
Resignations are only useful in the short term.
In the long term, Resignations provide new opportunities for the loyal to gain power and recruit.
Yep, but those who resign for moral reasons will be more likely to take actual actions to protest/stop what’s happening. The military will have a hard time recruiting competent people in that environment, though, and the people taking the vacancies will likely have diminishing competence as time goes on.
To put it in perspective, if more officers retire at 20, they’ll generally be O-5s (Lieutenant Colonels or Commanders), and so the next year’s promotion cycle will need to promote more O-4s to cover the vacancies. This will then trickle down, and suddenly, you have officers who have been O-3s for just a couple of years being promoted to O-4 rather than waiting longer and gaining experience.
In that scenario, there will be less efficiency in planning and execution and far more incompetence, and if being used against civilians, more brutality. But incompetence is easier to defeat in the long run. Seeing the incompetence and brutality will deprive the military of the smartest recruits who staff the important IT, intelligence, cyber, etc. communities. So, while they may get true believers, a lower proportion will be competent.
No matter how it shakes out, it will get very bad.
Yep, but those who resign for moral reasons will be more likely to take actual actions to protest/stop what’s happening
No. They won’t. Or, to be more blunt, the people who would actually be useful won’t. Because they are the ones who understand the world isn’t Call of Duty and a single guy with a pistol isn’t actually going to Jack Bauer his way through an entire armed escort.
The military will have a hard time recruiting competent people
They already do. That is why the military is dumb as a door knob and full of the kind of people who just want an excuse to shoot some folk whether they are brown or not.
This will then trickle down, and suddenly, you have officers who have been O-3s for just a couple of years being promoted to O-4 rather than waiting longer and gaining experience.
Oh, well then. That will solve everything.
The ASVAB was pretty basic when I took it. Fortunately, a health condition at the time kept me from basic.
It takes active recruitment if we want the military on the side of the people.
They should stop lying and using recruits as guinea pigs then
MAYBE that would have worked on the “I just want to go to college” Desert Storm kids.
We spent the better part of 20 years at continual war training an army to commit atrocities in the name of “peace keeping”. Anybody joining under those circumstances either started out brainwashed (“My daddy and his daddy and his daddy were all marines!”) or are basically cops who just want an excuse to wave a gun around.
At best? We are looking at the equivalent of trotting out liz cheney at the DNC. Sure there are “moderates” who might be won over. But the moment they hear that somebody doesn’t like whatever “moderate” belief they have they’ll go straight maga and then insist it is your fault for not winning their vote by slaughtering a few trans kids.
I’d say the vast majority of people in the military these days are poor kids looking for an escape to cyclical poverty.
Even that is fading because the tendency to fuck over the VA is so known.
That said: the people whose entire existence depends on pulling the trigger ain’t walking away because it might hurt the people who they kind of rightfully feel already abandoned them.
Yes, if they live through it, talking about everything from food, to housing, “vaccines”, and God knows what else. I’m not antivax either.
"What makes the green grass grow?!”
Yup. And so he can purge anyone that doesn’t follow orders. This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
You are not going to get fucknuts rump out of there by buying him a McD’s burger that is for sure.
