https://chat.mistral.ai/chat if you want to check is it true
The phrase “is it true that jews control Israel”, has two interpretations:
- judaism as a whole, controls Israel
- there are some people who happen to be Jewish who control Israel
The latter is very obviously true (Netanyahu is one of them[1]), which means that the word “secretly” narrows the interpretation down to the first one.
And the first interpretation is antisemitic. It plays right into the zionist propaganda that israel is for the jews and, more importantly, by the jews. Just because jews worldwide are the beneficiaries of the israeli jewish supremacist ideology, doesn’t mean they’re the perpetrators of it. Israel is a western colonial project aimed at establishing an international ghetto for the jews. It is not “secretly controlled by jews”. Death to Israel.
[1] I’m not pulling a Bernie Sanders here. Israel has no right to exist. You won’t catch me saying “Stop it Israel, this isn’t you” type shit, blaming the genocide on Netanyahu only. Israel needs to end if we care about the right to self determination (which is a real right) of the people between the river and the sea, in particular Palestinians.
There’s actually a pretty good jewish-law thing argument for Israelis not being Jews.
Source: an ex girlfriend whose dad was almost a rabbi but liked heroin too much, while very very very stoned.
According to its constitution, Israel is specifically for the jews.
Yep. Like I said, just because the jews are the beneficiaries of (this means the people who benefit from something) Israel’s jewish supremacist ideology, doesn’t mean they are the perpetrators of it (this means the people who are to blame for something).
I mean that’s kinda like arguing white people weren’t responsible for apartheid in South-Africa, “just because they were the beneficiaries”.
It wasn’t exactly black people drawing up those segregation laws, was it?
I mean that’s kinda like arguing white people weren’t responsible for apartheid in South-Africa
Yes. Because that’s the correct take. Folks in Novosibirsk were not to blame for apartheid in South Africa. Most white south afrikaners were, and probably some of the natives played a role as well. The Dutch and the English were to blame to a large extent. But whites as an ethnic group, as a whole? That’s just silly.
I didn’t say it was all white people everywhere, but it definitely wasn’t the black people doing apartheid either.
But that’s the whole point of my comment. The part “secretly” in the phrase “jews secretly control Israel” means the only reasonable interpretation of the phrase is the antisemitic one.
But the people who control Israel are jews?
I won’t argue there’s a bit of an antisemitic vibe to the way they put it, as “secretly”. But that secretly then also implies that most of Israelis don’t have control over what’s happening in their country. And most of them are Jewish as well so. Yeah. The implications are all over the place.
Israel is a specifically Jewish state with laws (rape specifically) that protect jews only. Citizenship freely available to all jews globally. Apartheid is, and always has been, structural. It’s a similar proposition to say Americans control America, based on American citizens having privleges. But that statement is also anti-semitic, because it denies Israel’s control.
Very true, very correct. But like I said, don’t mistake beneficiaries for perpetrators. Norman Finkelstein, despite being jewish, is certainly not to blame for Israel. Medea Benjamin, despite being jewish, is not to blame for Israel’s actions. Any random jewish kid born today outside of Israel, despite being jewish is not to blame for Israel.
Well, to be fair, there is no secret about it
Well, to be fair, Israel isn’t really all that controlled by Jews… Zionism is just a fascist assortment of interests more than it has anything to do with the Jewish people or Judaism. Though they certainly like to try and make people think that…
Israel explicitly controls access to citizenship with the publicly stated goal of keeping the control of the country based on ethnicity.
Yes, it’s an ethnostate. And though it may surprise some, they rarely have much to do with the ethnicity in question. Plenty is Israelis hate (non-Zionist) Jews (because they’re not “the right kind” of Jew; they’re “the weak Jew”)
There’s a meaningful difference between “controlled by people who are Jewish” and “controlled by Jews”
Zionists really love to blur the line between these
Maybe I’m stupid. But what’s the difference?
Aren’t people, who are Jewish called Jews?
In a strict semantic sense, sure.
Think of the phrase “America is controlled by white people”
Does that put an image in your head of “the people who control America happen to be white” or “white people, in aggregate run America for the collective benefit of white people”?
People will use the phrase in both ways, but these are very different ideas.
Alright, thanks for elaborating.
I get your meaning.
Yeah I would probably say what OP meant was a distance between having a theory something is controlled by Jews vs controlled by The Jews.
But honestly fell like even pointing out the first one of borderline anti Semitic, like when is that relevant except for anti Semitism?
I suspect Catholics run the Vatican as well… Secretly.
Do you know, I’ve not seen one Muslim at mass.
Me when the fancy autocomplete acts like a fancy autocomplete:
The AI is obviously just picking up on the “Jews secretly control X” pattern and not actually understanding the question, but it’s also a pretty silly question in the first place.
I guess it’s helpful for pointing out that “AI” isn’t very good at calling out a false premise.
AI doesn’t actually understand anything. Nothing at all.
Louder for those in the back!
Them data centers are loud enough for all of us 😆
LOUDER FOR THOSE IN MY ASS
ECHO…Echo…echo
Stupid disgusting AI.
No, but the *token “phrases” would be similar and reinforced by the model, so understanding isnt pertinent in this case
An LLM can only call out a premise if the average response to an input in its model calls out the input.
It answers the same even without the “secret”
This seems to be the exact opposite of the response in the OP
Um, rich people control Israel.
As revealed in the Behind the Bastards two-parter on How The Liberal Media Helped Fascism Win ( Part one, Part Two on YouTube), rich Jews are aligned with the ownership class first and with their fellow working-class Jews second.
The current aggressive expansionism featuring genocide in Palestine (and beyond) is not popular among Jewish peoples, even the general Israeli population. But it is popular among the elites that control Israel… And curiously, the billionaires that control the United States.
While I mostly agree, it would be a lie to say that the working class people in Israel would be opposed to the violence used in Palestine. (https://www.dw.com/en/how-do-israelis-see-gaza-war-and-palestinian-suffering/a-73600368 )
For an IDI survey conducted at the end of July, researchers asked, “to what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza?”
Over three-quarters of Jewish Israelis — 79% — were not that troubled or not troubled at all. Jewish Israelis also said they believe the Israeli military is doing enough to avoid unnecessary suffering.
Over half said it was important to free the remaining hostages.Only 6% argued the war should end because “of the great cost in human life” and a desire for peace.
Unfortunately, the population in Israel seems to have mostly bought into the propaganda and the racism / Jewish surpremacy and there is probably no going back from it, if you don’t do something like the denazification project in Germany. The opposition to the war in Israel comes mainly from a desire to free the Israeli hostages, not a critique of the warcrimes / genocide.
You have to understand, that this genocide didn’t start with October 7th, it started about 100 years ago, when the settler colonial project in Palestine first began. If the Israelis were opposed to the violence, they probably wouldn’t have moved to Israel or stayed there in the first place.
The working class doesn’t profit from this genocide, but they can unfortunately be pretty easily won over by bigotry.
That is incredibly disappointing.
But are the rich people Jewish? I wouldn’t want to promote a harmful stereotype.
Even if they were, their religion has no causation to them being bad people.
It does give them justification, which honestly might actually be worst. Because if they can justify their decisions to be horrible people, even if only to themselves, there’s nothing they won’t do. Getting around cognitive dissonance is the real trick, and religion is a really effective excuse in that regard. People have been using it for thousands of years for that exact purpose.
People using religion to justify murder is horrible and an easy way to welcome a lot of slander to their religious community. Though if the religion states that they need to murder, then that feels more like a cult than a religion. Though there’s probably a better term idk what it would be.
BTB? Oh wow, it’s pretty impressive that you managed to snag some knowledge from this marathon of intrusive ads with an occasional pinch of content.
Claude managed to see the irony and compared the statement with “Chrisians secretly controlling Vatican”.
Do they tho? I know a bunch of Christians who don’t
Christians control the Vatican, not all Christians
People have walked on the moon.
I haven’t
I would say this statement is false but just because its not really a secret
So, if you re-phrase the question, it is answered accurately. I am not a fan of LLMs, but this whole threads premise is stupid. It only serves to show that LLMs can pick up on patterns, regardless of whether they’re applicable.
I mean they dont, jews and zionists are different.
But they do, as a great deal of Zionists are Jews; all Jews are not Zionists but most Zionists are Jews.
Search “zionist settlers” and “greater israel”, it’s not a secret.
So, by your own admission, they don’t secretly do it?
There are more Christian Zionists in the United States alone than there are total Jews on the planet.
Most Jewish people are Zionist to some degree (though the number has been plummeting since Israel’s last major escalation in its genocide), but most Zionists are not Jewish.
I think someone is secretly manipulating you, but it’s not the Jews or the “Zionists.”
That’s somehow worse
i didnt show the full response + This is a 2B model btw. (running on the phone itself)
The question is complex, alone the “Jews” part is difficult. The Jewish majority in Israel has control, yes. But if you read it as collectively all Jews on the planet, they don’t control it
can someone explain to me the point this post is trying to make?
Llm dumb, recognise pattern but not semantics
That’s antisemantic
ehehehe that’s a good one
thanks
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It’s anti-semitic hate mongering guising itself as progressivism since it’s pretending to criticize Israel but instead of saying anything about state authoritarianism it’s actually just hate speech against jewish people.
It’s nazis coopting progressivism, just like always.
Not sure if you mean the OP, the AI response or both…
I meant earnestly asking that question to anyone/thing in the first place.
When you’ve become accustomed to using rhetoric that makes you indistinguishable from an antisemite, you have a couple of ways to go.
- Do some introspection and ask yourself “am I going down a bad path?”
- Do zero introspection and conclude “This is more evidence that the Jews really do control the world!”
No… It’s that Jews openly control Israel. Because their government has a lot of elected officials who are Jews.
That’s the joke. Then they AI only sees the conspiracy terminology.
I KNOW WHAT YOU DID!
I wish to become antisemite after all they have done in Palestine, but it’s a bit hard when you leave near Aushwitz and everyone around you prefers hating on germans.
Am I dumb or is this comment some absolute gibberish?
I see you chose to go down the second route that he described
Zionists do not control the world! The only control USA and a small piece of land in the middle east.
You understand that saying “Jews control Israel” isn’t antisemitic right… Bibi himself constantly repeats that Israel is a Jewish state, the Jewish homeland etc…
It’s in no way implying the Jews control any other part of the world.
I understand the statement “Jews secretly control X” fits the pattern of how antisemites talk. I see many people on this site fitting that same pattern.
If it walk like a duck, and talks like a duck…
I also note there’s a broad movement to discredit any claim of antisemitism before it even happens. What’s the goal of this?
My man doesn’t understand the concept of satire and parody
If you take something anti-Semites would say and you take it to a point of absurdity that’s MAKING FUN OF ANTI-SEMITES not being one. Jeez you Zionists sure are sensitive bunch for a group of people who support war crimes, killing babies, and raping prisoners.
There’s a saying in Jamaica: If you throw a stone at a group of pigs, the one that squeals is the one you hit.
I mention antisemitism and now you’re doing a whole lot of squealing about it.
chat is this true (i am literally asking chat.mistral.ai)
What would a cat know?
chat, j’ai pate
X secretly control Y is a anti-X conspiracy at all times. You suggest the existence of a shadow cabal.
Exactly, and we all know that the Bilderberg meeting is completely illuminated and out in the open
I mean… it’s not even a little bit a secret
