And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don’t understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.
This got reported as being not twitter or equal. I’m kind of on the fence about this. I see their point, but the original was twitter. Please tell me what you think in the comments, not just downvote or upvote. This will guide me in the future if we have any more posts like this.
Do whatever, ruleslawyering is not helpful. Is the community enjoying it? It stays. Is it detrimental? It gets removed. The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
Is someone posting vaguely in the direction of the intent of the community? That would be good enough for me.
Anyone trying to separate posts into increasingly niche communities (like the asinine dontdeadopeninside and nosafetysmokingfirst split on reddit) is not helping the community of posters and lurkers.
The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
I totally agree. Rules number 1, 4, and 5 are the most important, in my opinion. I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be rules in the communities; there definitely should be rules. Guidelines for what to post instead of what not to post will probably be more beneficial.
We need to keep the cycle going. Remove the post, so that OP can make their own fuck this I’m done post.
I don’t tend to think of wpt as specifically twitter posts. Maybe that’s how it started, but over time it has become a more generalized “screenshots of short text posts” type of thing in my mind. The “or similar” in the rules leaves a lot of ambiguity, but in my mind Twitter was always about short text posts, so any short text posts would fall under that “similar” umbrella. I wouldn’t object to seeing something from Facebook, Instagram, or Reddit being posted here as long as it was a text post and not super long, so it feels disingenuous to complain about a Lemmy post being here.
Especially since, twitter isn’t even twitter anymore. And the only thing you are going to get from what twitter has become is ragebait, bots, and racism. For “whitepeopletwitter” to continue and not end up dying from lack of content, it needs to start opening up to other sources that stick with the same idea as what twitter used to supply.
I think it’s the mod reason for removing that the person who reported it had a problem with.
It probably shouldn’t be allowed in the future, but given that it has > 300 up-votes and is only now spurring a finer definition of the rule, I think it warrants an exception. If OP reads this, they now know to post this kinda thing in a different community in the future. But removing this particular post seems a little harsh.
Edit: This is an awesome approach to moderation btw. People like you make lemmy great, thank you!
I was searching for a community to post it, but I couldn’t find any. This one seemed closer to the idea l, a post where it says something. I also think I saw a photo from Facebook in this community, so…m Maybe we need a community about posts like these, but not twitter.
You can post it in my community. Or Lemmy Shitpost. Here’s a link:https://lemmy.world/c/itsashitworld
Is there a lemmydrama like subredditdrama? Maybe a fedidrama community would work. I don’t know if one exists yet
I havent read the rules of the comm. but ive always perceived whitepeopletwitter as a place to post text based social media screenshots.
People like this need to accept and understand that we don’t want to talk about US politics everywhere, all the time.
Fighting to remove as many posts as possible on Lemmy when we barely get any posts at all doesn’t make sense; ignore the people requesting you take a popular post down for some potential technicality.
You’re right.
I’m going to start posting my gunpla in cooking communities because we need content.
We have trolls here too. I’m okay if they take a hike, lol.
It should be in YPTB, but they’ll just use that as more proof of their “outrage”.
the original was twitter
As in, the post was originally on Twitter? I’m not sure what this means
Yes, that’s what I mean. It was on a twitter like site.
Sounds fine to me, if this is a picture of a Twitter-like site then I don’t really see an issue
I am not sure how this changes the “the post was against the states rules which are there for a reason and the mod was the absolute most gentle about it” facts.
Did I get the facts wrong?
I don’t see the original. All I see are Lemmy related images and that, to me, doesn’t belong here.
There be some dumb motherfuckers in here.
Genocide or murder is bad is only political under fascism. That someone is sad that humanist values are not held strongly enough should not be considered political. Just because anti-human perspectives are mainstream “politics”, doesn’t make them real, even if you are fatigued by being reminded of them, as fake controversy.
Just post and upvote the aww so that your happiness is blissfully enhanced.
Yea I’m avoiding american polotics as much as I can as well. Otherwise, it is EVERYTHING I see online.
Let me guess, European hosted? Yeah I ditched them for their suppression of pro-Luigi speech. Fuck em.
Ignores the don’t X here sign then gets mad when they aren’t allowed to X
“It’s so unfair!” … as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.
A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml’s authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they’ve never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don’t like it then feel free to try to stop them.
Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.
My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.
Turns out when you build a platform around anti-censorship you wind up with a small number of free speech enthusiasts and a large number of people who will be banned from any site with rules against hate speech.
Then when you have a site where 80% of the content is racism the 20% non racists leave.
Took about two seconds.
Voat was so fucking toxic. Radioactive hate swamp.
You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?
Yes, you got me: by “hidden rules” I obviously meant the very highly visible, non-hidden ones, placed where nobody can miss them at the top of the page.
The rules only matter if the admins adhere to them and enforces them consistently.
Those hidden rules, shown openly and have working links. So hidden. I heard McDonald’s hides the Big Mac from the public too.
The issue with a “no politics” rule though is that everything is political. It ends up just being the mods removing what they want to remove and letting what they want to see stay.
Okay and if the users of that community are happy with that and you are free to stay away, where is the problem exactly?
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say. Even in the fediverse, moderators aren’t chosen democratically. Yeah, you can start your own community and try to build it up, but inertia is not in your favor.
Anyway, my point is that a “no politics” rule is not really reasonable. You can have one, and you can enforce it however you want. It will always just end up causing issues though. For example: look up Nazi degenerate art. It’s just art, right? However, to them it was political, and it was political in a way they didn’t like, so they removed it from society.
No moderator is perfect. Even if you trust them, blurry rules probably aren’t the best. There’s better ways to define the intent than “no politics” that create clear borders of what’s allowed and what isn’t. Blurry rules are usually best for those who want to abuse it.
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say.
Yes that is because they don’t carry any of the responsibilities of running the server. Why would they be allowed to decide?
I didn’t say they should. Your comment implied that they did (or at least implies participation is consent). I just pointed out that they, in fact, do not. There is no value judgement in that statement.
I am excited to see how your lemmy instance works out. When will it go online?
I just saw this post on “All”. I’m not part of this community and I don’t care to open an alternative for it. I’m just point out how blurry rules are open for abuse. Just because you agree with the person running things today doesn’t mean someone in the future won’t use it to remove something you want to stay. I don’t understand how people don’t get this yet.
I don’t understand why have comms literally about politics and world news if you’re just going to post the same stuff to any other comm that really doesn’t need that kind of content. If people keep ignoring what belongs where, why have comms at all? Idk, maybe it’s my OCD talking…
Yeah, so when I go to shitpost and people start taking the posts seriously, I try to say hey folks, look where you are, this isn’t a serious community, let’s keep the shit light.
And so yeah, when folks shoehorn political agendas into literally any community they can, I’ll point out how it’s got nothing to do with the community, and how it’s frustrating, because it does not further the community, it just furthers that person’s (or bot’s) agenda.
Brb gonna post this in a political community, because community rules don’t matter the other way so I should be good, right?
Is that a baby sloth?
I’m not the sort that gushes all the time about baby animals, but that is like the cutest little thing ever. I want to squish it and pet it.
It is!
has a very mild run-in with one singular community’s admin “That’s it, I’m done with the entire platform !”
And a respectful and considerate encounter at that
I had to switch instances a couple times before I found one who kinda tolerates my bullshit.
Are they both the same person?
I already block so many keywords and communities here. It’s hard to keep up.
Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.
Amen!!
Daft_ish has got a real problem if they’re that outraged by the mod’s response. I’ve seen plenty of powertriping arseholes to be mad at in my time, but this isn’t it.
US politics, including about the ICE murders, is spoken about more than enough across the English speaking internet.
I know as much about current US politics as I do my own country’s politics, because you can’t get away from it without blocking most posts on here.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
I know more about US politics than my own country’s politics, which is a problem because it’s an election year and the Nazis need to get out of parliament.
I need to get into the details of things so I can do my civic duty, but I’m fucking exhausted from all the American politics that for my own sanity I just don’t want to.
Exactly. The far right of most countries barely even need to try anymore, the US has gotten so good at flooding the news that they even burn out people from other countries from the constant cynicism
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Inb4: “You’re just privileged enough not to have to think about it.”
No, I just want a brief goddamn respite every once in a while, everybody deserves that. Just because I want to be able to escape into a fantasy world sometimes doesn’t mean that I never talk about politics either, it’s like cheating on your diet, just let me have a fucking cookie every now and again ffs!
Exactly. We’re not blind or don’t care about politics. I’m more than aware of my country’s problems and the US’s…
But how am I meant to not burn out on this stuff if I can’t get away from it?
Sure I could just detox from social media and go work on something that interests me, and that’s what I do most of the time…
But sometimes I do still want to chat with others, and it’d be nice to be able to do that and have it not be about politics.
This 100%. I care about politics. I deeply care about what’s happening with our country.
But I’ve had to pare down the places where I see it. I’ve stopped watching Last Week Tonight because it makes me feel so powerless on what I have control over. I absolutely love the show but I just…can’t anymore.
I’m acting locally, participating in whatever protests I can, calling and emailing my reps as often as I can.
But man…the right’s “flood the zone” works effectively and I can’t just keep burning out.
I won’t say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don’t want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it’s not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what’s happening, they need some time off.
Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.
Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.
That said, I’m fine with having a general “news” that allows it all, “political news” that is strictly political, “apolitical news” that allows everything else but politics, “uplifting news” that is actually uplifting, “climate news” that is specifically about that, “science news” etc etc. This is the internet we can make the comms, we’re not running out of room to store them.
I think part of why it’s like this here is that in the beginning, before the exodus, it was necessary to keep comms broad because there were like 12 people here, but now it’s like 3y on, and I think we can get more specific now.
Another, larger part is the annoying hexbear and grad users, after annoying everyone so hard with oh y’know putting their politics where it didn’t belong (“weird” that it’s the same issue now) they got largely defederated, they started migrating to alts on other instances and instead of learning their lesson on why nobody likes them and pushing their politics where it does belong they just continue because the evangelism is the point.
When it comes to activism, I’ve often said that, ‘most people know the difference between a good vegan and a bad vegan’. Being insufferable, overbearing, or pushing discussions where they aren’t needed or wanted does nothing to help your cause, it usually does the opposite. When you talk to most people who ascribe to a certain political, lifestyle, or activist way of life, you’ll usually find that most of them are pretty normal and non-pervasive people; IE you may never even know those details without asking them. This goes for most things. Fitness enthusiast vs gym bro. Music/Media enjoyers vs gatekeepers. Activist who promote and provide good accurate information in a hands off way, vs those who push political messaging where it’s not wanted. Be a good vegan.
Time, place, audience. Daft_ish thinks Lemmy needs a reminder that Alex Pretti was murdered in broad daylight? Imagining them walking up to Greta Thunberg while she’s eating a vegan soup for dinner and reminding her about how awful commercial fishing is
As somebody who just came here from Reddit, I find all of these communities refreshingly free of American politics.
I have the complete opposite experience, I almost cannot escape it here. My reddit infinite scroll was way more diverse, here it’s exclusively american politics and linux, and if it wasn’t for linux I would quit this whole platform
I would have already went back to reddit if it wasn’t for the ability to block communities.
On a side note, welcome.
If you haven’t figured this out already and your front page feels stale, then switch around to “Hot,” “Top 6 Hours” or “Active.” Active is the default and feels stale on topics.
I like “scaled”
Am I the only “All” enjoyer? I dont even subscribe to communities.
I’m on “All” right now 😎
