Well, everybody born in the american continent is technically “american” too, including Central and South America. Is there a specific term in english for these people?

Edit: Thanks for all your answers, especially the wholesome ones and those patient enough to explain it thoroughly. Since we (South Americans) and you (North Americans) use different models/conventions of continent boundaries, it makes sense for you to go by “Americans”, while it doesn’t for us.

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    There’s not a clear and conscience alternative to “American.” If you’re trying to differentiate us from other people from the Americas you’d just say US Citizen. And while yes the entirety of this hemisphere is some variation of America be it North, Central, or South the other countries here have distinct names and we really don’t.

    At the risk of sounding like a typical US asshole, here goes nothing. This is how I’ve explained it to friends from Europe and it seemed to help.

    If Brazil had decided to go by the name “United States of Brazil” we would still call them Brazilians because there is another country with the title “United States” that also exists. Similar to how we call people from the Peoples Republic of China, Chinese. We don’t call them “People’s Republicans” because that’s a title not a unique identifier or name. What if that same country decided to go by the name the Peoples Republic of Asia instead, would we call them Peoples Republicans or would we call them Asians?

    The title “United States” is telling you that this area is united together and the borders represent states, not country’s. “America” tells you where those united states are, the continent of America. The term “American” is generalized and honestly doesn’t accurately represent the vast cultural differences within the United States. The states often have their own rights and laws separate from the US government and also unique cultures. Ideally we would be called by our states name for its citizens like Californian or New Yorker, for example. Similar to how you would refer to people from Europe as European unless you wanted to be specific to Italy, then you’d say Italian. But sometimes you need a general term, hence “American.”

    All that being said, it is problematic and a massive reminder of this country’s bloodthirsty and genocidal colonization of a large part of North America. Looking at the country’s past shows that they were very much trying to also get central and south America as part of the United States. What better way to propagandize and make it look like they had every right to the rest of the Americas than to make it appear as though this country or that country already was America and therefore should be part of these United States? But however problematic it is this is the name we have now, for better or worse.

    As an addendum of sorts. We Indigenous Americans would often much rather be called by the names of our sovereign Nations yet everyone calls us Native American. Why is that? Food for thought that might help with understanding the problematic struggle we have here. It’s not simply us as citizens that perpetuate the issue, it’s a global colonization effort whether the others realize they are participating or not. (Spoiler: they realize)

    tldr: because colonization + United States is a title not a name

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      First off, thank you for your great response.

      And yeah, I kinda get that “United States” is just a title, but in my native language (portuguese) we have a specific word for americans: “estadunidense”, which basically means “person born in the USA”

      I was just wondering if there was a similar word in english that could be used specifically to these people, just like we have in portuguese. But again, thanks for your answer.

      Also, fun fact: Brazil was actually called “United States of Brazil” for a short period, and our flag looked like a copy of yours, but in yellow and green. But then our king (thankfully) decided to go just by “Brazil”

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        That’s so interesting! I didn’t know that Brazil was also a “United States.”

        I wish that there was a name for US Citizens in the same way but with English being such a shit show combination of too many different languages, I don’t know if that’ll be possible. The only way I see it happening is if the US just “adopts” a word from someone else’s culture, that’s usually how English gets a new word or term.

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        One way around it is just to say “I’m from the US”. I know it’s not quite what you asked but based on what everyone else has said about why we’re simply “Americans” then I suggest this as an alternative. Also like they said, referring to yourself by state of residence works too, for instance “Texan” or “Californian” since they’re basically just as well known as the US itself at this point.

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      If Brazil had decided to go by the name “United States of Brazil” we would still call them Brazilians because there is another country with the title “United States” that also exists.

      You dont have to make up an example. Mexico’s real name is United states of Mexico, and we call it mexico and Mexicans.

      Source: am mexican

      (And I hate Americans as much as the average person)

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      I would argue against the annexation on central and south American and this would be purely a pedantic note.they want a hegemonic influence but not the responsibility of dominion over latin america. For instance They had backed an early coupe against mx that dethroned French backed mx emperor and conquered mx not too long after. They did not annex mexico. They backed a coupe to separate panama from its previous governing body, wrote extremely factorable terms for the canal, did not annex panama. Backed revolt against Spain in Puerto Rico and Cuba and didn’t annex either. Backed militants in Nicaragua and didn’t annex. Basically they want the resources but not want to build and maintain the roads, schools, police. Which is in my opinion is different than a complete land grab.

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      “vast cultural differences within the United States” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂😂

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    I knew one that was called “Doug”. I’m not sure how much of a generalisation one can make from that though, but it seemed to work for him.

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    “American” is the official name, though throughout history attempts have been made to find alternatives. You can read more on the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonyms_for_the_United_States

    The only officially and commonly used alternative for referring to the people of the United States in English is to refer to them as citizens of that country.[18] Another alternative is US-American,[19] also spelled US American.

    Several single-word English alternatives for American have been suggested over time, especially Usonian, popularized by architect Frank Lloyd Wright,[20] and the nonce term United-Statesian.[21]

    Writer H. L. Mencken collected a number of proposals from between 1789 and 1939, finding terms including Columbian, Columbard, Fredonian, Frede, Unisian, United Statesian, Colonican, Appalacian, Usian, Washingtonian, Usonian, Uessian, U-S-ian, Uesican, and United Stater.[22] Names for broader categories include terms such as Western Hemispherian, New Worlder, and North Atlantican.[23][24][25]

    Nevertheless, no alternative to “American” is common in English.[18]

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        That sentence stumped me too, really weird wording. Apparently it means “rare, seldom used” in US English.

        Edit: just checked Urban Dictionary and welp, I didn’t foresee the British slang meaning o_O

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      I’m definitely going to start using Usonian. It seems the most natural. We probably can’t use Colombian because… you know…that’s a country already haha

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      Yankee (or Yank) is a colloquial term for Americans in English; cognates can be found in other languages. Within the United States, Yankee usually refers to people specifically from New England or the Northern United States, though it has been applied to Americans in general since the 18th century, especially by the British.[26] The earliest recorded use in this context is in a 1784 letter by Horatio Nelson.[26]

      I might start calling Americans Yankees

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        You will almost certainly annoy or piss off some Southerners (Those of the United States south of the Mason-Dixon Line, that is), then.

        So definitely do it.

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          Some British guy said something like,“I bet the yanks won’t like that” (Whatever it was, I can’t remember). I replied,“Hell, the confederates won’t like it much either” He was very confused.

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          Anyone that takes offense to being called a Yank is someone that would’ve been happily fighting for the Confederates during the Civil War. So fuck 'em.

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            Not necessarily - there’s also a MLB team with this name, so folks from different regions of the US may get pissed off/confused.

            It just sounds weird to me personally, but I know it’s not an uncommon term in places like the UK/EU & I don’t take offense.

            Depends on where the person using the term is from I guess?

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        Do it, it’s probably the best option really. Feel free to call us Yanks too. Unlike the others proposed it’s one where any of us will know what you mean

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      Yankees are only people from the North East US, like New York. Calling someone from California a Yankee would be laughable.

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        In the US, sure.

        Outside, a Yankee is a Yankee, even if they’re cosplaying a ghost while standing in front of a burning cross and waving a confederate flag. We don’t care enough to ask in which state they had the misfortune of being born. 🤷‍♂️

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          It’s like calling someone in the UK English even though they live in Scotland. You sound stupid but yeah only those people care

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            Yeah, but British is a thing, and everyone knows about it (the British made damn well sure, back when they were the main global bully)… American, on the other hand, doesn’t work, because it refers to the whole damn continent, not just the USA… so if we want to refer to the citizens of the US Yankee / Yank is about the only option we have; not the best, maybe, but probably the least worst.

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              In my experience living in Ireland and traveling to other English-speaking countries you’re at least as likely to be called an “American” as you are “yank.”

              The reason why is that it dates back to the British Empire and the fact that British subjects lived in the “American” colonies for at least 200 years before they gained independence. By that time the usage in the British Empire, of referring to people from the “American” colonies as “Americans,” was pretty well baked into informal English usage and it never really died out.

              Linguistics doesn’t tell us how language should work in a prescriptive sense, it just tells us why it works and how it’s used and why every language we know of is full of logical inconsistencies, especially English.

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        Only in the US. In the rest of the English-speaking world many people don’t know or don’t care about these differences and it’s just a blanket term for all Americans.

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      How to be murdered by someone from Boston or a southerner who’s still not over the civil war

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    Only one country on those countries has the word “America” in its name.

    It’s commonly understood by all but the most pedantic that “americans” refers exclusively to inhabitants of the USA.

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      So they should call them American Americans, or Americericans for short; like I talk about English English because calling it British English implies Scots talk the same way.

      ;-)

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    North and South America are so big and diverse that there’s really no usage for the term “American” being used to refer to everyone on both continents. US just took the term for themselves and no one really cared enough to complain

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      Spanish speaking nations complain. They don’t mean USA when they say Americano

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        Holup being from Spanish America I promise you Americano does in fact mean American, despite all complaints.

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          What are you talking about? all my life it’s been “estadounidense”. Americano was always politically charged and used by those promoting globalization.

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          Que chucha, acá siempre usamos estadounidense, norte americano, o derechamente gringo. Jamás he escuchado a nadie decir americano para referirse específicamente a los de EEUU.

          Excepto la ropa americana, pero ese es otro contexto cultural que no tiene anda que ver con la discusión.

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            Jamás he escuchado a nadie decir americano para referirse específicamente a los de EEUU.

            I have in Mexico. Strangely “estadounidense” is not something a Mexican would call themselves.

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      Not everyone who identifies as American has citizenship, and not everyone with citizenship identifies as American. It’s not synonymous.

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              Yes, not everyone born in the US identifies as American. I’ve had friends who were born there while their parents were traveling and while they are technically US citizens they wouldn’t consider themselves American as they’ve never lived there and aren’t culturally American at all. I’ve also known people who were born outside the US and brought there at an early age who definitely consider themselves American even though their legal status is a mess. It’s the only country they’ve ever known.

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                I understand what you are saying, but it doesn’t relate to the question.

                The question is asking what do you call someone born in the US besides “American”, no matter what way you spin it, they are a US Citizen until they decide to get citizenship in another country. This is also obviously different from being born on US soil, which implies your parents were not citizens themselves.

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                  I’m not really getting how born in the US and born on US soil have different meanings in the context of this conversation.

                  A completely different tangent: lots of Americans aren’t born in the US. Which kinda messes up OPs question also. Like, yes, technically you can call most people born in the US a US citizen, but you can also call lots of people not born in the US that.

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        US residents are not Americans. They can identify all they want but it doesn’t make it true.

        I might relate to Americans on many things but unless I move there and become a citizen I’ll never be American.

        I don’t disagree with your second sentence though. Considering that some US citizens inherited their citizenship from their parents but never lived there for prolonged periods of time. For them, being a US citizen is just a technicality.

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    I like to call them Muricans. Sure, it may sound super similar to “Americans”, but it’s different enough to sorta make things clearer.

    I’m joking. This idea is horrible.

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    Language rules (in English at least) are descriptive not prescriptive. They try to explain why Americans are called Americans, not determine what they’re called. They’re called Americans, whether or not it’s logical, or the ideal descriptor, or fits with other names, that’s what they’re called.

    Also most English speaking countries don’t have an “American” continent, they have North and South America as separate continents, so you would say someone is North or South American to refer to the continent, not just American. Similar to how some people consider Eurasia a single continent but very few people would identify as Eurasian.

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      When referring to the entire continent, I’ve heard “The Americas” in English.

      Just a reminder: Central America is another division of the American continent.

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      Um

      AKSHUALLY

      It’s debatable that North and South America are separate continents. I prefer the continental plate system but some countries literally teach that there is an “American” continent that includes both landmasses.

      They also typically merge Europe and Asia, which is absolutely the right thing to do regardless.

      The reason you have this disagreement is that there simply isn’t a good, concise definition of “continent,” and because at the end of the day it only matters for semantics and racism.

      So the number of continents in the world is between 5 to 7, all debatably correct, depending on who you ask.

      Possibly even 4 if you want to get particularly spicy and say any large, connected landmass is a single continent, merging Africa, Europe, and Asia into a single entity.

      Which is also a more valid take than “Europe is its own continent because white people live there.”

      Edit: I forgot to mention the Indian homies are more deserving of a continent than Europe, thanks to having their own tectonic plate.

      Tl;DR the world has 4-8 continents, but it is typically taught as anywhere from 5-7, it just depends on how actually consistent you want to be with your rules for what defines a continent, and 7 is just straight up the scientifically worst option unless India is recognized as a separate continent from Eurasia.

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        Yeah that’s kinda my point haha. Continents are made up and don’t mean anything. If you’re going by plates then there’s dozens of continents.

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    A “US-American” if you need to be very clear. But most people just say “American”.

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    To add a bit of context, it isn’t arrogance or something that drives us to use “American” as a demonym, it’s just the linguistic norm. I don’t find any of the other names offensive (except seppo, but that one is meant to offend me), but most of us would probably do a double take at the term “USican” or “USian.” Virtually all of us would accept Yankee.

    Further reading: the full name of Mexico is the United Mexican States. If we wanted to be pedantic, we could say that using the reference to the US would be ambiguous, as they too are technically a US.