It’s almost like providing women with actual proper healthcare improves healthcare for everyone down the line. How strange and totally unforseen! /s
Makes you wonder in which other areas improvements for one subset of humanity could conceivably improve the rest of humanity as well, doesn’t it?
Did you read a different article?
TLDR; Men should also get the HPV vaccine, it’s not just good for cervical cancer prevention - but a range of other cancers.
God lemmy is insufferable. The most unhappy group of people on the internet
Brother you are the insufferable unhappy person. You replied with this to a lighthearted comment about how a rising tide lifts all ships.
There are literally thousands of other sites you could spend your time on, buddy. Have fun out there.
Got it with a covid booster. No woman shall ever be afraid to be eaten out by me.
well duh, of course it’s a clear benefit for me when my gf doesn’t get cervical cancer
It also helps protect you against various cancers.
but it is mostly ineligible for men, and its not covered most of the time by the insurance.
I’m an adult male and it was covered for me. Have you checked recently? It may have changed since it is still relatively new for men.
This is highly variable.
First they say we don’t need it, then they say we’re too old for it, and finally they say it’s beneficial.
Is this a game to you?
TLDR; whether you are male or female if you are under the age of 45, and insurance will pay for it, get the HPV vaccine. They won’t let you have it over 45 years old.
Firs they say we don’t need it,
When it initially came out supplies were low and the only known at-risk groups it was know to help directly were girls and young women, so they said, rightfully, men don’t need it at this time.
then they say we’re too old for it
Because at the time time it was thought that if you got one of the non-threatening strains of HPV that your body would already be primed to fight of a future infection of one of the few threatening strains. With nearly any vaccine there’s a negligible amount of health risks. If the research at the time said that there’d be no benefit to you, but you’d still be exposed to the negligible risk, then it made sense to say you were too old to benefit.
There’s also a money thing here. The HPV vaccine isn’t particularly cheap. So the guidance is trying to save you from throwing money away. If you need it, the cost is well worth it, if it wouldn’t benefit you, the money paid for it would be wasted.
then they say we’re too old for it, and finally they say it’s beneficial.
Years passed with outcomes showing benefits for other not in the primary group of recipients (girls and young women). So, yes, now they’re telling you they have evidence that its helpful to you too.
its like several hundred for out of pocket for shingrx for under 50year old. gardisil is not likely cheap other.
Yes, both are expensive out-of-pocket. That’s part of the decision about why to not recommend gardisil (HPV vaccine) for the wider groups without the clinical outcomes to show the value. However, I addressed this in a later post in this thread, in the USA the ACA makes sure nearly all health insurance pays for recommended vaccines at 100%. So if you have insurance its most likely you can get gardisil or shingrex (for shingles) with zero out-of-pocket costs. I was surprised to see the retail price of Shingrex at $500, but I didn’t pay a penny of that as it was fully covered.
what happens if someone over 45 gets the vaccine?
I don’t see anything that indicates danger according to the american cancer society, according to them it is entirely cost benefit although they do admit it has not been thoroughly studied in populations 45+.
Having multiple sex partners, or recently divorced is an indication for getting it though - so if you’re a big 'ol slut (<3) you should consider it at any age, if you can get it paid for.
A pharmacist is perhaps in trouble for not following regulations? They set these rules because they’ve done studies about adverse effects, and those trials apparently only included folks up to age 45, so they don’t know for sure what would happen to older people. Its the same reason most people can’t get the Shingles vaccine until age 50 (even though LOTS of people under 50 get Shingles). The clinical data starts at 50 for that one.
You’re not going to die or anything, but the rules are in place they won’t give it to you so I recommend getting it while you can as it is clearly showing benefits over time. I got HPV shot before I aged out and it was completely paid for by insurance (because of the USA ACA).
i saw so many people on the shingles sub trying to get it, even though they arnt at risk. also the implications is unknown, and someone reported they actually had a really bad inflammatory reaction from taking shingles vaccine so early in life.
My friend had a really bad case of shingles at age 45 he was bedridden for 3 weeks in tremendous pain, he almost lost eyesight in one eye. Another friend got it at 41 and while she wasn’t as bad off as the first friend was tremendously painful and she was out of work for weeks. When I got my shingles shot I told the pharmacist these stories, and she told me she herself got shingles at 35.
I would have rolled the dice on a bad inflammatory reaction from shingles vaccine given the chance.
I knew someone who was old enough to get the shingles vaccine but couldn’t because one of the requirements for vaccination is “not having had shingles in the last X amount of time”. Poor dear just kept having shingles outbreaks. She really wanted the vaccine.
Medical recommendations changed based on recent studies. What a concept!
CNN: What types of cancers are linked to HPV?
Wen: HPV is associated with a range of cancers in both men and women. In women, the most well-known is cervical cancer, but HPV can also cause cancers of the vagina and vulva. In men, HPV is linked to cancers of the penis, anus and the head and neck.
Over 90% of anal cancer is caused by HPV. Oropharyngeal cancer, also called throat cancer, is highly associated with HPV as well, with about 70% attributed to HPV. And more than 60% of penile cancer is caused by HPV.
CNN: Why has HPV vaccination historically been emphasized more for girls and women?
Wen: The initial focus of the HPV vaccine was driven by the clear and direct link between HPV and cervical cancer, which is a major global health issue. According to the World Health Organization, cervical cancer is the fourth most common cancer in women globally, causing more than 660,000 new cases and around 350,000 deaths in 2022.
Early clinical trials and public health campaigns prioritized preventing this specific cancer, so vaccination programs were first rolled out for girls. Over time, as more evidence accumulated about the burden of HPV-related disease in men, recommendations have expanded to include boys. However, public perception has lagged behind the science, and many people still think of this vaccine as primarily targeted for females.
This is so awesome that the word is getting out about the benefits for boys and men!! I remember hearing about the positive outcomes for boys and men quite a few years ago, mostly because of the throat cancer issue with HPV.
Everyone should get this vaccine! They upped the age limit to 45years old I think, so it’s available for even more people now as well.
They should raise the limit, 45 is still too young. Gen Xers don’t want cancer either and some of us havent been exposed. I had planned on getting it but I’ve been uninsured or poorly insured since the pandemic
I wonder if a doctor would be willing to administer it if asked.
I have a nurse practitioner and she seemed willing to consider it when I brought it up when I talked to her several months ago but insurance or not I’d likely be paying 500-1000 dollars out of pocket for all the doses and that’s just not feasible for me.
they would have to approve, but your insurance might resist and not approve it, i dont think a pharmacy is willing to risk thier license, you just have to find a pharamcy that will be willing to do it. i tried asking for menigitis vaccine once, they resisted and said i wasnt “At risk group”. i did ask gardisil in the same appointment, since im not sexually active they would refuse .
only at risk group: if you are predisposed to getting exposed to it, like sex work, sexual partners lots of them, or immunocompromised. Also RSV is not reccomended for <50yo.
Yup. My FIL got throat cancer from HPV.
It’s what killed Kirk Douglas.
Cancer fucking sucks. I’m sorry
The clear benefit for men is that they don’t have to see people they love die from cancer as often
The article explains they show reduced cancer risk themselves.
The vaccine also reduces throat cancer in men. HPV is a common cause of throat cancer.
its also implicated in tongue cancer which is rare, and also of the penis head area for those with foreskin still.
Just a reminder that conservatives have targeted this vaccine for their nutjobbery.
Yep. When my now wife was like 13 her dad (who was in the early stages of being eaten by Fox News) didn’t want her to get the hpv vaccine fearing that she’d just be out having sex. What a wild thing to think about your own daughter. Especially for a guy who had unprotected premarital sex which made my wife
once they all get measles they will change thier tune.
Of course, NOW it gets a ton of attention.
CNN: Why has HPV vaccination historically been emphasized more for girls and women?
Wen: The initial focus of the HPV vaccine was driven by the clear and direct link between HPV and cervical cancer, which is a major global health issue. According to the World Health Organization, cervical cancer is the fourth most common cancer in women globally, causing more than 660,000 new cases and around 350,000 deaths in 2022.
Early clinical trials and public health campaigns prioritized preventing this specific cancer, so vaccination programs were first rolled out for girls. Over time, as more evidence accumulated about the burden of HPV-related disease in men, recommendations have expanded to include boys. However, public perception has lagged behind the science, and many people still think of this vaccine as primarily targeted for females.
