Those thing aren’t even radical left
They are in American political discourse. They are so radical they are completely off the table.
Yeah, radical left is more like: Seize the means of production! Abolish capitalism! Abolish patriarchy! Abolish the state!
What’s labelled as radical left in the OP is just bare minimum, common sense policies that any marginally sane person should want.
the radical left boogieman in my current rural small town actually wants all gender neutral bathrooms in schools, with kitty litter boxes in a stall for otherkin. And they will force you to use your own neopronouns, or they will cancel you, and will make you lose your job.
that’s what these people around here really believe the average neolib democrat wants for society.
Probably because “radial left” has no real leg to stand on right now and the big talking points of what the GOP call “radical left” are just this. Exhibit A.
We can theorize about radical left. Meanwhile, radical right is happening in real time.
Thats just leftism. Radical leftist is: kill all landlords, billionaires, politicians, fascists, any one in government before the revolution, ect…
IF YOU ARE NOT AT LEAST ADVOCATING FOR WORKERS CONTROLLING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION THEN YOU ARE NOT A LEFTIST, YOU ARE LEFT LEANING AT BEST BUT STILL A CENTRIST.
Yap yap.
I don’t think you have a left in the US. You have far right and center right. In Germany it’s like you had only AfD and CDU and that’s it.
I mean it’s still obvious which choice is better but none of them is left.
Americans think universal healthcare is leftist.
it takes power from private companies and puts it into the hands of the government, which sounds pretty leftist to me.
What is state capitalism, Alex.
From the 20th century, we have the ideological war against USSR to thank for that. It started all the way back with Wilson. After WWII, the threat of nuclear annihilation was a powerful tool for nationalism. (I’d learn only recently that a first strike was far more likely to come from US than USSR, and we had some dangerous war hawks in power.)
Before that, after reconstruction came redemption and corporate interests took over both parties.
Before that, roads, schools, bridges, libraries and such were socialism giving the working man benefits to which they didn’t contribute (we just contributed all the labor). Yes, they called it socialism even back in the 19th century.
Do observe that adherence to neoliberalism in the EU (which is essentially corporatism with extra steps) is driving the rise of far right movements even over there. And when the tech-bros and white Christian nationalists over here are done bleeding the US dry like its private equity, they’ll be headed over there with their vast wealth to do the same thing.
You can go back further than that.
The 1917 russian revolution kicked it off. The fear of a workers revolution happening in the US started a campaign of labelling everything socialist and communist as anti-american.
even before then . . . the US has one of the bloodiest labor histories in the world. So to hide that, even in the 19th century US capitalists started claiming that socialism and unions were unamerican, and the work of subversive radicals, especially Germans and Jews.
American 2 party system is so fucked that anything left of rabid, far right fascism is considered far left
We don’t have a large, cohesive, left party. There are people who are certainly left in the USA, but we have no real representation out of a handful of congress people.
Isn’t Die Linke gaining ground on the polls though?
Somewhat, yes. Whatever votes they get, they mostly take over from SPD and Greens, though. All three of those parties moved to the right significantly, so even if there is a majority for the three of them together some day and if (the bigger one) SPD and Greens enter into a coalition with Die Linke, my impression is that it won’t be that different from the SPD/Greens coalition at the turn of the century or the SPD/Greens/Liberals coalition in the past election cycle: center-left at best, but far from substantial improvements to our economy, social security system or imperialist foreign policy. :(
Centrist: a right winger that doesn’t want to face the realities of either situation.
A lot of centrists, are frankly, kind of weak minded. A lot are not necessarily more right leaning but they don’t exactly have strong conviction. A friend of mine is right leaning on immigration and economics but at the same time he voted for the social democrats in his country because of over a decade of right wing government and supports Palestine. Some are centrists for the sake of being centrist it seems.
The problem as to why many centrists sound right leaning is because the right captured prominent media platforms, and a huge part of its audience are lonely folks who are susceptible to misinformation, which my friend falls into. Many don’t become firmly on right but that doesn’t matter for the right wing billionaires funding the media platforms. It’s about sowing enough doubt to prevent forming a united front against the billionaire-Epstein class.
your a centrest because your scared of taking a stance on most important questions of the current moment
I’m a centrist because I don’t know anything about the most important questions of the current moment
We are sort of the same
Encouraging people to find and listen to independent news media is one of the more effective things you can do for the resistance.
By the way, you should add more independent news media to your news diet.
Also, generally, if something makes you scared or mad, go online and look for other sources discussing the same story. It’ll not only provide nuance, but it’ll reveal what’s fact, and what is opinion or assertion.
they forgot about gays and people of colors in video games! /s
Radical Right: Dismantle democratic elections (to stay in power)
Radical Left: Make elections freer and fairer (to have a say in governance)
Centrists: Let’s meet in the middle and dismantle half of elections once every 4 years, eh?
also, when voters don’t vote for the candidates we force on them, it’s their fault!
It still is.
I always considered myself a centrist. Of course, over the last 15 years the one side has become so damn batshit crazy it looks like I’m a party line voter simply based on my voting record.
I’m sure you mean the far left ultra radical anti-American tankie-sexuals, right?
I really don’t trust models that assert that tankies are on the left.
Left wing politics is about distributing political power as widely and evenly as possible. Tankies are authoritarians who like autocracy brutally enforced. That’s the opposite.
Vanishingly few people who use the term know what it means, who invented it, or why it’s currently in circulation.
It’s just a pejorative now. More often than not used to tell anti-war activists to shut up, because being anti-war is no different than surrendering to The Evil People.
The radical part of the dems are the centrist
Yeah where is the Tubular Left and the Gnarly Right.
Why do I have to choose between the radical left and the radical right?
What if I’m a male xenophobic racist who wants women to exist as sex toys to men and have no rights of their own and supports killing random civilians and children in other countries, especially when it grows in to genocide, but also wants a good life for the common male workers of the country, universal healthcare, and a sustainable climate?
I want that universal health care and education, I want more affordable homes and such, but I also want to see goon squads in the street beating brown people with batons as often as possible because it makes me laugh. Why can’t I have both?
i knew people in university who probably actually thought this way.
Sadly if you just look at the last paragraph and replace the brown people bit with whoever a person feels justified to hate it seems like most people think something along these lines.
People who still buy Harry Potter books or merchandise? Republicans? People from cultures where homosexuality is considered wrong who honestly speak about their own views?
I think many of the loving tolerant folk of the internet would be thrilled with a world of universal health care, education, affordable homes, and seeing some or all of those people beaten in the streets.
you can probably get 90% approval by having it be pedophiles getting beaten in the street, but society isn’t ready for that conversation
STOP MAKING ME CHOOSE
says Threads account run by a DC corporate think tank.
We need some police. Just some.
But not these ones, better ones.
Social workers? Yes. Police as we know them? Nope. Proper education and mental health services will solve 99% of the problems. Most crime is unresolved personal issues and taking care of people will take care of the problems.
people that steal cars are one of the best uses for the current police, and if the police actually faced proper punishment for not kamikazing into mass shooters that would be another great use
Just enough to kill the untermenchen and keep people from objecting to my atrocities where I can hear. That’s such a reasonable thing I don’t know why they’re complaining there are too many.
center is bullshit. You’re the center for your view
Is that really Alison rosen now? Or was she joking herself? Stupid screenshot culture and no link…
This leaves out disarming the citizenry, defunding law enforcement, opening the borders, etc. This is a meme so the intentional skewing both makes sense and is tongue in cheek, but judging by the discussions here, there are a lot of people who seem to be taking this too much at face value.
What part of “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” is advocating for disarming the citizenry?
You’re so heavily influenced by the right that you don’t even know what the radical left looks like. You’re still talking about liberals.
Advocating for workers controlling the means of production is not radical leftism, its just leftism. Radical would be to seize the means and kill all the billionaires and landlords.
True, but to liberals anyone left of Copmala is a leftist pinko.
I am 100% in agreement, but where in US politics is the left actually following Marx’s view on gun ownership? What percentage of the US Left actually agrees and owns guns? I wish it was a significant percentage, but since Leftist gun culture is generally hidden on top of being a minority the optics indicate a very small percentage.
Blue states are the ones with gun bans, and the Democrat party is the big tent attempting to contain the “far Left”. Just because actual far Leftists don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean either poster in the meme aren’t talking about Republican and Democrat parties.
Hell, look at the next comment on my post to find someone saying disarming the populace is great. I would hazard a guess they would consider themselves to be Left.
You’re still talking about liberals.
Dude, you have no clue.
What about though? Is there a large and thriving Radical Left gun culture that is regularly out in public and on places like YouTube, being vocal, and being proactive like sueing States and Cities for gun bans that I don’t know about? If there is an actual Leftist version of the NRA that I can also support please let me know so I can do so.
I will still be a Capitalism with guardrails and regulations over Communism type of guy, but want to be able to vote for Universal Healthcare, cessation of Corporate power overreach, fair taxation of millionaires and billionaires, etc without also voting against my 2A rights.
You have no clue.
Marx is very clear about not disarming the proletariat.
Very true, Marx had very similar reasons as the US founding fathers for the rights of citizens to be armed. I am not deeply emersed in communist/radical leftist spaces to know exactly how the numbers split, but I do know there are at least a significant percentage who believe it to be obsolete reasoning and not applicable to modern society and arms.
All of those things sound great lol.
I’m sure they do for some people, I was just pointing out that anything without solid widespread appeal with the liberal left and moderates was left out.
Of course you are one of them, right?
btw, does anyone have something to see threads posts without gettin on threads website?
