Relatable, I have a strong sense of justice combined with experiencing the worst aspects of capitalism, religious fundementalism, and reactionary people. This has led me to the only natural conclusion, that society as it exists today under liberal capitalism is fundamentally broken beyond repair and therefore the system must be replaced. Not with another liberal who seems to slowly move the system forward (that’s all they move, the system yet no real progress occurs) but with real change. This change can only occur through the establishment of an absolute socialist economy and the total abolition of private property.
I was working at a music store (that offered lessons) behind the counter. Student came in with a check to pay for lessons, because mom couldn’t remember if they paid. I checked the history and they were paid up. Boss got angry with me for not just taking the check and I got chewed out. Real easy to walk out the door after that.
Yeah. I got fired once from a sales job because of it. I could not make myself push shit on people that they didn’t need.
One of my first jobs was at a retail hardware store. We were just a small variation of the main store, but we ended up being number 3 in sales nationwide.
The location had a lot to do with our success, but looking back, I believe that it is due to the first store manager being ADHD and hiring a bunch of ADHD people. Those of us who stuck around for any amount of time became very knowledgeable in our departments, way more than the non-adhd employees. This was before most people had Internet and you couldn’t just go check out YouTube to find out how to do something. So, if you showed one of us unmedicated and largely undiagnosed ADHD employees something new, we would dive into that subject. I had a lot of long talks with professionals and knowledgeable people because I would see them with something I was curious about and would unashamedly ask them about it, and their experience with it. Before long I wasn’t really an expert, but I could tell others what the pros did and why. And with my untreated ADHD, all you needed to do was ask and I would give full knowledge dump on the spot.
I also had no problem with telling people not to buy something because it was crap, or even telling them that they could get a better deal or better product elsewhere. I even made a lot of sales to people who were dismissive or talked shit about our products by being brutally honest about our stuff. Yup, compared to the place down the street that catered to professionals, our products were crap. But for someone using our stuff every couple of weeks or even monthly, they did an acceptable job. And for the price you could buy 2 or 3 of ours compared to the professional version. Which was a big deal once you realized that abuse and lack of maintenance was how most home owners killed things rather than wearing them out. So, you could buy one of the pro ones and it would last 20 years if you took care of it, but the first time you were lazy or forgot to maintain it, you were in for a lot of money or effort to get it back to working order, where with us, the parts were cheap, they were a lot more forgiving to abuse, and they were not right designed to last more than about 5 years tops. It was funny how often I had serious enthusiasts and pros stop me months after I originally talked to them to let me know how happy they were with the “shitty” version they bought from us. Now they can keep their pro version for pro use only and they no longer have to worry about their wife, or kid, or brother in law, or ect, trashing their pro version. Not to mention you could abuse and neglect the shit out of it and it didn’t really matter it would keep going. Not for long, and not as good as their “good” one… but long enough and not nearly as bad as they expected.
At the same time there were a lot of people who stopped me to thank me for talking them out of buying our products, or at least buy a cheaper version. Sometimes I would be half way into selling someone something and they would say something that made me realize that they intended to use this professionally, or on a task that was of professional level, and I would put the brakes on let them know that this was a bad idea and would end in regret. If their budget forced them to buy low end anyway, to hold them over, I would go over the weak points and get them something that had less features, but also had less failure points and cost less because they were going to need to buy a new one a lot sooner than they thought. Sometimes the store manager would come over and be like “I can’t believe you sold that piece of shit! I thought it would be on the shelf forever!”, and I would tell him to not be too enthusiastic, because that guy would likely be in every couple of months to replace it under warranty until the warranty ran out. Generally, warranty claims kind of hurt, but it also boosted other numbers that counted positively towards his yearly bonus and he knew that if the guy was coming in to exchange it he would be buying the consumables from us (one of the things that got a product labeled as shit by us was proprietary consumables). So the store manager was happy that the consumables would more than offset the losses from having to warranty the item, and the customer would be happy because he got something that would get him through for at least a year, and he could plan around the known failures. It was always enjoyable to tell people how to take advantage of the warranty. It was always funny to see the look in someones eyes as they realized that you were telling them to buy the much cheaper and shittier version because none else ever bought it and they could be sure that any one of our locations that they stopped at would have one on the shelf. And if they made sure to grab at least 4 packs of the consumables when they were doing the exchange, they would get happy and snappy service, even from even the store manager themselves. The company would incentivise the managers to sell certain products that didn’t sell on their own. And some things that were turning into a boondoggle for the company would see stacked incentives. So any manager who saw you that you had just warrantied this thing last month and again the month before that(so that meant you were likely using it professionally which was against the terms of the warranty, but if you were also buying 4 boxes of consumables every week or 2…) well you know what, he didn’t actually have any proof that you were using it professionally so it’s not his problem, have an excellent day and please come back.I was asked to leave with severance to be quiet, but I luckily already had another gig lined up, and they got shut down from being shitty anyway. All the employees that didn’t care made a shitty web company who’s tik tok you can’t comment on lol.
All I’m hearing is the average person is shittier than I am. We are fucked.
I know im a shitty person that doesnt deserve to live, thats why I have to tey extra hard to pretend not to be a shitty person. All those charities, all those old ladies I helped at the shop, all the people whos birthdays I remembered pre-facebook, they never suspected a thing.
I’m very shitty, and I hate myself to the point where I want to obliterate my personality with a specific program that I set up (and have issues setting into motion). But yeah, I do feel far superior to the average person, because I don’t think having a condition, being a different skin color, nation, or orientation should get you put in a fucking labor camp, and I actively care about the fate of humanity. I can’t just be chill with some person dying next to me, it is NOT fine!
My post was just a joke. Don’t let self loathing and a superiority complex be your path to happiness. It won’t work and you are better than that
As Kratos said, we must be better men.
my mother once told me my since of justice was my biggest flaw. 15 years later and I get what she meant but what a thing to tell a 10 year old lol
Probably better to describe it as “fairness”. Maybe even “stubbornness” The problem with justice/fairness is that it is ultimately subjective. And a 10-year-old’s view of fairness is often divorced from principles of personal safety or propriety.
You’ll see this problem with adult libertarians all the time. Everything from seat belts to sales taxes to dress codes intrude on their sense of fairness, largely because they’ve ingested enormous volumes of propaganda. The real joke of it is when the term “social justice” impugnes your sense of personal justice. Same with the social conservatives who get up in arms over “illegal” immigration and desegregation, environmental regulations and speed limits, prohibitions on state sanctioned religious education, and age limits on who you can marry.
A sense of justice is a very plastic (especially at a young age) and perspective oriented. Wars have been fought and rivers of blood spilled over a population’s conviction of their own righteousness.
Going on the warpath at the drop of a hat pretty much describes my entire immediate family and majority of my friends. The stress is going to end me early, I fucking know it.
Yep. Rules are rules. Rules are important for social living together.
BMW drivers not signaling should get their car taken away.
BMWdrivers not signaling should get their car taken away.BMW drivers
not signalingshould get their car taken away.I don’t suspect they only hate BMW drivers. It’s a common joke that BMW driver are generally unaware of turn signals, as a function of their cars.
And here I’m trying to find usable turn signals for my bicycle, so that I don’t have to always get a hand of the handle when I turn.
I don’t hate BMW drivers. I am incapable of understanding why one person can not obey trivial rules that benefit all.
The BMW driver was just a cliche and symbol I used to transport this.
To be clear, I understand how it is and that depending on a multitude of factors (location, time, etc) the rules change. But someone knowing the rules and not having a detriment by complying and still not adhering to them is malicious and should be punished or otherwise facing consequences.
I had/have this bad. I was only diagnosed recently, and looking back i can see clearly when i was being nutty. I have used this to help others i see with a similar reaction 😅. It’s all i can do to help
Welcome to the club!
Not been diagnosed but absolutely lost my shit recently when friends mugged me off playing tennis, I don’t even care about the result.
I need to go get help
I’m autistic because I want people to follow the written rules of society?
Don’t fucking run red lights and do stop for pedestrians is pretty much all I ask, but that’s too much in the small city I live in for at least a few people every day.
It isn’t “follow the rules”, it is “do the right thing”
Big difference
Pretty much.
I worked in tech and there’s a lot of morally gray things.
For example: the law is pretty clear on what a company should and shouldn’t store as data. Yet every year, tech companies violate it. A few even get lawsuits because of how bad they did it. Thousands don’t.
The engineers (many who only want to do the right thing) see it pretty clearly. Don’t leak shit. Don’t give out personal info. Secure that shit. Extremely clear guidelines.
But, from our higher ups, we are constantly told “ah that doesn’t apply to us” and follow whatever the marketing/analytics/data team wants.
Been this way for decades.
Unironocally yes.
The point is the average person doesn’t give a shit. That’s the baseline. It’s why without enforcement, no one follows rules detrimental to themselves. It’s why going 50 in a 50 is considered ridiculous.
The fact that it even pisses you off enough to write that out is evidence enough lol. Maybe. Not the one thing by itself…
Source: Late diagnosed adhd, probably autistic, said the same kind of things as you before I realized I’m just… not typical
The point is the average person doesn’t give a shit.
Average people give an average shit. They tend to see what comes close to goring their own ox and ignore what’s out of view.
It’s why going 50 in a 50 is considered ridiculous.
When you’re on an empty road, it feels ridiculous to go 50 in a 50 because nobody is in your way.
When it’s bumper to bumper traffic, it feels ridiculous to go 50 in a 50 because you’d immediately collide with the car in front of you.
When everyone else is going 50, it feels sensible to keep up with the herd, even when a sign indicates a different speed is more appropriate.
Ignoring the circumstances in favor of the written rule isn’t virtuous on its face. Sometimes the rules are wrong and you need to use your own judgement. Sometimes the rules are there for reasons that go deeper than their most literal interpretation.
Ah yes. Another episode of the ‘neurodivergent people are actually normal and it’s neurotypical people who are weird’ series.
Nah. Perceived injustice can motivate a variety of feelings and behaviors. Not all of them helpful. Not all of them good (B. Pine, C. White, M. Eisenhardt, et al).
I mean, it could be argued that neurotypicals are simply the most cohesive minority. They only account for ~40% of people, because ~60% have some sort of mental disorder. The only reason neurotypicals are the default are because they’re the largest cohesive and exclusive group. If it were a Venn diagram, 60% would be a bunch of smaller (often overlapping) circles, while the remaining 40% would be off to the side in its own circle.
So if you’re going to make assumptions about someone you just met, (and we all make assumptions. That’s how socializing works), it makes sense to assume that the person is probably in the largest group that doesn’t overlap with any of the other groups. So “neurotypical” is used as the default until we know more about the person. Not because they’re the majority, but simply because the 40% group is the easiest, most straightforward, least messy assumption to make.
We need to burn this evil system to the ground
It’s built by and for psychopaths instead.
Maybe this is part of it. ASD/ADHD people being corrected so many times about doing things “wrong” that they have been “trained” to point out or note things that are incorrect. And also, maybe a reason why we get so incredibly frustrated when NT let things slide for other NT people that we feel we’d get in trouble for. We don’t fit the vibe that NT in-group runs on.
This blows my mind. Makes so much sense! edit: forgot to thank you for posting this :). Thanks!
It’s really interesting reading the replies. A lot seem to be talking about “justice and fairness” like it means “following all rules always” but personally, I don’t give a fuck about the rules. I want you to be kind.
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I SAID BE KIND TO EACH OTHER, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
I am definitely not a rule follower by default in the sense that I identify that many rules are just a framework for compelling obedience and preserving power hierarchies. But then shit like speeding and running red lights or driving recklessly makes me furious, because these rules are not tools for subjugation or oppression in any way, they are protocols for safe coexistence which sometimes create extremely fucking minor inconveniences.
I honestly believe people who drive aggressively are just impotently asserting agency in a world they feel beat down by, because they have literally nothing going on. It’s one of the most pathetic behaviors commonly present in the modern world.
Viscerally.
Well, kinda a combination of all of it, but when people are being greedy, selfish, ass holes instead of kind and fair and just trying to make the world or community a better place for everyone in it rather than just themselves or those they know there is an unyielding rage that begins to stir wants to MAKE them be fair and kind.
“So, what’s wrong with me, doc?”
“Well it seems you have strong empathy and a sense of justice, which simply doesn’t mesh well with the reality we have created.”
“…What’s the cure?”
“Money and power.”
“Fuck.”
I prefer the alternative medicine, anarchy.
Yes my friend. “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” ― Albert Camus
“Hi, I’m here to pick up my prescribed money bag.”
Yea … Im gonna argue that a great deal of the population (in the US) just lacks morals.
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I use the word righteous. And I don’t think it is that we are more righteous. I think we just have trouble getting over it. Which is a general aspect of many other things that cause issues for us.
I’d also posit my unqualified opinion1 too: I think it’s the idea that the rules are inconsistent. You try to follow a system that everyone says is “blind” and impartial, only to see it just got Lasik and is very, very partial to particular people. The dissonance between experiencing injustice and insistent claims that the civilized world is fair.
If all cultures codified that “money buys clemency”, there’d be a lot fewer outbursts about how unfair things are.
1 I’m probably not autistic, just have a lot of autistic friends.
