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He seems like a decent person, and his platform is okay for the most part. He’s definitely better than the sex pest that is Cuomo, and so I guess it’s a win in that regard.
However, y biggest issue with him is that he has openly accepted the endorsement from the DSA. That is not a good sign. The DSA is the most vile and parasitic bunch on the American left. They openly simp for dictators and tyrannical regimes, they endorse violence, and they outright support terrorist groups. They’re genuinely the worst of the worst. The fact that he hasn’t rejected their endorsement, or at the very least ignored it, but instead accepted it with open arms is a major red flag.
Edit: I like how the DSA supporting cowards have nothing of value to say, just discretely downvote and scurry away. Fuck the DSA.
Who has less red flags?
Good point, the DSA is full of red flags literally and figuratively
Which terrorist organizations does the DSA support?
Hamas.
The terrorist attacks happened on Oct 7th. The world was in shock as it happened because that was the deadliest terrorist attack in the world has seen since the Camp Speicher massacre back in 2014 and 9/11.
Most people and governments around the world at the time condemned the terrorist attacks, they condemned Hamas for committing them, and they expressed sympathy for the victims. This was doubly so when Hamas took responsibility, proudly displayed videos of the attacks and the victims, and it became apparent that they took hundreds of hostages.
What did the NYC DSA do? They fucking organized a pro-Hamas rally on Oct 8th in SUPPORT of the terrorist attacks that literally happened the day before. They outright endorsed and celebrated the attacks on the streets. This isn’t an exaggeration, that’s literally what they did. You can literally google the rally and see this for yourself.
The rally was so disgusting, so immoral, and so evil that it caused an uproar around the world, including inside the DSA and the left in the US. So many people, including big politicians like AOC, Shri Thanedar, and Bowman, either quit or disassociated with the DSA:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/aoc-pro-palestine-nyc-rally-00120684
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/
The backlash was so strong, that the NYC DSA was forced to write a press release statement addressing their actions two days later on Oct 10th… and they came up with this:
https://socialists.nyc/press-releases/statement-peace-now-end-occupation-apartheid/
They didn’t condemn the terrorist attacks, they refused to name and condemn Hamas or the PIJ, they even refused to call the attacks as such, they instead called them “escalations of violence”. It’s like holding a pro-ISIS rally a day after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks, and then victim blaming the French people for the attacks. How tone deaf is that?
Keep in mind the context here, we’re not talking about the current day. This is before Israel started it’s bombing campaign on Gaza. At the time, a very egregious and straightforward atrocity happened. The human thing to do is to condemn it because terrorism is evil. This is why people condemn both the Oct 7th terrorist attacks and what Israel has been doing since, it’s because that’s the principled thing to do.
To this day, they still have never rescinded their support for Hamas or the terrorist attacks.
The DSA actually did something similar when Russia invaded Ukraine. Most people were in shock and they condemned Russia’s invasion and atrocities, but the parasitic DSA decided to “condemn” the invasion by blaming the US, Ukraine, and NATO for Putin invading.
https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
How are these not open endorsements of violence? How they are they not explicit support for terrorism? How are these positions not tone deaf and immoral? These parasites have no morals and they have no principles. Extremists like this need to be condemned and disavowed, not openly accepted. Mamdani’s acceptance of the DSA endorsement is a big red flag.
They will rig the general. Look to the firms in control of the individual machines and the tabulation servers…
use the same methods as the gop, which dnc never bother pursueing when it was reporting in all counties last nov 5 election.
Looks like Cuomo is planning to run as an independent to split the vote.
Considering Eric Adams already is running as an independent, Cuomo is more likely to siphon votes away from him. Although I think it will be ranked choice anyway, so “splitting” the vote won’t really matter.
You can split the vote in any system including ranked choice, it only means that there are some people who would choose Cuomo but if they weren’t there would vote for Adams instead.
The general is FPTP. Adams and Cuomo can fight for attention, they share the same demographic of assholes
That’s great that AIPAC had a backup plan
“Socialism” lol
It is a win though, it shows people are willing to vote for change
through alternative partiesand thats fucking hugeHe’s a Democrat, not 3rd party.
Because he had to run in the democratic primary in order to have a shot. He’s a member of the DSA tho—I feel like it’s disingenuous to call him just “a Democrat” (same with AOC)
AOC is a Democrat too, what is the issue? There are factions within the Democrats and she’s in one of them but afaict she is nowhere near as radical as she was depicted as being. Part of that is from getting slapped around by the leadership I’m sure.
Shit I will amend that. Forgot he won the democratic primary. He is still heavily associated with DSA though and this is well known.
It’s just a primary guys. Let’s hope he wins the seat.
It would take a catastrophe for him not to.
His opponents in the general are as follows:
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The corrupt former governor sex pest he just beat, running as an independent in order to get a do-over
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Current mayor in spite of being a hair’s breath from prison until he went full MAGA, always being a fascist cop (but I repeat myself) and genuinely unhinged, Eric Adams
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Perennial loser and hyper-racist vigilante lunatic Curtis Sliwa.
Not only are they all awful candidates in themselves, their core demographics also overlap to such a degree that it’ll be an upset if more than one of them reaches double digits!
If NYC uses ranked choice voting in the general as well and Cuomo learns from his disaster of a campaign then he might try coalition-building with Eric Adams or others to pull off a win by getting neoliberals and MAGA to gang up on Zohran. It’s a headscratcher for me because I never expect neoliberals to learn from their mistakes, and yet they might actually feel forced to because they never fail to pull out all the stops against progressives, let alone an actual socialist.
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If Cuomo runs 3rd party and the Dem establishment supports him, I’m going to fling that back at anyone who tells me to not vote 3rd party in a presidential election, lol.
You’re going to fling a high-profile and well-recognized (even amongst non-politically engaged voters) organization giving recognition and resources to a third party in a local (not even gubernatorial but) mayoral election as a counter defense for voting for a third party in a presidential election?
I’m going to flip out if the dems support Cuomo and I’m honestly half expecting them to
half expecting
Sweet summer child.
I’m fully expecting them to. The Dem leadership supporting an ACTUAL leftist is only SLIGHTLY more likely than them going full fascist and endorsing Curtis Sliwa…
“Vote blue no matter who”
Mamdani wins historic primary victory
“…shit”
If Cuomo runs 3rd party
He’s running as an independent, yes.
and the Dem establishment supports him
Unless they suddenly fall back in love with Adams or go full Sliwa, they will. They fight the left exactly as much as they accommodate the far right.
Last I heard, which I think was just hours old, is he’s still considering running as an independent. He hasn’t decided yet. I guess he’s waiting to see how much corporations will pay him?
Hey, nobody messes with the Zohran!
hope it annoys Adam Sandler.
Good. Zionists should suffer every day.
Social Democracy is not the same as Socialism. But, I wasn’t following the race, maybe he does want the public to own the means of production.
I get the hesitation since in US politics they often get conflated and I can’t say I’ve followed him very closely but someone else shared this. I know he’s also advocating for city owned grocery stores.
so he is a socialist?
From everything I’ve seen, yes, he’s an actual socialist.
The word gets used so often as a pejorative it’s weird to see it used accurately by that crowd.
Don’t worry, Fox was quoting Trump calling him a communist today.
Quite a lot of red states have state owned liquor stores,[0] so city owned grocery stores doesn’t sound that radical. Apparently, Atlanta is doing it.[1] I hadn’t heard of this idea before, but web search shows it is a thing. I’d consider it socialism if he also wants to close down the privately run grocery stores. He doesn’t seem to be doing that
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage_control_state
The government running public alternatives isn’t socialism. Socialism is specifically about control of the means of production. The only people who think socialism is when the government does stuff are Bernie bros who think Sweden is socialist and MAGA who also think Sweden is socialist. Basically, if someone think that Sweden is socialist then they have no idea what they’re talking about.
Apparently, Atlanta is doing it.[1]
I’m an Atlantan and this is the first I’m hearing of it. Neat!
Reading the article, though, it’s really just that the city is subsidizing a private business (and in one of the two cases, acting as its landlord) in order to create an incentive to open in a food desert, not actually getting into the business of operating a grocery store directly itself.
I mean, I got a loan from Invest Atlanta to help with the down payment on my house, but that doesn’t mean the city owns my house or that it’s some kind of ‘government housing.’
That’s a fair criticism. Usually with public-private partnerships there’s requirements they have to meet though. I’m curious what those are planned to look like. It could be something as lax as “continue operating at this location” or it could be “prices cannot exceed this value, and employees must have these things, etc.”
It could be a good start to actual state operated grocery stores, but starting from scratch and setting up the logistics is an insane barrier, and it’s also part of the issue. It’s too hard to compete with existing companies, so they can do whatever they want and no one else can reasonably enter the market to compete with them.
I see. Question then is whether the store operator gets to set the prices. Donald Trump of course lives in government housing right now, so that’s ok too.
I’m OK with it because maybe when they realize he’s just a guy making decisions to help his community, it will remove a smidge of the ZOMG SOCIALISM reaction to folks like not only him, but also Bernie, and maybe others who might like to call themselves social democrats instead of democrats.
If Bernie and AOC start the social democrat party tomorrow with Mamdani and others, I’m registering before the ink is dry.
Also Democratic Socialism (Mamdani’s beliefs) are not the same as Social Democracy. They are slightly different.
That kind of depends. Bernie claims to be a Democratic Socialist, but Europeans have said that his stated beliefs align more with Social Democracy. This may be another case of us Americans having a different definition than the rest of the world (like with liberal).
Real “Judean people’s front” vibes with that one
also the red underlined section of this post: https://lemmy.ml/post/32229216
No idea about Mamdani but does the election not mostly show that people hate Andrew Cuomo? He seemed awful.
and he was primiarly beeing pushed by republicans as a frontrunner, go figure.
No, this campaign was everything you could ask for
His core platform - free and faster buses, free childcare, rent freezes, and no one making less than $1M will be paying for any of it
It’s simple, it’s hard to fear monger against, and it’s things the people want. The best they had was “but he’s Muslim”
Thanks, interesting, but I wish him luck delivering on any of that.
You can just skip the “but”. Other policy makers either horribly fail with their much shittier policies all the time and when they do succeed that’s still a problem because those are bad policies.
And don’t worry, a lot of that stuff has already been successful in better places so it shoukd go fine.
Ok fine. His platform is interesting and I wish him luck delivering on it.
Shitty policies are usually successful in the sense that they achieve or at least advance their (shitty) goals, fwiw. Are Mamdani’s proposals serious (e.g. does he have financial projections for them), or are they like platitudes like wishing for world peace? Tbh I don’t think the mayor has the authority to do any of that stuff.
We’ll see how it goes.
Cities are often where these things start. To underestimate a mayor’s impact, especially in a city like New York, is not the play. It also sounds like you aren’t even that familiar with his platform since it took me only one simple google to find a couple examples of a costed plan.
The US is plenty happy electing people with zero plan whatsoever, and what they do have is easily disproven nonsense that has never, ever worked. Major cities and economies in the world have done, with success, what Mamdani is proposing.
For the love of god, just be happy that the United Shithole of America is finally taking a step in the right direction. It’s going to be ok, and it pretty much can’t be worse since even trying and failing would be better than purposefully destroying everything for a quick buck.
Well, we’ll see what actually happens. NY has a history of chewing up mayors.
Yea, their really shitty or barely mediocre mayors? This is very different from times before and I think it’s ok to be excited. If it does end up going wrong you need to know that being a massive pessimist just for the sake of the world’s most depressing “win” is not a healthy way to live. Plus, nothing is really pointing to this being a bad thing except your own evident misunderstanding of the situation.
I wish him all the best, and more than anything I hope that the federal government doesn’t sabotage him and I hope that even if they do people will be able to understand that instead of going “wow he failed! No I’m not going to think about it harder than that.”
Yes, he’s the real deal. He has the math worked out, he’s got a cohesive plan, he’s made alliances, he’s got a ton of energy behind him, and he just nails every interview - even hostile ones
Yes, it’s going to be an uphill battle. There’s going to be a ton of institutional resistance… But if he can force policies through anyways, it would so huge for the entire country
Si, se puede.
He has always been offal.
FTFY
It seems that every article from Jacobin is skewed ever so slightly, not enough to make most think there’s something wrong, but it seems to skew anti-progressive by tone and wording, while being assertive in part to some center (or right-leaning by European standards), and aggressive in language towards selective parts of the far-right while mellowing down the tone against conservatives in general.
It’s like eating candy and discovering that the sugar coating is actually aluminium.
They do tend to passively address the American Overton window in their articles. I think it’s pretty easy to navigate as an American because they do it mostly in the same style of our mainstream media.
The overall dynamics of American political language I think can be pretty jarring to both Europeans and any American trying to first learn about socialism.
Within the context of US politics, the center left/Democratic Party is the largest political obstacle for socialists. So antagonism towards the center left seems to be rational within that
aluminium
Nice touch. 🤣
Well, it’s how it’s spelled in pretty much all of the English-speaking world. Barring the USA and Canada.
Edit: my favourite ”whelp” is apparently not what I thought.
As long as we’re talking language…
whelp
noun
the young of a carnivore, as a dog, bear, lion, seal, etc.
a youth, especially an impudent or despised one.
The onomatopoeia is “welp”. Just because autocorrect says something doesn’t make it so.
Thank you.
It was a compliment, citizen. 🙇🏼♂️
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You mean ammonium, jsyk
Thank you.
Gotta coat that shit in something distracting, amirite?
