I find the opposite to be true. Taking a train is so much more convenient. Don’t have to find a place to park, don’t have to do any work to get there. Just sit down and wait
Bikes are nice because I don’t have to worry about traffic much, and generally parking isn’t an issue
Cars are really inconvenient. You have a gigantic vehicle that you have to navigate around many other vehicles, then find a parking spot, usually not close to where you’re actually going
And you must live within walking distance of a train.
Or they just take a bus? It’s crazy to think about, but not all buses are US and Canadian ones that come every hour and take two hours and five connections to get you to the station.
Also, locking up a bike is comparatively very easy to parking a car. The only reason car parking is often easy in North American cities is because of ridiculous, overinflated parking minimums that subsidize car ownership through free storage for giant metal boxes, blanket the landscape in otherwise-useless asphalt, and vastly increase the distances between locations for the people not using cars (including from, say, your house to the train station).
I can’t speak to trains (our rail system is a joke here) but I’ve been having more fun traveling and saving money by using my bike. Since I’m on the ground floor, it’s very convenient.
It’s not because I’m not out there risking my life on a bike trying to commute 40 miles because some idiot on the internet thinks they know everything, that’s for sure.
Do we need better infrastructure? Yes.
Are bikes the solution to everything like some dummies in this thread think? Fuck no.
If you were sorry, you wouldn’t have posted that chicken-shit “gotcha”. You already knew the answer. We already know the fucking answer you elitist little prick.
Telling people they just need to make use of something literally unavailable to them is a dick move. It’s not a personal failing that our public transportation options are fucking garbage over here. It’s not a personal failing that the lack of public transportation options forces us to use alternatives that are less environmentally friendly than what we could in an ideal world. And by all that is sacred, you don’t need to magnamously teach us the problems we fucking live.
Stop getting your cheap kicks by punching down at those of us stuck in these sorts of situations and go after the god damn corporate rats holding our heads under the fucking water.
So many motherfuckers are more interested in getting a small dopamine hit by playing crab bucket while the people running the stove are right fucking there.
People in much more extreme climates bike at rates an order of magnitude higher than the US and Canada.
People physiologically adapt to the climates they live in by being outdoors.
North Americans who complain about the cold use the wind chill rather than ambient temperature when that’s not actually the temperature they’re feeling with clothes on that block the wind. They also take the coldest data points and just say “that was the whole winter”.
Poor weather magnifies the US and Canada’s unsafe bike infrastructure. If we had safe, well-maintained bike infrastructure, it would not be nearly as much of a problem (shown by the Nordic countries biking all the time in the snowy dead of winter).
In extreme weather, you can still delay your trip, take public transit, take a car, etc. Commuting via micromobility isn’t a binary yes/no thing; if you can’t on some days, then don’t.
You know that clothes exist? Like, put on a raincoat, it’s fine.
And look at all these single non-parents trying to tell everyone they should only use a bike…
Your partner can just ride on a second bike. That’s how me and my gf mostly get around. What a concept, I know!
If your kids are younger than 6 yo, they can probably fit in a cart behind your bike. If they are older, they can ride a bike themselves. This is the norm in many places in europe now.
Don’t forget that most of them live in dense urban areas as well, and to say they “look down” on those who don’t would be an absurd understatement.
Like, I moved to a place that is aiming to be an entirely walkable town, but it’s not there yet. The pandemic put a lot of the development on hold and things are finally getting back up to speed now. My closest grocery store was going to be two blocks away, but that was scrapped. There’s one being built that will be 3 miles away, so bike-able when it’s finally fucking opened. Currently, the closest one(s) are ~10 miles away. I work a job that is entirely possible to do remotely, but the execs have forced us all back into the office, ~20 miles away. I drive a hybrid because I can’t afford a full EV right now. My home’s power is nuclear and solar.
Some of the chucklefucks in these comment sections act like I’m personally clear cutting the rainforests because I dare to say that I require a car in my current life situation. Motherfuckers, I’m doing all I personally can. So go sabotage some private jets, or locally campaign for more bike lanes and public transit solutions, and get off my balls.
they “look down” on those who don’t would be an absurd understatement.
These discussions are never about rural areas. No one is going to a rural town and installing bike lanes. No one is suggesting 20 miles of bike lanes go in where you live. It’s always about putting in bike lanes and transit where it makes sense
Some of the chucklefucks in these comment sections act like I’m personally clear cutting the rainforests because I dare to say that I require a car in my current life situation
People are chastising you for arguing people in cities that could easily bike need to drive a car. That’s what you’re doing. People say we should have bikes and transit in cities and you come out arguing against it
Keep driving your car. No one is taking it away from you, no matter where you live. We just want the option to bike or take transit in our communities. We don’t currently have that option because suburban and rural people constantly fight urban transit tooth and nail
These discussions are never about rural areas. No one is going to a rural town and installing[…]
That’s… not what I’m talking about at all in regards to people talking down about people who live outside of urban centers. There are people out here actively calling people maga chuds based entirely on the environment they live in.
People are chastising you for arguing people in cities that could easily bike need to drive a car. That’s what you’re doing.
Oh fuck off, I’ve done no such thing.
You’re only feeding my point and getting all bent up about shit I didn’t say. Thank you for at least explicitly stating the strawman you’ve imagined me to be.
suburban and rural people constantly fight urban transit tooth and nail
Citation fucking needed. How would someone outside one of the cities in question have any influence on those decisions, and more importantly, why in the fuck would they even care?
I personally have the displeasure of knowing plenty of god awful nimbys, and they’re all upper class urbanites worried that their little nest egg(s) in the wealthy parts of my local city will lose value.
Like, I moved to a place that is aiming to be an entirely walkable town, but it’s not there yet. The pandemic put a lot of the development on hold and things are finally getting back up to speed now. My closest grocery store was going to be two blocks away, but that was scrapped. There’s one being built that will be 3 miles away, so bike-able when it’s finally fucking opened.
That sounds like it’s not a walkable town then, not even close. Even my shithole city has multiple grocery stores and cafes on every block, and nobody calls it particularly walkable.
Trains and bikes are much more inconvenient. Though bikes are good for close proximity.
I find the opposite to be true. Taking a train is so much more convenient. Don’t have to find a place to park, don’t have to do any work to get there. Just sit down and wait
Bikes are nice because I don’t have to worry about traffic much, and generally parking isn’t an issue
Cars are really inconvenient. You have a gigantic vehicle that you have to navigate around many other vehicles, then find a parking spot, usually not close to where you’re actually going
Finding a place to park a car is inconvenient, but locking up a bike somewhere isn’t?
And you must live within walking distance of a train.
Or they just take a bus? It’s crazy to think about, but not all buses are US and Canadian ones that come every hour and take two hours and five connections to get you to the station.
Also, locking up a bike is comparatively very easy to parking a car. The only reason car parking is often easy in North American cities is because of ridiculous, overinflated parking minimums that subsidize car ownership through free storage for giant metal boxes, blanket the landscape in otherwise-useless asphalt, and vastly increase the distances between locations for the people not using cars (including from, say, your house to the train station).
I can’t speak to trains (our rail system is a joke here) but I’ve been having more fun traveling and saving money by using my bike. Since I’m on the ground floor, it’s very convenient.
There are bikes that have motors, it helps reach further away locations.
Those same vehicles also have a 4-wheel model that’s pretty nice.
Three wheel is lighter and more efficient
Do those motors keep the rain and snow off you?
And look at all these single non-parents trying to tell everyone they should only use a bike…
There are carts you can pull behind your bike that your kids can ride in. Some of them even have up to 4 seats for kids
Also they have fairings for the rider you can buy to be your windshield basically
You haven’t seen American roads, have you? They’re not remotely safe for this shit in most places
Yes, good, and why is that? Keep that thought going.
It’s not because I’m not out there risking my life on a bike trying to commute 40 miles because some idiot on the internet thinks they know everything, that’s for sure.
Do we need better infrastructure? Yes.
Are bikes the solution to everything like some dummies in this thread think? Fuck no.
People in normal countries who have to commute 65 km take the train. Sorry the car lobby has deprived you of that.
If you were sorry, you wouldn’t have posted that chicken-shit “gotcha”. You already knew the answer. We already know the fucking answer you elitist little prick.
Telling people they just need to make use of something literally unavailable to them is a dick move. It’s not a personal failing that our public transportation options are fucking garbage over here. It’s not a personal failing that the lack of public transportation options forces us to use alternatives that are less environmentally friendly than what we could in an ideal world. And by all that is sacred, you don’t need to magnamously teach us the problems we fucking live.
Stop getting your cheap kicks by punching down at those of us stuck in these sorts of situations and go after the god damn corporate rats holding our heads under the fucking water.
So many motherfuckers are more interested in getting a small dopamine hit by playing crab bucket while the people running the stove are right fucking there.
Seriously. Last winter here was -25 C. Miserable for bike rides.
Don’t bike that day. Bike the other 364.
Sent to you from the Netherlands where people still cycle in hurricanes.
It’s that way for a good 3 months. At least -10 anyways.
Here is a video about a Finnish city where plenty of people bike with -10 temps: https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU
Thank you, Not Just Bikes, for finally giving us this video when someone pretends that winters are normally -25°C.
Could you summarize I don’t have half an hour right now
thank you!
You know that clothes exist? Like, put on a raincoat, it’s fine.
Your partner can just ride on a second bike. That’s how me and my gf mostly get around. What a concept, I know!
If your kids are younger than 6 yo, they can probably fit in a cart behind your bike. If they are older, they can ride a bike themselves. This is the norm in many places in europe now.
I really want to train my cat to ride in the cart
Don’t forget that most of them live in dense urban areas as well, and to say they “look down” on those who don’t would be an absurd understatement.
Like, I moved to a place that is aiming to be an entirely walkable town, but it’s not there yet. The pandemic put a lot of the development on hold and things are finally getting back up to speed now. My closest grocery store was going to be two blocks away, but that was scrapped. There’s one being built that will be 3 miles away, so bike-able when it’s finally fucking opened. Currently, the closest one(s) are ~10 miles away. I work a job that is entirely possible to do remotely, but the execs have forced us all back into the office, ~20 miles away. I drive a hybrid because I can’t afford a full EV right now. My home’s power is nuclear and solar.
Some of the chucklefucks in these comment sections act like I’m personally clear cutting the rainforests because I dare to say that I require a car in my current life situation. Motherfuckers, I’m doing all I personally can. So go sabotage some private jets, or locally campaign for more bike lanes and public transit solutions, and get off my balls.
These discussions are never about rural areas. No one is going to a rural town and installing bike lanes. No one is suggesting 20 miles of bike lanes go in where you live. It’s always about putting in bike lanes and transit where it makes sense
People are chastising you for arguing people in cities that could easily bike need to drive a car. That’s what you’re doing. People say we should have bikes and transit in cities and you come out arguing against it
Keep driving your car. No one is taking it away from you, no matter where you live. We just want the option to bike or take transit in our communities. We don’t currently have that option because suburban and rural people constantly fight urban transit tooth and nail
That’s… not what I’m talking about at all in regards to people talking down about people who live outside of urban centers. There are people out here actively calling people maga chuds based entirely on the environment they live in.
Oh fuck off, I’ve done no such thing.
You’re only feeding my point and getting all bent up about shit I didn’t say. Thank you for at least explicitly stating the strawman you’ve imagined me to be.
Citation fucking needed. How would someone outside one of the cities in question have any influence on those decisions, and more importantly, why in the fuck would they even care?
I personally have the displeasure of knowing plenty of god awful nimbys, and they’re all upper class urbanites worried that their little nest egg(s) in the wealthy parts of my local city will lose value.
That sounds like it’s not a walkable town then, not even close. Even my shithole city has multiple grocery stores and cafes on every block, and nobody calls it particularly walkable.