Shameful
Not just any exports. Includes a nuclear launch capable submarine for one of the 4 countries not party to the non proliferation treaty. Good stuff
What the actual fuck? It seems like no world government is actually carrying out the will of its citizens anymore. I eagerly await a global revolution where we all make it stop.
Yes as long as you vote for a politician no matter what there is zero incensitive to act
WTF are you doing Germany? up to your old tricks i see
They’re trying to master the race to the bottom.
> Gives Israel a billion dollars, because they’re so sorry.
> Still elects Nazis.
Edit: Although, Jesus, people are big mad at them in here. Russia and “Belarus” are still the problem, and Germany is still a valuable member of the EU.
We have a major global oligarch problem.
we do, but how is that related to Israel acquiring arms?
Because the oligarchs want to turn Gaza into a corporate owned city.
Germany sending weapons there tells me that Germany may well be under the same influence the US is.
That does not follow. Israel and Germany have been trading arms since the 1950s.
These are just mutually beneficial trade deals. No malicious intent regarding Gaza required.
Israel has for example some pretty good air defense capabilities, and in the current deteriorated security environment the German government is justified in continuing weapons trade with Israel.
Sure let’s collaborate with a settler colonial power. The settler colonialism is replacing one group with, another basically you are fine with the extermination of palestinians because it is mutually beneficial to Israel and germany
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Fuck.
Welcome to WW3 :)
The US feels like it’s an Axis power, atm.
That’s so sad… 😑
We are part of a genocide… i can’t believe our government approves this…
I can believe it.
German people in power dont do a genocide, challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE.
tho tbf it seema most other governments in eu have this brain bug as well. Bibi really got the boomers in a stranglehold
Would be much cooler if they also sold 2 billion dollars worth of arms exports to their neighborsto keep everyone happy…
Germany is giving israel weapons to exterminate Palestinians
And witholding weapons from Ukraine.
Yes
Palestinians are finally paying the price for 80 years of bad political decisions at every turn that have lead them to this point. The chickens have come home to roost. The bill has come due. Karma is a bitch. Time to pay the piper. Pick your metaphor. Eventually one’s bad decisions catch up with them… true of individuals, true for nations of people as well.
Psychopath. The same can be said for Israel because they’ve lost most of the world’s support, and they’ll be losing the US next.
Nothing justify settler colonialism, nothing justify genocide
after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Ben Gurion
Cant wait for your turn, twat
5D chess
multiple autosomal and uniparental studies find close overlap between Palestinians and regional Jewish groups
Attacking Palestinians with submarines?
Don’t comment if you’re not going to even open the article first
Berlin also approved licenses to export military equipment to Tel Aviv, including small arms, ammunition, explosives, and unmanned aerial vehicles.
I have, and the large increase in value, the whole reason for the article, hence the very large picture at the top, is the submarine deal, which is the relevant new thing.
The naval blockage of Gaza is part of the genocide, so yeah pretty much.
That is also not enforced with submarines.
It is enforced with Israeli naval superiority, of which submarines contribute to.
Submarines was not the only things included in this. Why should you have a settler colonial power doing genocide in any shape or form anyway
Wrong
Germany always manages to be on the wrong side of history
I think Germany has a special relationship with “whiteness” that makes it especially vulnerable to fascism, especially in how Germany is perceived and treated by other groups of white people.
Also though, Germany is a culture bursting with contradictions, within a year of Mein Kempf being published another novel was published The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann by an originally German author who moved to the US.
The Magic Mountain is firmly cemented in German culture… and is indisputably one of the best novels ever written in German or English and is certainly one of the most humanist and openly accepting of humanity in all its “failures” of any great novel of the 20th century. The Magic Mountain is the most supremely antifascist novel imaginable and it is equally allergic to racism and discrimination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann
With the start of the Cold War, he was increasingly frustrated by rising McCarthyism. As a “suspected communist”, he was required to testify to the House Un-American Activities Committee, where he was termed “one of the world’s foremost apologists for Stalin and company”.[19] He was listed by HUAC as being “affiliated with various peace organizations or Communist fronts”.
Being in his own words a non-communist, rather than an anti-communist, Mann openly opposed the allegations: “As an American citizen of German birth, I finally testify that I am painfully familiar with certain political trends. Spiritual intolerance, political inquisitions, and declining legal security, and all this in the name of an alleged ‘state of emergency’. … That is how it started in Germany.”
As Mann joined protests against the jailing of the Hollywood Ten and the firing of schoolteachers suspected of being Communists, he found “the media had been closed to him”.[20] Finally, he was forced to quit his position as Consultant in Germanic Literature at the Library of Congress,[21] and in 1952, he returned to Europe, to live in Kilchberg, near Zürich, Switzerland. Here he initially lived in a rented house and bought his last house there in 1954 (which later his widow and then their son Golo lived in until their deaths).
He never again lived in Germany, though he regularly traveled there. His most important German visit was in 1949, at the 200th birthday of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, attending celebrations in Frankfurt am Main (then West Germany) and Weimar (then East Germany), as a statement that German culture extended beyond the new political borders.[22] He also visited Lübeck, where he saw his parents’ house, which was partially destroyed by the bombing of Lübeck in World War II (and only later rebuilt).
History is a nightmare from which we are trying to awake.
I think Germany has a special relationship with “whiteness”
No that’s the US. Racism in Germany and Europe as a whole, has always been about cultural and ethnic differences more than skin color. The persecuted slavs or jews were just as pasty as any German, unlike the “honorary Aryans” in Japan.
Germany is a culture bursting with contradictions, within a year of Mein Kempf being published another novel was published The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann
Two different authors with different backgrounds writing different books? What a uniquely contradictory culture Germany is.
Disregard that one of them is lauded for its literary and cultural significance while the other is basically as important as the art of the deal.And of course the explanation for contemporary German culture and its problematic relation to Israel can be found in the literature of 1924.
Nothing significant happened since then, right? Everyone was on vacation in the 30s and 40s. Occupation, the Cold War, the literal formation of the country of Israel? Surely none of the could have any relevance.I do agree that the Magic Mountain is a great book.
But although some of its themes do go against aspects of fascism, calling it "the most supremely antifascist novel imaginable " seems a bit of a stretch.No that’s the US. Racism in Germany and Europe as a whole, has always been about cultural and ethnic differences more than skin color. The persecuted slavs or jews were just as pasty as any German, unlike the “honorary Aryans” in Japan.
ahahahaha
Read The Color Purple or Their Eyes Were Watching God, the idea that racism actually cares about skin tone in any consistent way anywhere is impossible, contradictory and absurd, it is always mixed up with ethnicity, context and imposed categories. Germany is just the same as any other racist society in that respect. Check your ignorance.
You added nothing to this conversation other than a sense of condescencion.
The Magic Mountain is one of the most supremely antifascist novels ever written and its perspective from the eve of WW1 mirrors our current position with eerie and foreboding syncronicity. The Magic Mountain is easily one of the most important novels of the 20th century, if not all time.
In 1933, when Hitler came to power, Mann moved his own family to Switzerland, and then, after his German citizenship was revoked, to the USA, where he recorded monthly anti-fascist dispatches which were broadcast to Germany by the BBC.
He is ‘one of the great German writers’, wrote Malcolm Bradbury, ‘the spokesman for a modern humanism’.
https://henryeliot.substack.com/p/the-magic-mountain
Come up with a better argument if you want to cut me down.
History is a nightmare from which we are trying to awake.
This comment is so true.
I stole it from Stephen Dedalus :P
It’s only the wrong side if you lose.
@HieroProtagonist @blackshirt
That has traditionally been the case because the historical account was the exclusive copyright of the “winner”.
Now, however (as we can see e.g. with Israel’s century of terrorism and crimes against humanity), the truth is harder to hide.
#Germany is on the wrong side of history, and that won’t change, whoever “wins”.And do you see any sign of a downfall of those who are on the - in your opinion - “wrong side”?
Sooo…
Israel commits genocide.
So they got support from the experts.
So does germany.
Using today’s definition of “genocide” per UN, even Canada commits genocide, and HAMAS for that matter.
Neither Hamas and Canada are destroying 70% of other people infrastructures and are currently creating a famine by bombing 85% of the agricultural field .
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Why should Palestinians pay for what the roman did to the jews?
The definition show that Israel is committing genocide. Hamas may have genocidal statement but they are not committing one right now .
Just a head’s up, genocide isn’t “70% of infrastructure” and “85% of agricultural fields”, it’s not even murder per definition.
The intent to destroy a population partially or fully fit the definition of genocide. The destruction of agricultural fields cause famine and would force Palestinians to be ethnically cleansed or dying from starvation
You are claiming that all the land belong to israel forever , so you are basically supporting the genocide of Palestinians . East Jerusalem and west bank which Israel is colonizing is Palestinians not Israel.
In his book The Land of Israel in the Past and Present Ben gurion said : the local Palestinian agricultural workers (the Fellahin) were actually the direct descendants of the ancient Jewish and Samaritan farmers who had remained on the land after the Roman expulsions.
Palestinians are basically Israelites that converted to Islam and was Arabized
Can’t make this shit up. Germany needs a better army because Russia is actively attacking it, so what do they do? Sell their shit to Israel.
Germany is guilt trapped in relation to Israel, it’s sad how much they get taken advantage off
A quick reminder that Russia’s attack on Europe is decisively supported by China.
Although Ukraine also buys all their drone components from China.
Really, they’re just sitting back and making a profit.
Look I know China personally about as you do and I can tell you one thing: they don’t want any war. They just want to be the centre of the world again and make every nation economically dependent on them. War doesn’t help them, because they win with economy.
You do know what happens to the economy of countries that go to war, right?
By your own argument, China should be giddy about everyone else going to war.
Not really, you present your argument as a false equivalence. Math equation:
(Blooming economy without loss of life) > (Temporary economic boom caused by war, resulting in loss of life, risk of losing power, post war inflation and needing to rebuild infrastructure to allow for the continuation of blooming economy without loss of life)
but its a proxy war
China want buyers for things that aren’t just weapons. They prefer using the weapons for themselves to threaten other countries in the eastern Asian seas
China’s already won the war against the west.
They don’t care.China can’t even complete their silk road. All they are winning at is price dumping and ramming fishing boats. Meanwhile, their demographics are even worse than the West and irreversibly so.
Temu and others disagree.
I did mention price dumping in my comment.
How do you know?
I wouldn’t give Israel even one helmet, but I don’t think Germany is actually short on submarines.
Also all russia can really threaten Europe and Germany with are ballistic missiles and who was it again who launched a war THEY KNEW would consume much of Europe’s ballistic missile interceptors either directly or indirectly?
Israel
Actually that is one of the best arguments for selling arms to Israel. Germany bought Arrow from them, which is perfect against Russian longer range missiles. Nobody in Europe produces a system with similar capabilities and the only alternatives to that are being sold by the US, Russia and China.
As for Patriot interceptors, those are used by the US and Arab countries. Israel has a system called Davids Sling, which has similar capabilities. They actually sold that to Finland and Greece. Currently Volkswagen is in talks with Israel to produce parts of that in Germany. That would be a useful factory to have in case of a war with Russia.
Also no European country has send missile interceptors to Israel or any country in the region. The most are shooting down some Iranian drones attacking Cyprus, but that is to be expected.
I’m not convinced of the utility of Patriot/David’s Sling in modern warfare. In the early phase of the 2026 Israel/USA-Iran war, Iran was shooting about a dozen missiles per night at Israel, and there’s good indication that a substantial amount got through. Of the (admittedly limited) number of videos that leaked out of Israel, Iranian rockets were often not even met by interceptor fire at all; some videos show how infrastructure get hit during daytime while no sirens are on; and in the cases that there was successful interception the kill rate appears to be less than 1/3.
Without speculating too much, it appears that these systems are not suitable for neutralizing hypersonic missiles. Further, they’re useless against cluster munitions, and using them on attack drones is a waste. Shahed-136 is getting a range extension and a 3x speed boost by the way.
Conclusion: Israeli weaponry is shit. It’s good for fighting asymmetric warfare when you’re the overwhelmingly stronger party. It’s great taking makeshift rockets made by an underground guerilla out of the sky. Against a real country, it’s a flawed doctrine and an impossible technology.
If the USA can’t defend their bases against Iran, then what exactly is the use of these missile interceptors against an enemy like Russia?
So maybe use those billions of Euros at home developing a real strategy.
I see a massive modern war in Ukraine, where Ukraine is fighting for survival. The number one system they want are missile interceptors like Patriot. They spend a lot of money and political capital on getting them. More then on any other system.
a system called Davids Sling
Forever want to be seen as a David vs Goliath.
Goliath was probably 6ft 9in. Israelite culture was derived from Canaanite / Philistine culture, and genetically they’re mostly indistinguishable. The native populations did mostly convert to Greek gods, Roman, then Christianity and Islam.
The Israeli invaders are mainly Hasidic and Ashkenazi Jews who are Caucasian Ukrainian and European in descent.
Russia is surely watching what is happening on both sides of the Atlantic closely. Moscow knows that it is also subject to the laws of physics when it comes to its own munitions depth, but it understands the politics of scarcity. If US intelligence assessments are right that Putin plans to “test NATO resolve” in the coming years, then the replenishment clock matters on both sides—and Russia is trying to recapitalize itself while fighting a full-scale war.
One of the reasons for Ratcliffe’s visit to Moscow, according to the Washington Post, was to dispel the Kremlin’s belief that the Trump White House was distracted from Ukraine by Iran. Good luck with that. The reporting on the severe depletion of US interceptor stocks from the war on Iran is so extensive it can only have encouraged Vladimir Putin to launch even more deadly missile strikes against Ukraine’s defenseless population.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/sep/03/ukraine-iran-wars-trump
Have you read the first article?
Quote by you:
who was it again who launched a war THEY KNEW would consume all of Europe’s ballistic missile interceptors?
From the first article:
Germany has donated about one-third of its Patriot systems to Ukraine,
Oh and also from the article:
Israel is a unique case in the region but faces similar constraints. Its indigenous missile defense capabilities—including Arrow 3, Arrow 2, and David’s Sling—give it options that other US partners in the region do not have.
In other words Israel can build missile interceptors.
And then you even quote the article:
If US intelligence assessments are right that Putin plans to “test NATO resolve” in the coming years, then the replenishment clock matters on both sides
In other words, being able to access more interceptors is a key thing for European NATO members. Israel can make more of those.
Oh and this is from the US, who stopped Patriot missile sales to Ukraine BEFORE the war against Iran for months, because Zelensky did not war a suit. I would not be surprised if US stockpiles do not matter in a war at all, because the US is unwilling to sell them to Europe. That obviously would make Israel an even more important option.
Yes I did read the article and no, none of your points establish that Israel is an ally of Europe or Ukraine, you have only established that Israel has increased political leverage of them.
Oh and this is from the US, who stopped Patriot missile sales to Ukraine BEFORE the war against Iran for months,
The US and Israel planned the Iran War at least months in advance? This proves nothing.
Israel has supplied Ukraine with air defence interceptors last year. That was months after the the US halted all military aid to Ukraine.
A SINGLE PATRIOT SYSTEM does not make up for all the missiles fired in the war of choice that is the Iran War, that Israel and the US chose to start arbitrarily.
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