The overwhelming amount of people that don’t understand why this is a medically necessary thing to ask, somehow has to correlate with the complete lack of nuanced debate to be found here.
I’ll break it down simply;
IF A WOMAN IS PREGNANT- X-RAYS CAN DAMAGE A FETUS. IF A WOMA DOESN’T KNOW SHES PREGNANT- A MENSTRUAL CYCLE CAN INDICATE THAT A TEST MAY BE WISE BEFORE POTENTIALLY KILLING HER UNBORN FETUS.
also:
CERTAIN MEDICATIONS CAN KILL OR SEVERELY DAMAGE THE HEALTH OF AN UNBORN FETUS.
therefore we can summarize by saying:
MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ARE TRAINED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO PERFORMING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL PROCEDURES OR ADMINISTERING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL MEDICATIONS.
Now, is it safe to assume we understand why they don’t ask men this question?
This is incorrect. The point of this comic is to illustrate that doctors are incompetent morons when it comes to diagnostic criteria for certain things. It is not literally about evaluating a patient with a gunshot wound who would literally be triaged and immediately taken care of.
You should be embarrassed for thinking this drivel let alone writing it down and publishing it for others to see.
Counterpoint- she is missing a semicircular chunk of flesh half her arm’s diameter, without massive bleeding, and still somwhow alive.
Only way I can think of that working is every artery connecting to her arm being severed,
and wasting time asking about her period can wait till they figure out if shes going to die from internal bleeding while answering questions.
Counter-counterpoint: To see internal bleeding she needs a CT scan and CT tech or radiology will say no for CT until it’s confirmed with bw that she is not pregnant. (Note: Im only familiar with healthcare on where im at)
As a woman who absolutely hates the “when was the date of your last period?” question, if the only reason they want to know the answer to that question is to determine whether or not we are pregnant, why don’t they just have us pee in a cup?
Asking me when my last period was in order for them to determine whether or not I may be pregnant, is kind of like [insert some scenario where the obvious solution to a question is simple but you go about it in a backwards upside down complicated way].
if the only reason they want to know the answer to that question is to determine whether or not we are pregnant, why don’t they just have us pee in a cup?
It pretty blantantly shows that there is a greater concern for the potential existence of something which may potentially become a person, than there is for the actual person having an actual medical emergency.
For this hypothetical comic situation yes they should fix the uncontrolled bleeding first before anything else. But to contradict myself looks like the bleeding is controlled.
So, it’s an emergency, and doctors are trained to think first about saving the theoretical unborn fetus, instead of focusing on the hemorrhage of a woman that somehow made it to the doctor after she got shot by some delinquent? Is that what you’re trying to say? I don’t wonder why people don’t understand, but I find the comic funny, bitter funny.
Cynical answer: They’re worried about the malpractice case if the woman miscarries because of something they did.
More realistic answer: I don’t think it’s so much trained to first think about the potential fetus, as much as if there’s no emergency and the only difference between potentially causing a miscarriage / deformity and not doing so is a few questions, why not ask them? If she was on a gurney being rushed into the ER it would be one thing, but if she’s ambulatory and has the time for the subsequent urine test, better safe than sorry?
Most realistic answer: It’s a funny comic about the level of dismissal many women feel when dealing with doctors. Laugh bitterly, share with a friend, and try not to worry about what assholes on the Internet think.
Well, to be pendantic. She’s walked into the office on her own, is fully alert and doesn’t appear to be bleeding much. Next steps would be an xray and likely then surgery - both of which it’s crucial to know if the patient is pregnant.
And how do you know it’s a delinquent that shot her? Seems judgey.
Its satirizing the tendency for doctors to be more dismissive of women having pain than men, for example. This would be more of a problem with non-visible causes of pain, especially ones that predominantly effect women such as chronic migraines. This comic extrapolates this to comedic effect by using a gunshot wound instead.
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I love how a 4 panel comic about dismissal of women’s medical concerns is getting multiple commentors who want to dismiss those problems because a 4 panel comic doesn’t explicitly go into the a specific nuance they are focused on. Plenty of people get the punchline just fine without it.
It’s not about pregnancy. It’s about dismissing pain and blaming symptoms on hormones.
Ah yes, insults instead of addressing the context of the comment.
I’m explaining why the comic doesn’t make sense, and addressing your incorrect information and also now comprehension.
If you can’t even see that this isn’t a 4 panel comic, why should we even take anything else you say as correct? When you can’t even count panel amounts.
4 panel comics and 8 panel comics, are different narratives, you can’t use 4 panel logic and narrative in an 8 panel. So it changes how the comic works. Just like a short story vs a poem. They’re just different things.
Wait, so you can’t follow a story past four panels? What is “four panel logic?” I think you made that up.
No, a poem and short story are two different ways to tell a narrative. You can’t write a poem in a short story format than cry foul when people don’t get the point because it no longer works.
How did you even get that form what I said? Oh right, you seem to have an issue with wanting to insult people Lmfao.
In every one of my comments I try to bring the discussion back to the narrative of the comic, you brought up pregnancy, which I addressed.
And in every response people, not just me, have tried to explain to you why the narrative just doesn’t bloody work. Doesn’t matter what your backround or how much you know about it, you’re failing basic language comprehension issue. Most people have agreed with those, and still tried to point you correct on the issue with comic.
Yeah I get it that the medical.field could have, should have spent way more time on women’s issues, too many illnesses have been ignored with women, and yes, all that has to change
look, I’m not asking to be coddled. as a man I don’t need anyone to ask me anything…but it would be nice every once in a while of someone just asked how my last period was.
I remember seeing a sign on a wall in one office that explained this. Makes way more sense knowing that.
I can’t say I’ve had this particular conversation with a doctor (or ever will) but all this said, I’ve also had some real arseholes for doctors. A little compassion and even a quick explanation goes a long way.
There is a big difference between not understanding something and never being taught in the first place.
The overwhelming amount of people that don’t understand why this is a medically necessary thing to ask, somehow has to correlate with the complete lack of nuanced debate to be found here.
I’ll break it down simply;
IF A WOMAN IS PREGNANT- X-RAYS CAN DAMAGE A FETUS. IF A WOMA DOESN’T KNOW SHES PREGNANT- A MENSTRUAL CYCLE CAN INDICATE THAT A TEST MAY BE WISE BEFORE POTENTIALLY KILLING HER UNBORN FETUS.
also:
CERTAIN MEDICATIONS CAN KILL OR SEVERELY DAMAGE THE HEALTH OF AN UNBORN FETUS.
therefore we can summarize by saying:
MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ARE TRAINED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO PERFORMING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL PROCEDURES OR ADMINISTERING POTENTIALLY HARMFUL MEDICATIONS.
Now, is it safe to assume we understand why they don’t ask men this question?
This is incorrect. The point of this comic is to illustrate that doctors are incompetent morons when it comes to diagnostic criteria for certain things. It is not literally about evaluating a patient with a gunshot wound who would literally be triaged and immediately taken care of.
You should be embarrassed for thinking this drivel let alone writing it down and publishing it for others to see.
It’s like the “is it plugged in?” thing. There is a reason it keeps getting asked.
Counterpoint- she is missing a semicircular chunk of flesh half her arm’s diameter, without massive bleeding, and still somwhow alive. Only way I can think of that working is every artery connecting to her arm being severed,
and wasting time asking about her period can wait till they figure out if shes going to die from internal bleeding while answering questions.
Counter-counterpoint: To see internal bleeding she needs a CT scan and CT tech or radiology will say no for CT until it’s confirmed with bw that she is not pregnant. (Note: Im only familiar with healthcare on where im at)
Counterpoint, it’s a fucking exaggerated cartoon.
Huh…I thought the joke was the doctor didn’t care about the mugging or the gunshot, skipped those questions and when right to periods.
I didn’t see it implied in the comic that the question should never be asked….or anything about men.
As a woman who absolutely hates the “when was the date of your last period?” question, if the only reason they want to know the answer to that question is to determine whether or not we are pregnant, why don’t they just have us pee in a cup?
Asking me when my last period was in order for them to determine whether or not I may be pregnant, is kind of like [insert some scenario where the obvious solution to a question is simple but you go about it in a backwards upside down complicated way].
Isn’t that a lot more work?
And more invasive. And expensive.
But hey not about womans things
It pretty blantantly shows that there is a greater concern for the potential existence of something which may potentially become a person, than there is for the actual person having an actual medical emergency.
I have a rebuttal:
WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT A THEORETICAL FETUS? FIX THE FUCKING ARM THAT IS BLEEDING OUT YOU FUCKSTICK PURITANICAL ASSHOLE.
For this hypothetical comic situation yes they should fix the uncontrolled bleeding first before anything else. But to contradict myself looks like the bleeding is controlled.
Great way to end up with a medical malpractice lawsuit.
Yup! Replied the same thing!
Cool, so you know what malpractice lawsuits bring in?
So, it’s an emergency, and doctors are trained to think first about saving the theoretical unborn fetus, instead of focusing on the hemorrhage of a woman that somehow made it to the doctor after she got shot by some delinquent? Is that what you’re trying to say? I don’t wonder why people don’t understand, but I find the comic funny, bitter funny.
Cynical answer: They’re worried about the malpractice case if the woman miscarries because of something they did.
More realistic answer: I don’t think it’s so much trained to first think about the potential fetus, as much as if there’s no emergency and the only difference between potentially causing a miscarriage / deformity and not doing so is a few questions, why not ask them? If she was on a gurney being rushed into the ER it would be one thing, but if she’s ambulatory and has the time for the subsequent urine test, better safe than sorry?
Most realistic answer: It’s a funny comic about the level of dismissal many women feel when dealing with doctors. Laugh bitterly, share with a friend, and try not to worry about what assholes on the Internet think.
If you are pregnant it can wildly affect your lab results, too.
Well, to be pendantic. She’s walked into the office on her own, is fully alert and doesn’t appear to be bleeding much. Next steps would be an xray and likely then surgery - both of which it’s crucial to know if the patient is pregnant.
And how do you know it’s a delinquent that shot her? Seems judgey.
Well, she got mugged and got shot. Call me whatever you want.
Yeah, might have been a cop. Better not be prejudiced.
Might need to go to the doctor because how of much I’m gonna laugh whilst reading this comment thread later.
Because of patriarchy? 👉👈
NO
As WalrusDragonOnABike so perfectly put it:
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It’s not about pregnancy. It’s about dismissing pain and blaming symptoms on hormones.
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ANOTHER SOURCE
YET ANOTHER SOURCE
I have more sources. They’re bookmarked. Does anyone need them or do we get it yet?
It’s not a 4 panel comic, they tried using more panels for extra context and fucked it up.
“I didn’t get it so the comic is wrong.”
Ah yes, insults instead of addressing the context of the comment.
I’m explaining why the comic doesn’t make sense, and addressing your incorrect information and also now comprehension.
If you can’t even see that this isn’t a 4 panel comic, why should we even take anything else you say as correct? When you can’t even count panel amounts.
4 panel comics and 8 panel comics, are different narratives, you can’t use 4 panel logic and narrative in an 8 panel. So it changes how the comic works. Just like a short story vs a poem. They’re just different things.
Wait, so you can’t follow a story past four panels? What is “four panel logic?” I think you made that up.
I was quoting someone else.
My information is from reputable sources in healthcare, journalism and medicine. Do we not recognize Ph D’s here, now?
In every one of my comments I try to bring the discussion back to the narrative of the comic, you brought up pregnancy, which I addressed.
I don see this conversation being productive, so you can have the last word and I won’t respond. Enjoy the rest of your week.
No, a poem and short story are two different ways to tell a narrative. You can’t write a poem in a short story format than cry foul when people don’t get the point because it no longer works.
How did you even get that form what I said? Oh right, you seem to have an issue with wanting to insult people Lmfao.
And in every response people, not just me, have tried to explain to you why the narrative just doesn’t bloody work. Doesn’t matter what your backround or how much you know about it, you’re failing basic language comprehension issue. Most people have agreed with those, and still tried to point you correct on the issue with comic.
So it’s just badly written then
But yea it seems like your interpretation is correct, though the extreme amount of exaggeration in the comic made it less understandable
I’M SORRY, I DIDN’T QUITE GRASP WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT MORE CLEARLY?
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I feel like the more nuanced version of the question should be used tbh
Yeah I get it that the medical.field could have, should have spent way more time on women’s issues, too many illnesses have been ignored with women, and yes, all that has to change
But this? I thought this was always obvious
Not for a lot of people, sadly.
look, I’m not asking to be coddled. as a man I don’t need anyone to ask me anything…but it would be nice every once in a while of someone just asked how my last period was.
it costs nothing to be kind.
I’ll be the guy and ask but I’ll warn you ahead of time the only acceptable answer is “good, how are you?” And now with that bit out of the way,
How was your last period?
good, how are you?
I know right. Sometimes just the act of asking is appreciated.
Hah!
I remember seeing a sign on a wall in one office that explained this. Makes way more sense knowing that.
I can’t say I’ve had this particular conversation with a doctor (or ever will) but all this said, I’ve also had some real arseholes for doctors. A little compassion and even a quick explanation goes a long way.
There is a big difference between not understanding something and never being taught in the first place.
Doctors should ask men about their period.
What if they find a dude who had one recently? That seems like it would be a problem you’d want fixed.
Okay, so this is a damn good argument!
As much as I dunk on doctors, people in general are even dumber.
And aside from the concern about a fetus, it can mess (very dramatically) with your lab results.
Stop yelling. My brain censors out all caps, so anythign in all caps I can’t read.
do these two quotes above look literally the same to you?
What?
You said:
Right?
Can you see all these caps?
Yea, I can see hats.
Oh, for real, no cap?