For what reason would men randomly approach women? Women online have made it clear that doing so results in being made fun of, that women hate the features of testosterone-having men, and they’ve made it clear there is a long list of “icks” that you can’t have.

The only dating i do is within the circles of friends.

Currently working on an absolute package, btw. Funny, fun, beautiful, sheeeeeesh.
The heart flutters at the thought.

Maybe because they are getting advice from other men how to trick a girl into giving them sex, this why alot look to pickup artist, it involves manipulation and tricks. They got so used to it, they don’t even ask people

So… Over the phone doesn’t count? Texting doesn’t count? Email? Those don’t count? I would think that in this day and age texting would be the normal way to ask a girl out for a first date.

You know it’s REALLY hard for someone not super social to ask a girl out in person. I’m 50 and i think I’ve never asked a girl out for a first date in person… But then again, I am an introverted nerd so that’s probably to be expected. Hell, I asked the girl I ended up marrying out over email…

These types of posts always get so spicy, and not in a fun way.

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Disclaimer: I’m not 18-25.

I have a ton of women friends (more than men ATM) and have solid evidence that I am a significantly attractive man. I’m also bi so my options are a tad more broad than average.

Even with this I can say that dating is unpleasant and I have never asked for one and barely do them (women are rarely bold enough to be the initiator). It feels like a socially awkward job interview where I have to spend money I don’t have and I fucking hate job interviews.

Admittedly, I also am autistic, socially anxious, and sexually repressed (American sex culture sucks).

This thread is an example of why men aren’t dating.

“I’ve had painful lived experiences and faced unbalanced and unfair expectations, so I’ve decided dating isn’t worth my time right now”

“You’re an incel”

It doesn’t really matter what you say, it’s the fact that you said it as a man that will garner disrespect from some regardless.

Do people ask each other out or do they just hang out?

I don’t really see a good time in dating strangers, so bars and speed dating are unappealing. Same for dating apps. I’d rather have an outing with someone who I am familiar with and already jive with as a friend.

I don’t think that these stats really matter that much because I already know that I’m not represented in these stats. That’s obviously a biased view, but I don’t think it’s necessarily a incorrect for being biased.

I usually get people asking for my number or socials when they’re interested, asking out tends to happen over electronic communication after that.

My process is basically

1. Casual conversation- if you don’t hit it off naturally here, let it go.
2. Reciprocal flirting
3. Exchange contact info
4. Develop friendship
5. Ask out directly
6. ???
7. Go back to 1

I also get told I’m very attractive in various verbage near daily so 🤷‍♀️

Idk, just be respectful and don’t be pushy if they’re trying to let you down (and pay attention for if they’re trying to do it gently)

Let me offer a scenario; two drunk people who wouldn’t normally go near each other spend a night together. The morning comes, regret is in the air for both parties, which of these two people is most at risk?

The correct answer is: “the one who doesn’t accuse the other on social media”.

Just remember, no-one gave any indication of gender there. It’s not really about gender at this point - it’s the fact we’ve constructed a world where a casual encounter has the potential to become the prisoner’s dilemma if it is regretted afterwards.

That’s not a world where people take risks on a date, especially if physical intimacy is on the cards. To much risk!

After my long relationship (7+), i started dating again. Unfortunately i discovered that no one is looking for a meaningful connection or a serious conversation. Everyone wants to catered and be heard, no one wants to listen for just a second. I actively stopped myself from flirting/dating anymore, it’s just a complete waste of time 🤷‍♂️im sorry to say many many many girls are VERY VERY superficial people.

reading this thread I’m glad I’m a removed in a relationship. my spouse is the best. i got so fucking lucky.

there’s a massive epidemic of loneliness out there. the loss of the free/cheap third spaces, lockdowns, and social media have made a fucking shitstorm. I’m scared for the generations below me just starting to enter the workforce. so many kids just unable to function properly.

i can’t solve it. but I’ve been putting my devices down more and (trying) to get out more. get more sunlight and fresh air, even if i just sit outside and watch the ducks. it’s hard out there. give yourself a break, okay? eat a snack and take a walk.

I’m 41 now but I haven’t gone on a date-date in 3 years or so. The TL;DR online dating is absolutely not worth participating in. Neither is speed dating, and people are isolating more and more.

I’m not wildly attractive but I’m not unattractive either. I’m probably like a 6 or a 7. I think I’m interesting and can hold a reasonable conversation. I’m intelligent. I’ve been told I’m funny (sometimes). I am a bit clumsy sometimes though. I’ve been in two long term (3+ years) relationships in my life but one of those relationships ended due to alcohol (we mutually sucked at the time), and the other due to financial reasons. Both hurt pretty deep when they ended and I didn’t date for a couple years after either of those.

In the time that I wasn’t feeling some form of loss from relationships that meant something, I tried online dating. I tried OkCupid, Bumble, PlentyOfFish, some bullshit regarding a bagel, Tinder, match.com, etc. I probably tried any of them that were active at the time. Not once did it ever amount to a relationship, in probably 15 years of using those sites off and on. I’ve unquestionably had more bad experiences than good. 9 out of 10 dates are bad. 1 ouf of 10 are ok. The worst time I recall was when a woman drugged me after our date. Another bad time I can recall, my date showed up on drugs or drunk or just incredibly stupid or something. She racked up a $110 bar tab during our 30 minute meet and greet and dipped out without saying anything at all or paying the bill. I was once catfished (is it catfishing when it’s just straight up someone else’s picture, or does it have to be your own picture doctored up / photoshopped to be considered catfishing?) by a co-worker on Bumble. I’ve been stood up for a first date at three or four times. I’ve been cancelled on an hour or two before a date at least 15 times.

The last time I had an online date, everything seemed to be going fine, we had a drink at the first bar, established that we seemingly got along, went on a walk around downtown, check out a show and then all of a sudden I’m being told about a sex kit that she purchased from a vending machine while I was in the bathroom that she wants to try out. I thought she was pretty cool before that. I wasn’t 100% sure if I was attracted to her, but I knew we at least got along on a person-to-person level. Telling me about a sex kit like that on the first date was a “eh, hard pass” for me. Women have either been fully uninterested in me; or so interested in me that I find it repulsive.

Speed dating is also, completely shit; and it’s a scam. The first time I tried speed dating, it was some website where you pick your city, your age range, and then what event you’d want to attend based on your other parameters. They take your money, and then send you an email a day before the event saying the event is cancelled because they couldn’t get enough people, but you cannot have a refund either. Then you attempt to re-schedule and it gets cancelled a second time for the same reason, then a third. Finally - you attend one of these things in person, end up getting “3 matches” emailed to you, and then you attempt to make contact and never hear from anyone ever again.

I felt like a complete horses’ ass when I attempted to do speed dating a second time 12 years later and had a very similar experience. This second time around though, I did a charge back on my credit card after the 3rd cancellation because “they couldn’t get enough people to attend.” Thanks for nothing Troy.

After soooo many bad experiences, and never having any success with what are the now conventional methods, and coming to the realization that I’m likely halfway dead now… I feel like I have a trauma response to the idea of dating at this point. I’d still like to be in a happy relationship, but even thinking about trying the methods I’ve tried in the past one more time causes me anxiety.

I’m introverted by nature, and as of 7 months ago, I live alone in a state, where I also work remotely from home and know no one. When I first got here, I tried a few events from Meetup.com thinking, “hey, maybe this is how 40-year-olds make friends,” but didn’t enjoy anything that I went to, other than the events where people sit in an audience quietly and watch someone else on stage. I found a really cool thing that I like attending where anyone is welcome to get up on stage and tell an 8 minute story about pretty much anything - fact or fiction. I really enjoy attending these, but it’s no way to meet people. The epidemic in question is absolutely not just about dating. It’s about making friends too.

I imagine I’m not alone in my experiences.