Its all a show, this bill has no chance of passing and they know this. The Democrat resistance is nothing more than smoke and pretty words.
If I had a nickel for every time a congressperson told me they introduced a new bill to address some issue, I’d be rich. In the age of Trump, people aren’t hoping their representatives are going to introduce dead on arrival legislation; they’re hoping their representatives will lead a national movement. We need people in the streets daily. We need occupy DC.
As much as I appreciate this proposal, now is not the time for more identity politics. Now it’s a fight for basic democracy, the rule of law and against corruption.
Get out there and DO SOMETHING, Democrats
That’s great and all. But you seem to forget, “It’s the economy stupid.”
You lot need to join Bernie and AOC’s campaign.
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Democrats spent a solid year supporting an ongoing genocide.
You no longer get to pretend to be good.
Tankies literally ally with the bad to fight the good. And perfect doesn’t exist.
Anyone who is against fascism is an ally in the fight against fascism, no matter how flawed.
We can settle other differences by talking them out, but that can never be done with fascism because it only ever listens to painful consequences.
That implies democrats are good, which… uh… gestures broadly.
Democrats, generally speaking, are imperfect, but not systemically bad.
Uh… gestures broadly again? Democrats are seat warmers whose number 1 goal is to make sure the left doesn’t take power. Their number 2 goal is to make sure neoliberals stay in power both in the party and in the government. They’re systemically inadequate and systemically enforce their inadequacy on the American people. They’re at least as much of a problem as Republicans themselves.
The Democrats passed legislation that cut child poverty IN HALF. They passed the largest healthcare overhaul in a generation against unwaivering opposition from the entire GOP. They established the CFPB. They’ve pushed a ton of climate legislation. There’s plenty of good things the Democrats have done, even with absolutely razor thin margins and ZERO help from the other party.
And to be clear: the Democratic party has fucking sucked donkey balls for decades, but they are nowhere near the level of malevolence that conservatives present.
They’re at least as much of a problem as Republicans themselves.
This is such a giant load of horseshit and should result in literally everyone discounting what you say. You are living in a completely different reality. This both sides nonsense is exactly that.
They passed the largest healthcare overhaul in a generation against unwaivering opposition from the entire GOP.
They had a supermajority and what did they pass? Literally Romneycare. Like dude if this is your “the DNC is good” pitch then you should think about the possibilities that they squashed by making their healthcare “overhaul” a literal Republican policy.
There’s plenty of good things the Democrats have done, even with absolutely razor thin margins and ZERO help from the other party.
Where did I imply otherwise? I didn’t say they’re out there causing damage on the scale of the Republicans; you have Republicans for that. I said they’re inadequate, which you seem to agree with.
And to be clear: the Democratic party has fucking sucked donkey balls for decades, but they are nowhere near the level of malevolence that conservatives present.
And who stops you when you try to make the sort of radical change necessary to stop conservatives from taking power? Hint: It’s the fucking neoliberals. Who stole the candidacy from Bernie not once but twice? Again the fucking neoliberals. And who’s trying to stop David Hoggs from trying replacing the people doing all this with young progressives (aka people exceeding the bare minimum of political competence and human decency)? Again the fucking neoliberals.
You need both the rachet and the gear to keep up this bad boy, and that’s the point I’m trying to make. The Democrats’ role in this nonsense isn’t to ruin everything (though they do some of that too), but to pave the way for Republicans to take power and ruin everything.
this is such a fucking waste of time and is nothing more than pandering bullshit. we don’t want you to try to pass something that WON’T PASS and WON’T STOP FASCISM. please do something more. please do something that fucking matters.
You are wanting people whose literal job is to legislate, which they were elected to do in order to represent the voice of their constituents on legislative matters, to stop trying to legislate in an effort to build legal walls to defend against fascism?
This is a case where we need the dog-and-pony show. We need everyone doing everything they can, especially the foundational things, so that later on no one can say “why didn’t they just try the normal way and things wouldn’t have been so difficult?”
Edit: we need our representatives to be doing more, I agree there, but I’m saying we need them do AT LEAST do their job, and we should probably be saying “Yes, and…” to them instead of just “you’re doing it wrong.”
Man I have to agree with OP. Do these things like a Dem version of Project 2025. Have an equality agenda when in power and actually make those changes. Fight facism now, because equality doesn’t mean shit if everyone in power is facist. They are deporting US Citizens for God’s sake.
nothing more than virtue signalling at this point, they know if they used it earlier, they probably wont have leverage over the voters to vote for them anymore. thier just stringing people long enough where they can still grift and quickly retire to another country or a wealthy community, where they are untouchable by the plebs.
if you can’t see through this charade i don’t know what to tell you.
nothing more than shore up some of thier dem elections in the futures, nothing more. its basically like republicans doing the opposite but it never passes in the senate too.
please do something more. please do something that fucking matters.
Okay.
As members of Congress, what, exactly, should they be doing?
Get violent, break decorum. Yell. SCREAM! Tell the world that these fascist motherfuckers are throwing lives away. Do goddamn anything that will mean you have to fucking LOSE something for once in your fucking life. Our politicians live a life of luxury and convenience and you think them writing a bill that they know will fail is a fucking good deed. like honestly, fuck you, you fucking liberal piece of shit. you are half the reason we are in this mess in the first place.
Okay. So will breaking decorum, yelling, and screaming will ‘pass’ or stop fascism?
can you imagine the response from the general public if they saw our members of Congress literally fighting against fascism? it would be otherworldly and could help inspire millions of Americans to take up a genuine, true rebellion and fight. if these so-called antifascists in government are truly that then they need to physically prevent the fascists from being able to do their job. we elected them for that because we can’t FUCKING do it, now can we? can you just go in there and stop it?
So, “They’re pandering to the wrong people; I want them to pander by doing different useless symbolic actions.”
About what I figured.
no no, you misunderstand me: i want AOC to literally beat the shit out of her coworkers in order to prevent Trump from sending another fucking child with cancer out of this country or a legal resident to El Salvador never to return
is that clear?
Okay, how will AOC ‘beating the shit’ out of GOP Congressmen stop ICE from deporting children?
You are right. This current government is a “We the People” problem, not a “You the Politician” problem.
Obstruct. Filibuster. Gum up the works.
a little too late, how bout introducing something more effectively like limiting his ability to give out tariffs, or protecting voters from voter suppression.
Seems like some dems are starting to grow a spine and actually act like opposition. I doubt it’ll last though.
Seems like some dems are starting to grow a spine and actually act like opposition.
And look at the top comments on this thread to see how much Lemmy hates them for that.
I remember constant complaints of “The Dems didn’t even TRY anything, they should have proposed bills even if they knew it would fail!” before the second Trump presidency.
Now it seems the chorus has changed to “I can’t believe they’re trying something they know will fail!”
Curious.
its more like senator warren introducing the flag legislation which was meaniningless.
Turns out that when they actually get a majority, they need to reintroduce and actually vote for bills, or they lose credibility.
Which is how you get people who realized in 2021 that your party is run by useless bums who only effectively represent the businesses exploiting us and of course netanyahu.
You want less cynicism, inspire less cynicism.
who the fuck was saying that other than your fellow coward-ass liberals?
The same kinds of Very Serious Leftists who are now saying spontaneous revolutionary action is the only solution that is acceptable.
no lmao
