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Like the Police, a few “bad apples” will show themselves but, this is people protesting that schools and education in France are underfunded, dilapidated and children do not have materials to learn while they are in cold, drafty classrooms with leaking roofs. I see an increase in funding for schools and education in France’s very near future. There is a a good reason why the retirement age in France was not raised even after the government announced that the age of retirement / pension entitlement would be raised. Anyone calling this rioting is a class traitor or a shill.
look at the amazing no kings protests in the US where people danced and sang their way into a dictatorship.
Threaten capital.
Occupy Wall Street enters chat.
i say we need to start thinking bigger. transport. electricity. water. hit the system where it hurts
And then finally do nothing. these people are doing you are thinking.
Are you in the US? You can get from any point of France to the capital relatively quick through driving or transit. People in the US do stuff but it’s tough to have numbers in the streets like this when we are so spread out and the police will shoot you on the way.
these guys are also taking a beating in Paris. I’m just saying that there is a massive gap between the American perception of themselves and the reality.
hit ordinary people where it hurts?
Not saying we should limit those essentials, but you do mention a phenomena that we should be aware of, and that’s that any damage to economics at any level tends to have a ripple effect, whereby normal people wind up feeling the pain in some form. Could be as mundane as layoffs from “cost cutting,” in response to the need for more security, or loss of assets, or anything really.
The big problem France has, is that they are broke and since apparently no country in the world is willing to tax major coorperations and barely tax billionaires it will be very difficult to keep low retirement ages or bring all the schools in France up to reasonable standards.
French education been underfunded since like Chirac. it’s kinda impressive how it came to this.
Most protests was people walking, being happy, singing and talking. What everyone is talking i that 10% shit happening.
Please, be aware that most of the time people are peaceful. That what everyone have to stick in their brain.
Anyone who remembers the George Floyd protests remembers that being the case then, too.
The NYPD funneled the peaceful protesters into one intersection and then attacked.
And French police is doing the same. They even have an official name for barricading. They trap a group of peaceful protestors into an alley, then send a provocateur dressed as a civilian to start violence. They use the violence as an excuse to detain and injure everyone trapped inside the barricade. When the battle breaks out, they use that to further repress the peaceful protestors.
It’s a worldwide established practice by all police forces.
That’s daytime protests
God I hate how much news is just not shown here in the U.S… This and the recent No King protests are really only found in alternative places. I keep trying to explaining that marching isn’t enough, that it doesn’t generate enough fear/anxiety to make them want to change.
That previous “peaceful” protests like MLK’s had targeted strategies that disrupted life on purpose. And still had Malcolm X and the Black Panthers as the muscle of the movement.
We’re just not doing enough, and allies that are willing are just too far apart distance wise to properly coordinate without getting caught. And random acts of violence can be useful, but only if they are actually shocking enough and have follow up. Luigi enacted a small amount of change for a short amount of time. Companies were denying less for a solid year afterwards. The problem is that there wasn’t enough follow up. The violence wasn’t coordinated enough, or organized with a wider group so they could continue to lay on the fear.
We’re just too passive, too domesticated, and lack the will to properly organize. The only good news is Trump is making these points more salient as time goes on. Especially with his talk of interference, and using the national guard for voter intimidation. I believe the mid terms will be a breakpoint for many depending on how they go. Or I hope it will anyway, as nothing else has been enough so far.
my gut says people are avoiding giving trump the excuse of shutting down elections before midterms
after midterms my theory is things are gunna get ugly and all the people who want a show are gunna get one
I have to agree. The people I’ve organized with are also waiting to see how mid terms shake out.
Same. Go out and vote and get ready for violence from the fascist dipshits.
Organized what? baking cookies and waltzing around downtown?
Guys, the blue pedo fascists might win, let’s not even do that walking downtown with gumption thing until after we know for a fact who our kings are. If it’s the guys we like, we can forget about the fact that we are getting raked over the coals by billionaires. Our walking cookiethons won’t be needed.
Dude you are so wrong. The point of the no kings protest is to organize people and encourage them to vote early for the election. It isn’t supposed to be a disruptive protest.
Maybe try getting off your ass and actually doing something instead of agitating for violence on lemmy like a terminally online weirdo.
One of is certainly terminally online, but it’s not me. Take your projection and fuck off. I’ve already lost family members to the Concentration Camps, so kindly take your privilege elsewhere and try being useful for once.
I wish No Kings protests in the US looked a little more like this. That’s fucking awesome.
If this was an american no kings protest, those cop cars would have been swerving to hit the protesters.
The cops would later say that the protesters stepped in front of their car, and would get no punishment.
Don’t worry, French cops did it at least one time during the high schoolers protests we had the last few days/weeks. We are witnessing a very violent response from the police here in France (nothing close to what ICE is doing in the USA…yet)
Multiple attempts were filmed. At least one attempt by the “anti felony brigade” (“Brigade Anti Criminelle”, or “BAC”)
In the US they would open fire and kill hundreds of protestors.
Perhaps that’s exactly what it would take for some people to snap out of it.
I think in the US you would see this if people felt like they were choosing between dying and dying. If it was die in a riot or starve to death or die of exposure for example. Right now it’s suicide by cop or pretend everything is fine. I think if the US didn’t have insane violent thugs in surplus military gear driving armored vehicles as law enforcement you would see a lot more “action”. The math just doesn’t add up if you know acting this way will likely end up with you dying.
This is what the rest of the world doesn’t understand. It’s been demonstrated in history. Everyone thinks USA Mickey Mouse and Coka Cola! It’s more like the saw movies.
Yeah it’s not my fault I’m a coward, the rest of the world never had to fight in the face of death for their rights so they wouldn’t understand.
Huh actually they do understand seeing as most of them did have to do that.
It is all Mickey Mouse and Coca-Cola. And by that I mean they have you fat and distracted.
Speaking of Mickey Mouse go watch andor again and tell yourself how brave and righteous you were while you watched.
You’re not a coward. You probably never had a gun to your face or bled for six hours, talk about a roller coaster of thoughts.
They keep telling themselves it’s so much tougher to protest in America than it is for France. Whatever makes you feel better.
there aren’t quite enough politically motivated suicidal people for that to happen yet
Yeah. It’s not like people don’t remember what happened in Kent State or the Coal mine protest. You can say all you want about the second amendment until you learn the concept of superior firepower.
Thats how change is made
Despite everyone saying they want to die on the internet they don’t actually want to die, hope this helps
Good
Go fuck yourself, those would be good people dying
Good people dying for a good cause. The US is catatonicly lumbering towards self destruction. One death won’t snap anyone out of it. Alex Pretti proved that. It’ll take hundreds of people slaughtered for the people to wake up. If the government doesn’t bury it like China does with Tiananmen Square.
Bro US is just China with “two” parties
You first then
Leaving this here
Why should these correlate?
It doesn’t show correlation. They’re probably making a point about priorities, because it shows more people attend furry conventions over the course of a year than ICE protests.
Absolutely correct. I made the graph out of a joke and did not expect the result. A lot of US people still believe that what they are doing is “heavily protesting the government”.
And how did you define “ICE protest”? We had 8 million at No Kings in one day last year, funny how that isn’t in your cherry picked graph.
lmao, I know that education is bad, but at least try to read and understand that graph, where it clearly says those are ICE protests, so your allegation of me cherry picking is simply stupid. And if you believe that No Kings was about protesting ICE, then you most likely did not even understand the message you want to transmit to your government
The No Kings protests grew a large number of participants, because US people love to walk around with cardboard signs together with friends. After the protests, everybody went home happy and the next day everything was as if nothing happened.
Just another one believing you are heavily protesting your government while the rest of the world is laughing at you.
One of those is proven to be safe and the other is not
Its not correlation, it’s causation.
furries are the opiates of the masses
If they did we’d lose the election in a heartbeat. You keyboard warriors who sit at home and do nothing but whine and criticize are the fucking worst.
Oh I mean, If you wanna go back to BLM where Americans set fire and destroyed several businesses sure. People act like Americans have never destroyed property, the problem is that it wasn’t properly coordinated and people were burning down random fucking businesses rather than actual places that deserve it. All it lead to was food deserts and small businesses shuttering.
Never mind the fact that we could and would absolutely get shot for rolling up on a cop car like this but, sure man. I do love getting my daily reminder from non-US people that I should go outside and get myself killed today.
That’s not what I meant and I’m pretty sure you knew that
You literally just said that you wished no kings protestors were breaking cop car windows, destroying property and setting fires in the street like the video but now you’re pretending it’s disingenuous to call you out on that?
No, not really, and I mean that genuinely.
There are too many people on here that say shit like “You should firebomb a Walmart” and mean it with their whole heart. We already had that with the Kimberly-Clarke warehouse and we got diaper shortages. Firebombing a Walmart only hurts the locals in the area who won’t get food.
Even with bombing a police station, pray that locals actually care about each other and can respond to emergencies appropriately. I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”
Firebombing a billionaires house? Absolutely, it hurts no one else but them (pray that no house workers are in there). Fireboming cop cars when they’re attacking protesters? Sure.
But people are fucking stupid. Luigi
shotdid nothing to that CEO and that’s great and all, but it didn’t change anything. Now we got a chucklefuck who shot a random pharmacist because “Big Pharma Bad.”I just think that too many people on here are encouraging senless violence rather than actual, planned, and carefully considerated operations. And i do not want to see innocents get caught up in brash, half-baked bouts of insanity because a person thought they were “helping.”
You should firebomb a Walmart
I spend a lot of time on Lemmy and I haven’t seen a single person say that.
If I ever firebomb anything it will be a data center.
In Minecraft.
surely in minecraft
Lol you must be fortunate. I’ve seen bloodthirtsty maniacs foaming at the mouth in a thread about kittens.
Link?
Just give it a few days, it will happen again. And again.
I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”
There are entire communities, districts, and sometimes towns, where police on average poses bigger threat than any criminal ever would. Home invasion scenarios almost never happen, and on a rare occasion they do you can at least fight back. Meanwhile, police routinely enters homes, shoots nondiscriminatory, they destroy people’s lives for nothing, and you can’t even do shit about it.
And that’s before we talk about when police actually tries to do their job, the fuck they gonna do with your twenty scallywags entering your abode, outline your dead body?Pretty sure they are focused on the cops there
Americans prioritize the flow of treats over any action that might hurt the oligarchy. Even if a warehouse was burned down by an organized revolutionary militia that was actively trying to bring about change, y’all would complain that you can’t get your 10-ply toilet paper.
We have much to learn from the French.
The French are fucking legit. We need that energy in the US. I mean, it’s much easier to organize and meet in city centers in France than in the US, but if you can get 2000 dedicated and coordinated people to split into groups of around 500 and cause chaos simultaneously in any large city you’ll overwhelm the local police, national guard, whoever they decide to call in. Plus a group of organized patriots could easily disperse and blend back into the crowd if needed, then re-convene, regroup, and hit them where they ain’t. I mean FFS there’s a national guard armory a few miles from me with hummers, apc’s, a few tanks, and all sorts of sweet military gear. At any given time there’s probably 30 people or less on site guarding things, and they don’t really wanna die. There’s a single chain link fence with some cantina wire keeping people out. A car or a pair of bolt cutters will take care of that. You show up with a few hundred armed civilians, smoke the hell out of the place, cut power lines to the armory, and let them know they can either hand over the keys, disarm, and leave, or they’ll be burned down with the building they’re in.
Most military vehicles don’t even have keys. If you get thru the fence and can open the door/hatch, it’s yours.
2000? more like 10k
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Police learning that they’re outnumbered and can’t dig it.
Love to see it!
It is better when they are concerned about beating the shit out of you. They are not soft when people is soft.
Frustration leads to chaos. The French are very frustrated at the moment.
gee, i wonder why? definitely not the government’s fault…
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No, Paris.
Nice
No, it’s Paris
Nice
Argue all you want, it does restore a little of my faith in Le Mans.
And of course, the post is full of Americans trying to justify shit.
Of course it is. And per usual they know about fuck all what’s actually going on
Anyone pulling any sort of direct comparison here is being obtuse.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
For those that don’t click the above link, you gotta at least see this…
LATAM excluded, probably because they only have estimates, we have lost the count
In their case it could just as easily be organized crime.
Vive la Révolution
This is the only country where police probably really fear for their lives (not talking about the bullshit US police spew to get themselves out of trouble when they kill someone).
They should. For what I’ve seen in the news cycle, protests started peacefully then the police started crippling children. I mean, a 14 year old lost an arm to police brutality. That’s when the rest of the country raised up in arms and started attacking the cops and rioting. So far all political statements, starting with Macron, have only called to prosecute children for property damage calling them “extreme left violence”. While the cops maiming children, who were just asking for more teachers with fair pay, are being protected.
ACAB
I’m filled with joy
I used to look up to France for their ability to come together and rebel again against the unjust.
Can someone tell me what they’re doing over there?
Coming together and rebelling against the unjust.
To boil it down, billionaires stealing all the money.
Lmao Nah, at this point they’re just wrecking shit for the fun of it
Ah, yes. I remember y’all in the comments of the George Floyd protest live-streams.
Maybe some of them are enjoying it, but it’s not a daily occurrence outside of protests, and it the protest is legitimate. Their enjoyment is not the reason for wrecking shit.
Wow so deep
Please keep sharing your expertise
How about you explain hooliganism, since your so fucking deep
I don’t know, didn’t you read how I said you look like the expert here? You really sound like you yourself have attended so many of them you really have a thoroughly knowledgeable grasp on all the subtleties of the subject
Good for them, wouldn’t you have fun fighting back? We are ruled by wealthy vampires, I would rather die fighting them than help prop up this global system of genocide, endlessly exploiting every working person. There wouldn’t be wrecking if there was a real dialogue between people and the rulers. The protests never start like this. They get together and ask for what they want, then the police started beating the fuck out of them.
I just watched a clip, I’ve seen it in person before though more than once, where someone was just standing there alone doing nothing as the police groups ran by. Around a dozen cops threw him to the ground, stomped on him, beat him with sticks and he died. They want to kill us. So whatever fighting back they feel is necessary is what should be done. What are you doing to save people’s lives?
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Not putting up with bullshit, that’s what they’re doing.
By looting?
This is always a disingenuous argument against protesting. There will always be opportunistic criminals that take advantage of these situations. It’s doesn’t take away the fact that protest and a national strike are the only actual power people have against the ruling class.
I’m not worried about Walmart losing money on looted TVs when cooperations are part of the problem and are run by the ruling class. If it’s a small business, hope your shits insured.
The only problem that most often it is the smaller stores that get looted because they can not afford the security measures of the large coorporations.
I would love to read statistics about this. Do you have any pointer I can read?
The only problem is that most often these responses are made up.
Is that true though? Do you have data on that? That’s not what I’ve seen. They looted Louis Vuitton, is that a small local store?
Criminal gangs do tend to take advantage of these situations and use it as cover. Same thing happened during the London riots.
a combination of external factors beyond the governmental control, the aftermath of short-sighted energy policies, the aftermath of even shorter-sighted deprioritization of public education, cost of living crisis on top of that and heavily biased fiscal policies on top of that and some good old government corruption as cherry on top.
Allez les gars, n’oubliez pas 1789!
