Subjectiveness of art aside she’s just a garbage person. Troll or not, whatever.
I’m not going to comment on the subjective nature of her shallow art, but the way she treated Julian Lennon was unforgivable.
She began cutting him out when John was still alive, and then fully cut him out of the estate when John died. He wanted some of his father’s letters, but she forced him to buy them at auction. He eventually had to sue her, and eventually got a generous settlement, but he never should have had to go through all that.
You can blame John for not doing enough for his son, but we all know that Yoko was whispering poison in his ear like Wormtongue.
Nah, I’m not going to be one of her apologists. Yoko sucks.
Im a millennial, and all my my homies think Yoko Sucks dog shit.
She is a complete POS. Just look at how she treated her step son.
I learned recently that Yoko Ono was a huge inspiration for the B-52’s. Apparently John Lennon once heard them playing (before they broke out in fame) and immediately recognized her style in their music.
I thought it was an interesting bit of trivia.
I’m kind of just ambivalent toward her. I don’t think she deserves the hate that she gets. Her and John were clearly in love, so who the fuck am I to question that?
Her role in the breakup of the Beatles is absolutely blown out of proportion as well. They were already falling apart by that point, and if it hadn’t been Yoko, it would have been someone/something else.
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All her music is total trash, and this song most of all.
the main reason reason the beatles broke up is they lost their orginal manger epstein (not JE epstein)
I think its really interesting that an avant-garde artist who made pieces about provoking patriarchy is able to elicit intense misogyny decades later from people who are pretty unaware of anything about her other than media stories about John Lennon who was an abusive man.
It’s just more of the typical hippie boomer bullshit lol. They didn’t sell out, they were always buying product.
Yoko Ono is a terrible fucking human being
Her “art” is absolute trash, in the worst sense. As in, she says it is art, but it is objectively garbage.
She treated people around her like shit.
Just read about how she handled the letters between John Lennon and his son.
Fuck that bitch. She rode the coat tails of someone who was an actual artist and the only discussion her “art” has created was whether or not it could be called art.
Seriously, she is trash.
‘Walking on Thin Ice’ is the worst song in existence of music.
All art is subjective, imo. Just because you didn’t like what she was doing musically doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad. Also, I think art that prompts a discussion around whether it’s art or not is very, very important.
That said, I can’t comment on her character, so I’ll have to take your word on it that she was crappy to Lennon’s kid / the people around her.
When you’re interrupting your husband and Chuck Berry singing together by screeching into an adjacent mic impromptu when your only job was to play tambourine, your “art” is objectively bad.
And her reprehensible treatment of Lennon’z son is well documented, you can Google it.
All art is subjective, imo. Just because you didn’t like what she was doing musically doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad
If art is subjective, then that’s exactly what it means. Their subjective experience is that they didn’t like it, so to them it’s bad. And you’re in no position to argue with someone’s opinion on a subjective topic.
Edit: they’re/ their
I agree with you, but so does the person you’re responding to. I think you’re missing the semantic argument they were making that criticized the absolutist language used to describe Yoko’s artistic endeavors. They were highlighting that the term “objectively garbage” was in reference to something inherently subjective.
That said, I can’t comment on her character,
Yoko described herself as a bad mother who twice abandoned her child in search of fame.
Taking a shit in a zip lock bag, or duct taping a banana to a wall is not art.
It’s fucking lazy, pretentious, bullshit.
A literal circle jerk.
Not everything has to be Monet or Robert Frost, but there HAS to be a vehicle of creation, a filter passing through the artist.
Screaming obnoxious sounds and saying it is singing, or placing a random object on a surface is not art or commentery, ESPECIALLY when the discussion is focused on “what is art”.
Art can be proactive, controversial, or just a simple expression. But it has to have a purpose outside of “is it art?”.
Otherwise everyone claiming AI slop is not art, is a hypocrite.
Taking a shit in a zip lock bag, or duct taping a banana to a wall is not art.
The fact that you’re upset about this kind of art means it’s working :)
It’s fucking lazy, pretentious, bullshit.
You don’t know the thought process that lead to it.
Now where did I put those ziplock bags?
If you don’t know much about this person why are you arguing?
Because I think it’s ridiculous to dismiss someone for having “bad art” when I don’t really think that’s a thing. I got no stake in the game, be upset about Yoko Ono if you want, but her art gets people talking and I think that’s worth something.
LMAO, there’s no “bad art”? Ever saw a Hitler painting, Liefield’s pouches, or a conservative movie production?
Saying “there’s no bad art” is like saying there’s no objectively bad tasting stuff. Which there is.
Kirk Cameron would like a word you about his more recent works…
She rode the coat tails of someone who was an actual artist and the only discussion her “art” has created was whether or not it could be called art.
Who was this person? She performed Cut Piece in 1964 and '65 and didn’t even meet John Lennon until '66.
Her exposure and access skyrocketed after she got with John Lennon.
Implying that she somehow made a name solely on her own merits is not even disingenuous l, it’s blatant bullshit.
If it wasn’t part of a pattern of misogyny, it’d be cute how confidently and blatantly wrong you are while being completely uninformed.
Here we go. Any criticism of a woman, no matter how justified, is met with charges of misogyny. Just like any criticism of the Gaza Genocide gets framed as anti-Semitism.
If such a lame defense strategy is all you’ve got, then you’ve lost the argument.
You got this narrative from somewhere other than reality and swallow it whole in complete disregard for evidence. The simplest explanation is you are willing to devour a blatantly false misogynistic narrative that attributes Yoko Ono’s success to a subsequent relationship with a man.
You don’t know me at all, but you claim to know exactly why I feel the way I feel about Yoko, and conclude with no evidence at all that I have grasped for some misogynistic fable. Your entire assumption that I have swallowed some narrative other than the truth is a LIE.
I have never disparaged her art, or her life as an artist, even though I do find her art to be shallow. Equally, my dislike of Yoko Ono has nothing to do with her being a woman. Linda Eastman has often been accused as being just as disruptive and destructive to the Beatles as Yoko, yet I don’t hold her in the same negative regard. My ENTIRE dislike of Yoko Ono stems from ONE thing: her extremely poor treatment of Julian Lennon, both during his John’s life, and especially after.
Her abhorrent treatment of him is nearly legendary. She cut off Julian from any inheritance, even though she is a billionaire, and he eventually had to sue her, and got a decent settlement. When he asked for some of his father’s letters, she forced him to buy them at auction like anyone else. She has been shitty to him for his entire life, referring to him as John’s “mistake” child, while Sean was the official Lennon offspring.
But go ahead and blame it on misogyny, even though nobody thinks the same of Linda, and not the fact that she has been a really awful person for as long as we’ve known her.
Implying that she somehow made a name solely on her own merits is not even disingenuous l, it’s blatant bullshit.
I have never disparaged her art, or her life as an artist
The first isn’t you, but for some reason you feel the need to continue that thread white-knighting for a blatantly false misogynistic narrative of Yoko Ono’s life as an artist. That wasn’t for you, but you inserted yourself into it. Well, if the shoe fits you so well, I guess you’re welcome to wear it.
I wonder what your reasons are to bark misogyny. Lol.
Nobody gives a shit about what she did before she met Lennon.
You lack everything that would be needed to backhandedly insult your misogyny with how what she did before meeting Lennon was why Lennon gave a shit about her.
The fact that you smell misogyny where I just ridicule a shitty human being, it’s why love social media 🥰 Stay vigilant. You’re in that league.
Nobody gives a fuck why Lennon was interested in her. Keep defending this wretched disgusting example of a shitty mother. It suits you.
u mad bro
Kindly fuck off to 4chan :)?
Kindly delete your account
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I would love to get behind the idea she was some kind of genius Andy Kaufman type, but she was just a narcissist who couldn’t stand not being the center of attention.
She was an avant-garde artist and no one was forced to pay attention to her ever but they acted like it
she was just a narcissist who couldn’t stand not being the center of attention.
You could arguably say this about every artist, you’re just jealous that they have more confidence than you
Aehhhh…
You can think someone is a famous narcissist, and not be jealous of their fame or talent or confidence at all.
And, there are also a great number of artists who… eschew fame, have comparitively little public identity or persona.
… you probably just haven’t heard about as many of them though.
Because they don’t really like to ‘do’ marketing, as much as they like to ‘do’ art, so you tend to have to actually go looking for them.
EDIT:
An expansion on the first concept:
To clarify the first point a bit, I’m pretty darned confident about my own abilities, ideas and opinions.
But I don’t care at all to be widely or broadly recognized or praised, I in fact very much prefer the opposite of that, I like my peace and privacy, all I really need is a small amount of validation from a few people, every once in a while.
Most of the time, I can self-validate, while also doing my best to also have a healthy level of self-criticality, sanity checking myself, admitting fault when I’ve been too bull-headed.
… An actual narcissist seemingly cannot do any of that. They need, like, literally need to be constantly reaffirmed, praised, paid attention to, seemingly have their own cult of personality based around them.
They don’t seem to be able to actually be self-confident, in a self-contained way, they instead just pantomime, fake, front, act as if they are supremely confident, but its an act, not the real thing.
Inside, they’re Patrick Bateman, a mask of a charismatic personality wrapped around a tumultuous void of nothing, that almost always eventually collapses in on itself.
So… I’m not jealous of the confidence of a narcissist, because I have the real thing.
I actually pity them and their inability to … auto-self-validate.
I’m also not jealous of their fame, I don’t want that at all, sounds awful.
While I do appreciate the talent some particular narcissist may have at some particular thing… I’m not envious, jealous, made insecure or made to feel lacking in some way, by not having that level of skill.
I just appreciate and respect that someone has that level of skill.
If her art was being as asshole then yes I agree she was great at her art
I don’t like saying anything nice about the woman, but she was pretty much the leading Fluxus artist in the 60s and 70s. As an artist, she’s actually quite talented.
She’s still a fucking bitch though. I met her once, and it was thoroughly unpleasant.
Maybe a niche cut but I’d call Rodney Mullen a legendary artist who is completely devoid of narcissism and want-of attention. It’s not some requirement to act like Kanye to be a good artist.
That is an entirely out of left field, yet also incredibly apt example, I think.
Mullen is a damned legend, but is also incredibly humble, especially when compared to a lot of other skateboarders.
Proof?
Did you just ask for proof of an opinion?
Why not?
Because opinions are not facts and thus cannot be proven ?
… I’m gonna need over 80 proof to handle this question; does that answer work for you?
No.
You’re joking, right?
No.
I don’t know if she was a troll or a narcissist or whatever everyone else claims. But she did seem to be a little nuts, or at least tone deaf. You can see in that performance with John and Chuck Berry where she just starts sort of screeching in the background on mic for no reason she was at least a little unhinged.
You can call it avant garde, you can say she was annoying, etc. Etc. but she did seem to just shove herself into Johns limelight a lot. There are plenty of other spouses that are just happy to be with their partner, and go with them, but she clearly was intent on shoving herself into the spotlight with him, through whatever means she felt was accessible.
Exactly, she got Lennon to record ‘Walking on Thin Ice’ with her, and that’s obvious absolute garbage. Worst of all, it was the final song he recorded on the night he’s been shot, he died with the cassette of this ugly trash in his hand.
but she clearly was intent on shoving herself into the spotlight with him, through whatever means she felt was accessible
Well, I mean yeah, she cowrote and performed with him frequently, they were musical partners as well.
If you think the one Chuck Berry video that’s been memed to death is the extent of her creative contributions, you’re simply ignorant.
she ruined a great time for John & Chuck. They were both clearly into each other’s music, both Chuck and John’s just dripping with enthusiasm and excitement, and then she’s gotta start fucking keening like a banshee on meth.
it may not be the extent of her creativity but it’s a sure sign of someone who’s out there to ruin it for other people.
it’s a sure sign of someone who’s out there to ruin it for other people.
It’s not, you’re assigning motive based on how it makes you feel. She’s made experimental/avant garde music before without trying to “ruin” someone else’s fun, so the explanation with the least assumptions is that she simply felt like adding that to the mix.
Why is the narrative with Yoko Ono always that she’s trying to “ruin” something?
Why is the narrative with Yoko Ono always that she’s trying to “ruin” something?
well, it could be because everything she touched got demonstrably worse when she contributed. Huh…?
lemme ask you, as a Yoko Fan: Do you appreciate that performance of Memphis, TN as music, or is it like, watch, she’ll have a tantrum and it will make it SO MUCH BETTER?
Artistically you’re going to say she added something GOOD to the performance?
Pfft
well, it could be because everything she touched got demonstrably worse when she contributed. Huh…?
Not really? Sorry you don’t like Lennon’s post-Beatles career, but he would take great umbrage to you saying she “ruined” him.
as a Yoko Fan
I’m actually not, just because I’m not a Yoko Hater doesn’t mean I like her.
Artistically you’re going to say she added something GOOD to the performance?
Not at all, it’s rare for me to enjoy experimental music, I can just compartmentalize Yoko the artist and not try and pathologize her as banshee that seeks to ruin everything she touches because she makes noises I don’t like.
you saying she “ruined” him.
I didn’t say that. I said the things she touched got demonstrably worse.
Not at all, it’s rare for me to enjoy experimental music,
whatever chode, you’re entitled to your delusions
I make Yoko Ono-quality art every single day of my life.
I just usually flush it, and haven’t bothered trying to show other people since I was about 6.
Yeah, this song is a shining example of how nonsensical and ugly her ‘music’ is.
If you weren’t going to post it, I would have.
Just because something sucked, doesn’t mean it was a troll. Because while you may not know this-
She wasn’t trolling.
And that’s why people fucking hate her.
ok boomer
How’s that working out for ya?
I hope you upvoted my unpopular opinion
I didn’t. Not because it’s or unpopular, but because it’s fucking stupid.
😂 I keep seeing your bizarre comments… Are you okay? Did something happen over the holidays?
What holidays? I am not Christian
That literally has nothing to do with enjoying the end of year holidays. They may originate from Christian stuff, but a majority of the popular stuff is not christian at all.
If you don’t celebrate though then maybe have a happy Ramadan and Eid al-fitr when it comes around in a few months? Just guessing from the Arabic name.
I have no particular opinion on Yoko Ono, but the comments here are quite funny. 🍿
They’re still mad about it 50 years later.
Cute how you think she’s relevant enough. I’m curious why you’re so upset about a handful of people hating a shit human being.
It is a shitposting community for unpopular opinions.
If you like some asshole entirely because other people find that asshole assholey, what does that make you?
Someone with an unpopular opinion
Same reason I love Jane Fonda
Fonda had shooters
The moment Chuck Berry’s tinnitus kicking in…
The only thing she’s done that put a smile on my face. I laugh every time I see Chuck’s look of surprise and annoyance:
Thank you, I was gonna post this, but got too tired and fell asleep.
Anyway… yeah, you can see Chuck just get fucking furious for a moment… poor Chuck…
As he might say: “Good golly miss Molly.”
(Yes I know he didn’t write that song, but he did cover it.)
