they have been doing this for a while. at least since dragons dogma online. In monster hunter worlds I used cheats to give myself the cosmetic edit currency item but no idea if that works in any others.
In the grand scheme of nickel-and-diming I wouldn’t call this abysmal
This is the mentality that ruins it for the rest of us. It’s shameful.
Well, that and all the people buying the game full price day one. Even here on Lemmy I’ve seen comments unapologetically saying they bought it minute one, day one.
It’s kind of disgusting to see, tbh.
Disturbing? Yes. Surprising? No, sadly.
You have weeks or months of “this thing doesn’t look good, the beta sucked, it’s just the same as before etc.” Then millions of people buy it anyway.
Yup, they’re different people. The people complaining likely aren’t buying it, and the people buying it are likely ignoring the complaining threads.
I bought it the night before it released so I could download it and have it ready to play. At that point, I had played hours of the betas, had seen interviews with the developers, and had read various reviews that were overall very favorable. And just from playing it one day I’m very happy with my purchase.
I understand people disagreeing with it being a worthwhile purchase but calling it “shameful”, “disgusting”, or “disturbing” is actually really disappointing for me to see. It’s just buying a video game when it releases. You can have a complaint about a product without being so judgemental about people who find it valuable enough to buy even with its faults. Let people enjoy things.
Nothing inside a video game should cost real money.
Only legislation will fix this.
I’m fine with things like expansions costing real money. I’m not fine with things like cosmetics and upgrades costing real money. If they want to sell expansions in the game, I’m cool with that.
I draw the line at mixing in-game currency w/ real currency. In-game currency is a mechanic to manage progression and customizations. Real currency is for buying more content.
Don’t buy these predatory games, refund if you did. Stop supporting these scummy companies, it’s the only way they will learn.
Honestly, out of all of them - IMHO Capcom puts out quality games that you can buy once and then buy a dlc and be able to fully enjoy an amazing game with incredible replayablity. I’m not saying I agree with the pay for cosmetic reroll thing, but if Capcom wants to put in cosmetic 2-3$ trinkets, whatever. It affects the game barely any at all, and in the case of Monster Hunter, there are so many in-game cosmetics and trinkets you can unlock already that look awesome. On the flip side of this you have scum bag companies that lock FUN behind micro transactions, not solely cosmetics. Still, the pay for reroll is fucked and I only hope we can mod in the ability to change it like we had in World.
They did the same shit in the last MH game and people bought into it anyway. They slowly chip away at consumers with this shit. Remember the outrage over horse armour? These companies normalised this mindset of “cosmetics being paid are fine!”. You should buy a game once and be done with it. Expansions I can get behind paid, but that is as far as it should go.
They did the same thing with MH World too, and that’s one of my favorite games of all time. Capcom shouldn’t charge for things like appearance changes, but even so, they create games with huge amounts of value for the price tag. And most of that came from years of free post release added content. A feature-complete game with cosmetic bonuses available as paid dlc is not a problem. Failing to achieve that would be the reason to be concerned over microtransactions. I understand why microtransactions are unpopular, but they can be done well and without them existing, many great games would either not exist or have to be much smaller.
Also, for this specifically, there is a nexus mod that lets you change your appearance for free. There will very likely be a similar workaround with the new game if you have the pc version.
Which teaches us that better network connectivity and convenient distribution platforms are not necessarily good.
When we would dream of them in 2005, we would dream of having that industry and quality and economic processes, but with an option of sky cool connectivity and ability to buy and install a game with a click.
Except there’s no mechanism where more is indefinitely better or less is indefinitely better.
We were never gonna shop our way out of this abuse.
I don’t know about you, but I’ve been pretty successful at it. I don’t buy predatory games, and I do buy non-predatory games. There are tons of non-predatory games, so I have a fantastic selection.
Some people will buy these games regardless, in fact many will. It doesn’t mean you have to.
Systemic problems aren’t about you.
Sure, and I can’t control systemic problems. I can control my individual purchasing choices, and my point is that you can too. And what do we call large scale individual choice that results in systemic change? A systemic solution!
Buy good games and avoid bad games. That’s the most effective thing you can do to combat predatory practices. Maybe it won’t solve the problem for everyone, but it’ll solve the problem for you.
I doubt they would even learn from that.
Oh they would, but instead of being rational, they would just lay off their workforce.
I thought this was for stat distributions at first, which would be annoying, but at least somewhat understandable. But this actually seems to be just cosmetic re-rolling, which is just absurd.
I get it if a developer doesn’t want it to be free to reroll a character’s appearance. But don’t charge them money for it, just make them do a quest or something. God damn.
Why the fuck would that be understandable lmao
Characters should have some level of permanence to them. If there’s no consequence to rerolling stats, then you’re not playing a “character”, as much as you’re equipping a stat loadout. Limiting spec rolls is pretty standard.
You can literally do this without paywalling, wtf man
Limiting them yes, paywalling them though?
I think it makes sense in a multiplayer context, where you want to encourage more “organic” builds instead of people chasing the meta. I don’t think they should paywall them though, just ban it and force people to start over, or have it be limited (i.e. lose a level to be able to move half of the stats over), so you’re punishing with a bit of time instead of a completely restart.
Paying for any form of reroll is stupid though. Either allow it or don’t, and account for it in mechanics so you reward the behavior you’re going for.
Can’t wait for Square to charge money to swap materia from weapons in FF7.
Don’t give them ideas!
So Im stuck with what I chose at the beta test as I wouldn’t want to blow my chance at a free change later?
You can create your character, don’t have to used the one from the beta
Apparently you get a free redo, per the headline
Yes but if I were to play I’d hold on to that free redo forever since it was the only one.
World was like this too. Are RPS not outraged about that, or is it the case that Wilds generates more traffic for them?
Often times, including this time for sure, changes like this are made after the review period specifically so that they’ll fly under the radar from press. But also, they may just be informing their readers who didn’t know the last several times Capcom has done this.
During the betas at least, it was mentioned in at least one of the interview/preview videos that you could adjust your character whenever before release but after release it would cost money. Not sure how accessible the information was but it wasn’t a total secret.
including this time for sure, changes like this are made after the review period
Could you clarify? As far as I can tell it was there when Wilds launched on PC.
The review period is typically pre-launch. In a perfect world, the benefit there is that reviewers aren’t all rushing to get their review done first, and publishers get to have good review scores correspond with the launch of the game, right when interest in buying it is at its peak. But in this case, they can review the game before the release date, praise it, and then Capcom can sneak in a patch on day 1 of its real release that adds in microtransactions like these that might sink the score if they were there for the reviewers.
If theres 1 free redo, you get 2 chances to do character edits. Im not a fan of the “pay to edit” thing but like…if you cant get your character right after 2 tries and you pay to edit again, i dont exactly have sympathy. Playing dressup is supposed to come with the armors, not the character editor.
Wow this is one of the most pathetic comments I have ever seen.
“If you haven’t figured out how to enjoy the game in two attempts, get fucked buddy! That’s your fault for attempting to explore avenues if enjoyment! You need to do it my way, or face the consequences of payment!”
I don’t know how we got to not just complacency in these predatory practices, but outright defending them too.
Pretty soon you’ll be asking the company to directly shit in your mouth rather than present it on a plate.
Yeah that is NOT what im fucking saying. Thank you for putting words in my mouth and attacking me over it
If this feature is unneeded, why is it then available for paying users?
On the other hand, what cost is it to Capcom to let players “redo” whenever they want? Some people just like trying new things.
This is just a cash grab aimed at people who have alternative ways they want to play, with no real benefit to anyone but Capcom. I don’t care what people look like, as long as they don’t throw a hunt for the lols. And if it makes someone else happy to have a weird troll with an underbite one week and a giant Smurf the next, who am I to say that’s the wrong way to play?
Just seems like Capcom further forcing people to fit within their box. First it was the anti-mod rootkit, now it’s limited in-game customizations.
This game already costs $70. People should be able to play the game they paid for however they want. If they want to keep redoing their character, let them.
Yeah I agree, its pointless monetization that only hurts the consumer
Wow, that’s quite the 180.
Its not, I said quite plainly that I dont like what Capcom is doing here. I also said I feel no sympathy for anyone buying it.
I would prefer editing to not be locked behind money. It is a monster hunting game, however. If you paid $70 to play dressup you might have bought the wrong game. Not saying it cant be fun and not bashing peoples enjoyment.
In Cyberpunk 2077 it took me forever to figure out the perfect sized tits to pair with the perfect sized cock on my V so I think we play games differently.
