For me, it may be that the toilet paper roll needs to have the open end away from the wall. I don’t want to reach under the roll to take a piece! That’s ludicrous!
That or my recent addiction to correcting people when they use “less” when they should use “fewer”
I frequent a bakery that sells the Swedish treat called a semla. No one who works there speaks Swedish, so when I ask for ”two semlor” (pl.), they repeat it right back to me ”two semlas”. Sigh. They have a very finite number of foreign language menu items—they can learn the plurals. (Don’t get me wrong, if ”semlas” is the price of semlor I don’t have to make, I am willing to pay it, but boy does it annoy me.)
Discord is not a good replacement for support forums. Discord isn’t searchable by search engines.
Historically, if I had an issue with a product and I googled “[product] [issue]” I’d be met with a support forum post, with someone describing the same issue. I could read the thread to find how they resolved it. I don’t actually have to interact with the post at all, and I don’t need to ask the same question again. For most (decent) forums I don’t even need to make an account just to read the post.
Discord throws that all out the window. Now I’m met with a “JoiN OUr dIScoRd SerVEr to GEt suPPorT” page. Nothing is searchable via a search engine. And Discord’s server searchability (even in the app) has always been, at best, absolute dogshit. You already need to know exactly which text thread things were posted in, (because you can’t search the entire server at once), and you need to know exactly what was said, (because there’s no fuzzed search terms).
So 99% of the time, you just end up asking the same question that has already been asked a hundred times in the past, and now you need to wait for someone to respond. It also puts a lot more strain on the support staff, because they’re answering the same question a hundred times instead of just the once in a forum.
And don’t come at me with the “but Discord recently added a support forum feature where people can start threads and save the conversation for later” bullshit. That’s a band-aid, at best. It still isn’t searchable via search engines, so it means the above issues with Discord’s search function still apply, and the forum function is essentially useless as support forums.
Lastly, why the fuck should I be forced to join another server just to get support? What if I don’t have a discord account? What if I live in a region that Discord doesn’t support? What if I just plain don’t want to clog up my server sidebar with dozens of servers that I have only visited once? What if I just really hate the fact that your server has been configured to push notifications for every single message by default? What if I just fucking want to google my issue, and get an answer without any further effort?
And that’s assuming they even have a support staff. Most of the time I see this bullshit, it’s small dev teams maintaining niche software with less than the bare minimum of documentation.
The only problem I have with your stance is that it’s not petty, pointless nor pedantic. It’s a plague on the world of software. Discord is terrible for the use-case it’s intended for (group chats), why the fuck are people using it for their community forums???
OP asked for petty/pointless/pedantic hills. Did you miss that?
I’d argue that this is petty, because you’re still technically able to get support for your issue in the end. It just takes a lot more effort in everyone involved; More effort on your end to actually get support, and more effort on support staff because they have already answered your question a hundred times further up the thread.
No. Using discord is unacceptable. It’s not pettiness.
If it were supposed to be pronounced “jif” it would have been spelled that way, I don’t give two fucks what Stephen Wilhite said about it either.
Same with Gnome wanting to be pronounced “Gah-nome”, or Latex “Latech”. Just spell stuff the way you want it to be pronounced, or accept that people pronounce it another way
or Latex “Latech”. Just spell stuff the way you want it to be pronounced
But they did! You’re the one who fucked it up by using an “x” (Latin letter x) instead of a “χ” (Greek letter chi).
(Also, you didn’t capitalize or format it correctly. It’s supposed to be rendered as “LAΤΕΧ”, and yes, those last three letters are
Τ Ε ΧGreek capital tau, epsilon, chi.)🤓
New hill: All brand names must be composed entirely of pronounceable characters from languages in actual use today
from languages in actual use today
Nuh uh
Gnome is spelt the way they want it to be said. Are you suggesting that gnome should be pronounced ‘nome’ like the garden ornament with a silent g.
Is it not?
I don’t care. Will always be Nome. Fuck Pedo Stallman’s preference.
Agreed. I think since the “G” stands for “graphics” it should be pronounced like the G in graphics.
I always respond that in that case, “jpeg” should be pronounced “jfeg”.
But why? We don’t pronounce any other acronyms like that, so why treat GIF different? The U in SCUBA isn’t pronounced like it is in Underwater. The first A in CAPTCHA isn’t pronounced the same as in Automated and the CH isn’t split up to be pronounced like Computer and Human. The second A in NASA isn’t pronounced like in Administration and the I in PIN doesn’t get pronounced like Identification.
We read acronyms as their own words, not as a collection of the first sounds of each constituent word.
Tbf, you’re pointing out the vowels which make the sounds needed to pronounce the acronym as a word. But I get it, either way, we’re pronouncing the word as a standalone word.
Right in the same neighborhood… Jpeg (photographic)
Time to pronounce it jfeg lol
🤷 just cause?
Also, “gift”
Have any examples where the first letter of the acronym isn’t pronounced the same? (I’m sure there are some)
AWOL, OSHA, AIDS, ICE
UFO, not that that’s a super relevant question if we’re already admitting that our opinions are “just cause.” I think at that point the better question is “if just cause, why is there such a split in opinions?”
I think the reason GIF is so contentious is that if we can there’s a tendency to make acronyms sound like words if possible. FUBAR and SCUBA are pronounced the way they are because we’re trained from words like tuba to see the UBA and use a long U. Something like “oofo” (or “uh-fo” as you would likely argue) for UFO sounds like half a word, hence pronouncing the letters individually. The thing about GIF is that both pronunciations sound like a word, and so both feel valid enough that there can be a split in opinions. Any arguments one way or the other is just trying to justify a gut feeling about which way is “proper.”
To be fair, UFO is an initialism, not an acronym. But at the same time, if it was, I think it’d still be an example, because we’d likely pronounce the U like “oo” (as in “boo”), lol
Nearly all acronyms are technically initialisms
Nah, there’s plenty of both, even mixed in very similar subject matter. Example:
An ATM (initialism) takes a card then asks you for its PIN (acronym).
we all know it’s actually pronounced “yiff”
uwu
The thing is, that argument doesn’t really hold up, because g in English has two major pronunciations.
English being a bad language doesn’t excuse incorrect pronunciations. And if your argument was to hold any water, it’d be pronounced jraphics.
If it were meant to be pronounced ‘giff’ as in ‘goober’, it would have been spelled that way. You decide to turn an initialism into an acronym, you get what you get.
It always WAS an acronym. That’s the entire point of the argument. "G"raphics "I"nterchange "F"ormat.
Nobody turned it into an acryonym, it just IS an acronym. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. The reason it’s pronounced with a hard G is because Graphics is a hard G.
A simple one I think, I refuse to call twitter by other names.
I do love, however calling it Xitter where X is pronounced “sh”
Like Xi Jinping. (Shi )
Is it? The voice in my head pronounced zshi when I read it.
Wikipedia says. ʒI: where “ʒ” is the S in pleasure or the g in beige
Which is to say (smoking my pipe like oxford don) I was making a scatological joke.
Shitter
That’s fine, it’s just hard to know without hearing native speakers’ pronunciations and you’ve only read it. Thanks for the reply!
I’ve never actually heard anyone call it X before, unless they were making a joke about the whole thing. Everybody I know still calls it Twitter. Calling it X is just embarrassing.
“white chocolate” doesn’t exist. It’s just sugar and a little bit of cocoa butter. It’s edible wax. It’s not chocolate and it doesn’t belong in any assortment of sweets, ever. Cocoa butter is skin moisturizer and that’s it.
It provably does exist. And it’s delicious. I could go to the supermarket and buy some right now. Except I’m fat and trying to lose weight.
It does exist in the way that chocolate ‘solids’ exist as an element of chocolate. A typical chocolate bar consists of both chocolate solids and cocoa butter. It’s still an element of what you’re eating,
So just cuz you eat ‘chocolate’ because you think you only favor the solids, you’re still eating the butter too in what makes chocolate. It’s like drinking milk products and then getting pedantic over people who use butter as a food even though milk contains some the same elements.
But again this is about stupid hills to die on. And you picked an intolerant and ignorant stance so I guess you technically win in this particular topic.
No need for personal attack, this is all in good fun.
But personal attacks are funny.
I’m fine with changing the name for it, but you sir can fuck right off if you want me to stop eating it instead of your “real” chocolate
The most delicious edible wax I’ve ever had.
I’m allergic to chocolate solids but can eat cocoa butter. So, in a society that is unreasonably obsessed with chocolate, it is nice that there is occasionally a “white chocolate” option on things that for some reason come in 15 flavors of chocolate and little else.
Have you tried ruby chocolate yet? I’m guessing you won’t be impressed.
Ruby chocolate?
What is Ruby Chocolate? Everything You Need to Know
I’ve tried it a couple of times, but it’s a little hard to find.
It gets it’s name from it’s reddish-pink color.
@notnotmike@programming.dev, this one trigger you to?
Blocked.
I would argue it’s actually congealed demon jizz but it’s definitely not fucking chocolate.
Thank you for being fun and not a terrible person.
its “I could not care less” and not “I could care less”. This one drives me nuts
I agree with this statement, but I never notice its wrong until someone points it out. Then my inner grammar teacher has an aneurysm and I go off on a tangent.
It’s so close to being right that you don’t think about it, until you do. Then OCD sets in.
The “is a hot dog a sandwich” and similar discussions are solved with the mighty sword of language and not some rigid taxonomy about fillings and bread.
Imagine a set of food items on a table, hot dog amongst them, but not other pseudo-sandwiches. I ask you to “Please pass me that sandwich.” If there is but a moment’s pause in your mind before you reach for the hot dog, even if it’s as you surmise I must be speaking about the hot dog as there are no other sandwich-like items available, then it is not a sandwich.
Psycholinguisitics understands this effect. The “wrong” word is increasing cognitive load and slowing down the listener’s comprehension. The exact same thing happens when pronoun use is unclear and a person has to parse the most likely referent from context.
Language, especially English, is not computer code but leveraging the existing “libraries” of meaning and declaring variables carefully is usually very useful.
I wish we had a dialect or subset of English that was intended to be more like computer code, and would be used for precisely specifying things. I have no idea how we’d do such a thing, and it’d never be adopted (and probably it’s been tried!). But trying to write English in a way that can’t be misinterpreted can be a real chore.
This does exist in professional disciplines as jargon. I work in Orthopaedics and we do not say the “over here, inside part of my knee in the front. “. We say, “inferior, medial pole of the patella”
That’s true and a great example of what my industry needs.
To make an analogy, in the software industry we call 7 different knee-like things “knees”. Not to be confused with the product, Knee, which is also knee-like, but due to its name either pollutes the search results for other knees OR can literally not be searched, and is only a very specific case of knee anyway!
taxonomy
shit
Is that the right word
I’ve been using “ontology” when talking about item classification to sound smart
I guess it worked bc no one said “You mean taxonomy, right?” yet. My illusion of pretending I’m not a dumbass to people IRL isn’t broken yet I hope.
But if, instead of a hot dog, there are sliced deli meats on the table and you ask me to pass the sandwich, I’m still going to pause and be confused because component parts are never the final product. I’m not sure what this proves.
My reasoning is that a hotdog is a sausage. When you say you want a sandwich, you don’t say “pass me a ham” you say “pass me a ham sandwich.” When ordering a named sandwich, “I’ll have a Ruben” it’s widely understood that a Ruben is a sandwich so the modifier is already packaged in the name. A sandwich has “Sandwich” as a defining modifier.
When you ask for a hotdog you don’t say, “give me a hotdog sandwich” you say, “give me a hotdog.” The same situation works with bratwurst, you don’t order a brat sandwich. To further reinforce this, if you’re in the south and central US and order a Hotlink it comes on it’s own or in a hotdog bun but if you order a “hotlink sandwich” you get two hotlinks cut length wise and placed on a hamburger bun or bread.
A sausage can have a bun as a condiment and still be just a sausage. A sandwich can have sausage, but is still refered to as a sandwich. So a hotdog is a sausage served with bread, not a sandwich.
Are pepperoni and salami sausages?
It doesn’t change your sandwich example since they still fit if they are sausages, but sausage is another example of a name that is consistent except for all the times it isn’t.
Are pepperoni and salami sausages?
Yes.
It doesn’t change your sandwich example since they still fit if they are sausages,
It does unless you’re putting an entire pepperoni or salami in one piece on your bread and still call it a sandwich. I would call bread with a number of thin hotdog-slices still a sandwich, too.
Nobody calls papperoni sausage when it is on pizza though. That is consistent with your example that a sausage is generally called a sausage only if it has not been sliced.
Except for summer sausage.
Honestly the biggest takeway from the whole discussion is that what we call food is completely arbitrary and just people going along with what the most vocal people are saying. Which is true about any informal communication.
But hot dogs aren’t sandwiches they’re tacos. It perfectly logical to describe a hot dog as an American taco. If there were no taco items on the table and you asked for a taco I’d think you were being funny, but I’d pass you the hot dog.
Without pause? You’re telling me that if you saw a table with xiaolongbao, hamburger, duba wot, pizza, Caesar salad, ice cream, hot dog, soondubu, and potato chips on it and I said “Please pass me that taco.” you would hand me the hot dog without any hesitation? Even a fucking moment’s worth?
Pause long enough to go “that’s different”, then hand you the hot dog, because only one of those items is a taco, even if it’s not commonly called a taco.
Then it’s not a fucking taco. If it were a taco, it would be readily apparent what I meant. You have to parse my request and try to interpret what I could be meaning by taco as I’m using it in an incorrect way.
Language is meant to communicate meaning and if the language I use obfuscates my meaning it’s being used incorrectly. It isn’t clear that I meant hot dog when I said taco, hence your hypothetical pause.
So you’re WRONG, but I do appreciate your honesty, thank you let’s play again sometime
i don’t record or watch vertical videos
It was getting better until tiktok
The hero we need, but not the one we deserve
Same. Don’t get me wrong, short form content is okay (I prefer long form). But the shit you see on Tick Tock and YouTube Shorts is so ridiculous that I can’t help but reactively close the app out of self preservation…
It all started when someone wanted to fry chicken in Pepto-Bismol…
this one also makes me irritated in general when I see it happen and sometimes angry when I find out a special moment was only captured via vertical video. Cell phones are amazing portable devices, not the end means of consuming media.
I have an ultra wide monitor at work and giant TVs in half the rooms in my house. 92% of the media I watch is on a landscape screen and the other 8% I’m pooping
The medical symbol of the staff with the snake is only supposed to have 1 (one) snake on it. A staff with 1 snake is the Rod of Asclepius (the son of Apollo and Greek demigod of medicine), a staff with 2 snakes is a Caduceus which is carried by Hermes as a messenger or herald.
Physicians get 1 snake. Couriers and heralds get 2 snakes. Any medical professional or organization that uses 2 snakes is wrong and needs to go study the humanities and classics for a bit.
Would two snakes on an ambulance be acceptable? They’re kind of like couriers of the sick and injured.
That’s the only time I think it’s acceptable. Ambulances are kind of a venn diagram of healthcare and couriers, so the 2 snakes on the star of life makes sense.
They may need to mix it up by switching to 2 crossed staffs with a total of 3 snakes to get it juuusst right.
Similarly, the Shamrock, (☘️) an important symbol for Saint Patrick’s Day has three leaves where most SPD kitch sold in the US features four-leaf clovers (🍀) an unrelated good luck symbol. I dont object because I feel Ireland needs a better iconic saint (and a better holiday) than the guy who brought the imperialist religion under which the native Irish would be subjugated.
They need someone like Joan of Arc who ran the English out (of settlements in France).
Wait, he didn’t chase out literal snakes?!
While I know you’re being funny, for those unaware, the snakes being referred to with St Patrick were a euphemism for the non-Christian beliefs in Ireland.
… But 2 snakes looks cooler…
Also Hermes -> Alchemy -> Medicine. I can grok that.
Given the thread we’re in: grok is not a word.
Isn’t the one snake staff more of a trans symbol?
Look I’m all for trans homies and positivity but not everything has to be a fuckin trans symbol.
This is what I was thinking of, which does have two snakes and a stick in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiresias
That would be more similar to the Caduceus anyways given the number of snakes.
To streamers, YouTubers, etc. Your Patreon supporters are called Patrons. Not fucking “Patreons.”
Since I only ever had heard this english word in the specific context of YouTube, I’m not even sure what is difference in prononciation btw the two.
Patreon is a brand name that allows monetization for artist etc.
Patron means supporter.
Yeah but my issue is with how to pronounce it.
Patreon = pay-tree-on
Patron = pay-trun
It’s concrete, not cement. (Sidewalks for example, or foundations of buildings, etc)
Cement is an ingredient in concrete.
I learned something new today.
If something’s rate of hype is too fast for my internal meter, I will become immediately skeptical of the trend/show/etc. and not care about it, solely because everyone is caring about it too much and too fast.
And that is exactly how I ended up never watching Game of Thrones.
I call it the “trying too hard” put-off. The harder you try to sell me on something, the more I’m sure I don’t want or need it.
With very few exceptions, that popular TV show you like with either end bad or get cancelled before it gets a chance to end bad.
Ice bucket challenge? Ha, get fucked.
With my friends it was the cinnamon challenge. I have zero regrets noping out of that one.
YYYY/MM/DD
For me it’s YYYY-MM-DD https://www.iso.org/iso-8601-date-and-time-format.html
Also, there is a special place for those people who keep making up new timestamps
I prefer MYYD/MYYD.
It’s the only way that makes sense to parse. Imagine if literally anything else worked with the minor amounts first.
This thing costs 25 cents and 3,000 dollars
The time is currently 45:9.
This program is v11.7.9 and the next release is v0.8.9
I don’t like “mixed number” format, like 1/4 and 648,3. I’d much rather say “five hundredths, two tenths, six ones, four tens, 8 hundreds and 3 thousand”
I guess a lot less recipes would get overseasoned though.
What you’re saying makes s lot of sense, but how do you speak dates?
When did you start working your current job? It was in 2022, Aprill 11th
What’s your anniversary date? We were married on 2012, September the 9th.
People don’t talk that way, which is how writing them down got to be the MMDDYYYY format in the first place. Technically, it was MMDDYY exclusively until mid 1999.
Don’t even get me started on this one…
I can recline my seat. And you can recline yours.
I think fewer of people when they misuse words. Their not that hard too tail a part.
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn’t take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It’s clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother’s mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
Like taking a bath in a rash.
You’re the worst. But you did good, kid. You did good.
