I was at Shiny Night at one of the local Seattle furry bars a little while back and wound up hanging out with a bunch of folks in really well articulated fursuits talking shop. Eventually, as it does with any group of devs, the topic drifted to the classic game of “who hates Teams the most” and unfortunately it turned out the people I was drinking with:
1- Were mostly M$ developers working on Teams doing their ‘team bonding’ polycule thing.
2- Hate teams more than I could possibly ever manage. I mean, you think you hate teams? You think it’s unmanagable, insecure, convoluted and a pain in the ass for your IT crew? Imagine what the backend for that disaster must look like, then make that your entire day job. My god, it was a level of vitriol matched only by discussing Deutsche Bhan with a group of drunk Germans…
“Users may hate”
Sweety, we already hate everything MS. Take a wild guess…
Management on the other hand …
Am management. Still hate it. Costs a fucking fortune, sprawls beyond any reasonable control, fucking impossible to secure, every product has its own operating model and support, it changes every month, and the notion of leaving it is absurd. It is a disease that everyone is infected with and their sales people will never let you go. Also, it’s not like I can log into a central portal and see my employees on a map or something. I can’t see their searches, their teams chats, nothing really. Maybe HR could if they weren’t in the parking lot eating old cigarette butts or whatever it is they do.
Its like herpes.
Yep, not to mention it’s a basic messaging program, but it regularly uses 1-2gb of ram on a lot of machines at my workplace. Had a coworker vibe code a lightweight version (terminal based), he pretty easily got it down to 80ish mb, and it mostly worked (the whole thing was mostly for shits and giggles, but surprisingly usable).
Teams is anything but a basic messaging app. Over the last few years Microshit kept integrating most of their office suit into it instead of keeping their standalone apps working beyond Excel and Word. Now you have chats, teams, calls, calendar, SharePoint, planner, to-do, power BI and a million other things in one place, and only 90% of them don’t work properly.
Besides, the new™ Teams is pretty much just an instance of edge with 10+ tabs open den being on the amount of addins your company has. The entire app is literally just build in edge webview, its a reskinned browser with slightly more privileges.
Oh, I agree, I just found it rather funny that a random person was able to bring down teams ram usage without much trouble, something that Microsoft doesn’t seem to care about. Teams really needs just to be paired back to messaging and video/audio calls, all of the other stuff just aren’t used.
Users “may” hate?
Many also do not care, unfortunately.
Let’s not get that Lemmy echo chamber vibe where a few dozen of us agree that millions of Windows users don’t exist.
Yeah, the vast majority of people barely even know how to use a web browser. They won’t care about (or even notice) this change.
It’s not like people have a choice lol what are you going to do find a company using slack
Many also do not care, unfortunately.
Meh. It’s a work thing and corporate bobbleheads say I need to use it. Then they’ll pay for me to wait for their mandated things to start/connect/work/do whatever. It’s mostly usable enough to get my shit done, it randomly shows whatever status on my account which I couldn’t care less. And the moment I log off I don’t care if the place is literally on fire.
It’s after all just work and nothing more. There are way more important things in life.
Hell, most people don’t know the difference between a search engine and a browser
it reduces the need to manually update your status, and it also enables co-workers to know that you’re at work so that they can coordinate in-person meetings with you.
They’re not even trying with these weak ass justifications anymore. Are either of these things an actual problem for anyone?
“Hey are you in the office” works well, too.
But IME if I am, they are just lining up at my door anyway and I can’t focus on actual work. At least when I WFH, I can ignore “hey you got a sec?” until I actually do.
“Hey are you in the office” is too much social interaction for the antisocial mindset of techbros it’d seem
My status is permanently set to Away so that people don’t bother me with stupid questions like “are you in the office”, although for some reason teams randomly resets my status to green every couple of weeks until I notice the increase in stupid questions.
Basically, Microsoft Places and Teams have received workplace check-ins via Wi-Fi. The idea is that if an employee arrives at the office and connects to their enterprise network, their profile status indicator will show them as being present in the office.
Joke’s on you. My work is so stingy, they don’t offer WiFi to employees. Also, I’ve blocked location permissions in Teams, just in case.
God damn I hate this universe, why is technology a tool to create new shackles instead of breaking old ones
Because it makes the people at the top more powerful.
If it’s a new Teams feature I’m going to hate it regardless of what it does. MS doesn’t make software for human beings any more.
I too have a hard time seeing management as human,
We aren’t. When you humans are busy working, we go to the basement and eat the remants of your souls.
We also go to a lot of pointless meetings.
It will also introduce 50 new product-breaking bugs
We have teams. It sucks. They’re going to make us use it for phone calls soon.
The phone calls part is one of the better parts at least for me) for Teams. It has it’s own number, works on all the devices, can forward, and works well. I don’t want to carry a work phone, and don’t want a desk phone in the office (even though we have ones that connect to Teams). If there is a better solution that’s ‘cheaper’ all for it, but seems pretty sold.
My issue with it is people using their computers for calls; we have cheap ass dell laptops and there are always echoes and lags in the audio. When they finally set us up, I’m going to make sure all my calls are routed to my cell phone.
Oh that makes sense, I typically use a headset and avoid the built in trash that most laptops have and it seems to work pretty well.
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Seems like malicious compliance would be using the shitty service and giving them the shitty quality connection they asked for.
And I need to have a teams mtg this afternoon, so I fired it up, and……it didn’t work. Spent the obligatory 15 minutes on the phone with the help desk; we’ll see what happens.
Complete opposite experience for my office. Calls drop randomly, consultative transfers don’t work, holds don’t always reconnect. Had none of these issues when we had Skype for Business. Even had a VoIP consultant firm come in to review our issues, they couldn’t fix them.
I was fine with teams when we only used it for meetings, team chats, and IM.
You must not have ever had to get through a phone tree while you were conferenced with someone.
Around here employers gets to pay trillions if they even put themselves in the position of snooping on employee data , like location, without a distinct need for each individual they snoop on.
Since teams is for connecting people remotely (office to office, office to other departments, etc) what sense does this make?
Being “in office” has nothing to do with my location.
Microsoft sucks so much.
Easier to control if your employee is actually at the office instead of working from home.
It’s not like the pandemic proved most office jobs could actually be done remotely…
Users as in (office) workers. I cast a enormous doubt that there is no living person who chose Teams over literally any other messaging app just to use it for their main way of communication outside of their workspace.
im sure there ar eother ways of tracking thier progress, like thier work/projects done on a deadline. its more or less a control issue.
I am curious, because the Teams hate is pretty substantial here, what are the reasons you hate Teams. I feel besides it’s Microsoft (!) and it is a resource hugger plus why tf do I need a second app telling me I have a meeting besides the main one (outlook) it’s okayish? Maybe because I was never allowed to try alternatives? Please, tell me
The app is awful and the website is even worse. It’s the epitome of everything wrong with modern web design in that it’s a massive bloated Javascript/React ridden mess.
Because Microsoft, and just the constant little BS problems I’m always having with it. Which are probably a result of being subjected to Microsofts shit QA processes. They’re always changing shit with it while the problems that have been there for years keep occurring. Also my work decided we don’t need actual desk phones because Teams calls work just as well (they don’t).
I don’t think I hate teams for the same reason as most on this site. My gripe is the stability issues. Just at my department alone there are 20 different issues per teams. Some range from buttons working after a few presses to teams just bsod the device. On my laptop teams has a memory leak and which is persistent. I have to clear teams every week or it will not even start up anymore
I miss Skype. I think Zoom is better. It just worked in the browser, on a Linux host. The dependencies for Teams is icky to me.
I am logged in through vpn and use the web version. Microslop sucks
If possible: grab a router and install OpenWRT onto it, and turn it into a wireless bridge. Use the router to connect to the office WiFi, and have a wired connection to your laptop. Turn off the laptop’s wifi for good measure.
Alternatively, if work provides hard lines, bring your own router and turn off WiFi to provide a protected hardline.
There are many ways to prevent the computer from realizing what network you are on.
grab a router and install OpenWRT onto it, and turn it into a wireless bridge. Use the router to connect to the office WiFi, and have a wired connection to your laptop
A setup like that would trip our IT security. I actually killed all the phones on our floor by doing a simple packet route they didn’t recognize, they have the routers set to kill all the PoE and block all data when anything they don’t recognize comes through.
You have a network for employee’s personal phones and devices, correct? That still leads to the Internet, correct?
I mean, the entire point of such a network is to keep outside devices off of internal networks that have sensitive data. And because the insides of large buildings can be absolutely sucky at receiving LTE/5G data connections, employees can and will do anything needed to ensure they still have connectivity on personal devices. So just connect the router/bridge to that network, and Teams will be appropriately sanitized and think you are still at home.
Teams will be appropriately sanitized and think you are still at home.
I wouldn’t count on that in our IT environment. The one constant there is: change. Whatever works one week, they’ll screw around with it and make it different the week after that… I WFH and mostly on my own gear because getting things done with their supplied laptop is 50% fighting their ever-shifting “support.”
At work ?
I have seen very tiny router/bridges, clear down to an Ethernet dongle with a +5v USB power feed. Quite unobtrusive.
Please don’t come to GCCH.
Please don’t come to GCCH.
Please don’t come to GCCH.
