Fox News host Sean Hannity dedicated a segment of his Thursday show to deliver a message to Pope Leo XIV, suggesting he and others at the Vatican had totally lost sight of the true meaning of the bible and its teachings.
Hanity left the Catholic Church when he was having sexual affairs and wanted to divorce his wife.
That’s the reason. His excuse came later.
President is right Tolkien knows nothing about Middle Earth.
The Christian Nationalist shit for brains are making an attempt to teach religion to Pope Leo. GTFO and these clowns are identical to the Kremlin backed Orthodox lunatics who preach the Ukraine invasion is correct.
If you claim to be a Christian but deny the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, you are not Catholic; you are what they call schismatic.
A key distinction between terms here is that while Catholics are probably the largest single Christian group in the US, a larger Christian percentage belongs to various Protestant groups. They already don’t care about the pope and think Catholics are wrong
Not all statements by the pope are regarded as infallible by Catholics. In fact, invoking infallibility is very rare. However Leo’s statements on the Iran War are very clearly in line with Catholic doctrine.
As an non-American who was baptised Catholic and observing US politics, I’ve always wondered how could the mostly Protestant, Christian nationalists would work with Catholics. Well, here goes my answer.
Also, I am seeing a repeat of history here. The German Catholics opposed Hitler while it is the Protestants who supported him. Oh how history circles back!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust
The Pope at time disagreed with the German Catholics and agreed with Nazis
Wasn’t it Pius who also worked with the resistance and was a part of a plot to have Hitler assasinated?
As an American raised by evangelical nationalists, I always knew it would go down like this. There’s enough tolerance to function in day to day life but the behind closed doors contempt and downright hate, not for the theology or the scandals that come up, but the plain hate for people being different was instilled almost daily. They’d accept a kindness from a Catholic or Mormon neighbor, smile to their face, then talk shit as soon as they left. The entitlement and sense of superiority while simultaneously being victims is phenomenal. The more they realize they don’t need to rely on a broad idea of “Christianity” to further their agenda the more they’ll turn on every sect that doesn’t fit their idea of “Christianity”. I hope the Mormons are taking notes about the cost of hitching wagons with the evangelicals, cus they really hate you guys.
That’s just people in general.
There’s a special kind of superiority for evangelicals like the people who raised me. There’s the hatred of racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia- those are often easy to identify at first glance or figure out quickly. They want their white Christian America, and a substantial percentage of Mormons and Catholics are white and “Christian enough” when they need voter and public support. I think Catholics and Mormons have forgotten that the people they’ve been breaking bread with are the descendants of the people who terrorized the Irish and Italian immigrants and ran the Mormons out of New York, the Missouri, and tried to run them out of Idaho. Given time they’d probably turn on each other over Lutherans vs Baptists. They don’t actually want broad white evangelical supremacy, they want themselves alone to be supreme and to be able to tread on anyone else to have their way. They’ll always find an excuse to justify their personal “betterness”, but in fact are just empowering the oligarch class who will always reap the benefits of being above the law.
I thought the Mormons got run out of New York and Missouri because they were angry at all the cons that Joseph Smith was running at the expense of the local populace.
That does tend to be the source of most religious disputes- your salvation grift is cutting into our salvation grift, your cult is getting more popular than our cult, your influence could be a threat to local politics. Mormonism wasn’t rebuked by a woke mob of atheists sick of conmen, advocating science, and opposed to a new version of the old patriarchy, it was rebuked by a mob of other Christians who thought their Christianity was better. They joined forces out of bigotry, jealousy, greed, and xenophobia. Smith was a charlatan in Jesus’ name, he was just a more successful one than his rivals and that pissed then off.
Indeed, and that is why The Little Bastard Austrian Corporal made a deal with the Vatican and created the “Reichskonkordat” and it still exists to this very day.
They are already positioning Trump for a religious re-brand when he’s out after 2028. He will be the competition for the Pope in the MAGA religion. It’s going to be the hottest, richest, most popular religion in the Universe, and Trump is your direct messenger to God.
They were hitting it HARD during the Biden administration, but the media wasn’t covering it, of course. They quieted it down a bit when he got re-elected, but now that things are going even worse than predicted, they are ramping up the religious rhetoric again - “You better not mess with Trump, he knows Jesus and God personally.”
They probably think that Americans won’t have the stomach for prosecuting a genuine religious prophet. Yeah? Watch me.
100 trump coins guarantee a meter square of land in heaven
What’s a meter? Is this some commie shit I’m too Burger to understand?
I know you meant this comment as a portent of ill tidings, but “out in 2028” and “the media wasn’t covering him” just sounds so relaxing, I’m having a hard time getting worked up over it.
Americas about to get excommunicated at this rate.
But it’s not a cult, guys.
Conflicting cults, let them fight
That’s exactly what I’m hoping for.
My interpretation of imaginary bullshit created thousands of years ago is correct and yours isn’t
I wonder if gaslighting religion is going to work on the MAGA base, they have to go against what they were taught their whole life now, a really test of the cult loyalty.
I bet Trump is now especially unhappy that the Pope is American otherwise he would be all like “that is what happens when you choose a European/Latin american pope”
100% and I think it might have been one of the reason he was chosen. This may legit deprogram some MAGA’s into leaving him like the epstine files did.
Well, I’d argue that most of MAGA is evangelical, who tend to view Catholicism as either “fake Christianity” or a kind of quaint remnant of an older time that Protestantism fixed (and evangelicalism perfected). So most of them are already on board with the idea that the Pope is bad.
MAGA is itself a religion. They are Christian because it gives them an excuse to treat women and dark skinned people badly, not because they believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ.
If they have to choose, MAGA aligns with their beliefs more than a segment of Christianity that many Evangelicals already dislike.
MAGA is itself a religion.
A lot of people don’t realise that ideology replaced religion as the source of mass movements. Ever since the rise of liberal individualism and scientific revolution, the role of religion diminished as the glue for community and source of knowledge. This is what Friedrich Nietzsche meant by “God is dead”. It is not a coincidence that political movements centred on the mass mobilisation, namely socialism, communism and fascism, have sprung up around the same time.
Unfortunately, we are seeing the same thing unfolding again in our lifetime. The rise of neoliberalism, when Margaret Thatcher declared “there is no society, only individuals”, is what initiated the death of community and social cohesion in recent memory. This led to plenty of lonely individuals who are easy preys for the far-right, as was the case before in Germany and Italy.
Ever since the rise of liberal individualism and scientific revolution, the role of religion diminished as the glue for community and source of knowledge.
Catholicism has diminished since The Black Death, liberal individualism and the scientific revolution would have never occurred if the Catholics still owned Europe.
The plague revealed the powerlessness of the faith; in the beginning, Catholics ruled Europe and controlled people from birth to death. After, they never recovered the same authority for obvious reasons.
liberal individualism and the scientific revolution would have never occurred if the Catholics still owned Europe
And if you don’t like that counterfactual, I’ve got others.
Jesus Christ teaches that when He comes back, He will murder everyone who doesn’t bow to Him. He’s kind of a dick. There’s no good guy in this fight
Sunk Cost!
They’ve been telling themselves that they’re persecuted for so long, the turn to realize they are the baddies would break most people.
They will Kowtow to an all knowing and powerful God that is speaking through the divine Trump (who may or may not be the antichrist). Because that all knowing and all powerful God has chosen to place him there and respecting authority is respecting God.
That trap hasn’t sprung but the fear of it brought us to white nationalist storming the Capitol. It’s like a cultural poison pill that has been boiled in conspiracy theories since the eighties.
MAGA churches want to speedrun towards Armageddon. War in the Middle East is what they crave.
Yes, because they can twist it to their versions of what ever it is they believe. As long as Trump continues his war on immigration then all will be good amongst the majority of MAGA zealous.
Not saying the pope is perfect or anything, lotta baggage over there, but Trump is feeling pretty anti-Christy
I’d say he’s more like Moloch.
Be kind to others
-Bible, New Testament’s teachings of Jesus
Being kind to others is evil, and it’s not what Jesus would have stood for!
-Republicans
Reminder: be kind to others
-Pope
The Pope is a libtard.
-Faux News
^My basic understanding of whats going on.
Ex-cultist here. Specifically, fundamentalist Christian in the US.
So what we’re seeing here is a division between in-groups and out-groups, and drawing that circle closer as a means of guarding against valid criticism. Consider; the standard response of most cults when they are under attack is to double down on its assertions that it is telling the truth. Most cults are built with a persecution complex as key part of exploiting their believers.
This tactic triggers their emotional response to rally to the defense of their cause, because “We’re under attack! We’re being hunted! The Worst Thing Possible is going to happen, and it is THIS PERSECUTOR’S fault!” This also forces a false choice in members who are doubting the leadership, forcing them to either cut all social ties and side with the enemy (they are trained to see this as a fate worse than death) or rehearse their dogma and rally without question.
Ex-cultist here
Congrats on getting out.
^My basic understanding of whats going on.
We were explaining different things. Where I was giving a general summation of events, yours explains the motive. 2 sides to the same coin.
Be kind to others -Bible
It also says “kill others”, you should read it. LOTS of instructions on killing
There are many reasons not to be murderous, the Bible isn’t one of them. Does it say “do not murder?” YES. Does it also say “murder”. YES. Many times. Throughout.
Fixed
Lmao I love how folks are telling the VOICE OF GOD ON EARTH that he’s wrong.
(I’m an atheist and don’t believe it, but this whole situation is hilarious.)
Catholics are not real “Christians”. So they dont believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope.
I cannot fathom telling a guy who has dedicated his life to the church though that he doesn’t understand the bible. Then again that is the republican MO, if you think you know better than an expert clearly you do.
Catholics are as Christian as any other Christian.
I’m going to be pedantic, but it’s the exact opposite of what you wrote. Catholics are a branch of Christians, who give more importance to the role of saints and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, among other differences.
So you should actually argue that they are not really Catholics, if they don’t recognize the authority of the Pope.I had to read their comment a few times, but I think when they said “they,” they were referring to people like Hannity.
Catholics are not real “Christians”. So they dont believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope.
Like “according to people like Hannity, Catholics are not real Christians. Therefore, people like Hannity don’t believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope”
Definitely a strange way to word it.
Catholics aren’t a “branch” of Christians, they are the tree itself. The first church, they dominated for many centuries, and still do, as this discourse proves; the Pope and church remain very influential
I mean the catholics have shaped all Christianity.
Be sure you don’t say this in front of an Orthodox Christian…
No they haven’t, not even all chalcedonian Christianity.
Yes they have, they dominated for many centuries, and are still the largest denomination.
Being the largest denomination does not mean they shaped all Christianity. In fact Christianity was shaped before the Catholics split, in the middle east and Asia Minor with Rome being a fringe player.
Their later innovations were mostly left unadopted by the other half of the church and also caused a new split resulting in major intra-Christian religious wars. In fact since Catholics are merely a plurality and not a majority most Christians reject, frankly an understatement, the defining characteristic of Catholicism, papal infallibility.
The pope does understand the Bible, and he knows damn well that he’s misrepresenting it. That’s his job (and always has been).
Read the Bible, see for yourself. If you are short on time, just read Revelation (the last book).
p.s. my most hated comment ever! THANK YOU fuck the pope
This dude is fucking nuts. Revelation is easily the dumbest book of the bible to recommend.
Agreed.
I mean, it’s my favorite book of the Bible. But it’s the most easily misunderstood and misinterpreted. The whole thing is an allegory written in a particular kind of prose, drawing on tropes common to a genre of writing scholars call “apocalypse.” But given that even lifelong Christians are unaware of this fact means that this is definitely not the book to recommend reading as an entry point. Unless you’re looking for inspiration for something to airbrush on the side of your bitchin’ van (hopefully one with a crescent moon bubble window on the back). Then by all means flip to the section right before the maps and get to sketching!
ABSOLUTELY. I love the book of Revelation, but too many don’t understand how to read apocalyptic literature, nor do they understand the source material to contextualize the heavy symbolism. I blame a ton of the dumbshit premillenial dispensationalism crudely hobbled together to resemble a form of eschatology on a poor understanding of Revelation, Dallas Theological Seminary for spreading the fuck out of it, and Schofield for being the dipass to keep it from remaining the obscure hallucinogenic ramblings of a (probably) sick pentecostal woman in England. Man there are so many cool things about the theology of hope and some strong influences of Stoic philosophy(again), but man does American theology love to fetishize about the unbelievers facing a gruesome divine genocide…
I don’t really consider myself a Christian anymore, but I have read the bible during the time I did. The only people I ever knew who were way into revelations were fucking stupid ass old people like my wife’s grandfather who was a miserable vindictive old man who had no admirable traits whatsoever. He was also definitely not aware of the intended meaning, he just like the shit about non-believers finally getting theirs.
Reading that book without the context of other books of the bible and like Paul’s writing in particular is just plain stupid. But I think understanding of also kind of requires other theological understanding.
Reading that book without the context of other books of the bible and like Paul’s writing in particular is just plain stupid.
Knowing the context makes it worse in my opinion, but you do you.
You know what’s really stupid? Thinking Jesus is a beacon of peace, He’s horrifying. If you can’t handle Him murdering everybody in a rage, you can’t get through the Bible anyway.
The crescent moon window is… Chef’s kiss
You’ve gone hysterical… it is the dumbest book, and that’s why I recommend it.
Careful, or Pestilence will ride you down like a mangy dog, or something
It’s the only “cool” book the rest is boring nonsense.
The only people I have ever heard qout revelations, are nutters, and people trying to get money. It reads like biblical fanfic.
My favorite part is the giant people-faced Scorpions wearing gold hats.
Yes, please, read the apocalyptic fever dream of a crazy man as proof that god exists. I’m totally convinced!
I didn’t recommend it to convince people that God exists.
Why should anyone care what the bible says?
The Bible permeates the USA and its government, it’s very useful for understanding why things are the way they are.
Thing is, they claim that they care about religion. Not sure how many deadly sins they are gobbling up with all of that because something doesn’t add up.
They’re def breaking every single commandment
Hannity thinks he (and Trump) knows more about how the Bible should be read and interpreted than the Pope?..
Do these people even hear themselves?
I mean MAGA is mostly made up of Protestants/Evangelicals. There was kinda a whole thing about thinking the pope was wrong
Doesn’t matter. Magats hear, believe and obey.
It’s not so much MAGATs. How can the news allow people to say stuff like this to the public.
The real issue is our quality expectations to the news distribution
Its because its not news. They have the title of news outlet. However they are a conservative commentary channel, and they don’t consider facts, neutrality or decour.
Even they have admitted that they are not news: “In 2020, Fox News successfully defended a defamation lawsuit involving Tucker Carlson by arguing that his program was primarily entertainment rather than factual reporting”
And that no reasonable person would mistake it for actual news.
Which is profoundly stupid, how hard would it have been to get 50 people who all believe fox news is and only is factual news.
It’s quite interesting how close hannity is to trump, he has seen having golf meetings with him
This is pretext for their base, to justify the Pope’s upcoming assassination by the US government.
Vance again?
That’s Vice President J(ust killed )D(a Pope) Vance for ya!
J(ust kille)D (a Pope)
ftfy
Nah I like “Da Pope” better for the D, good effort though.
Oooooh. I thought it was “Just killed d a pope”. Forgot about “da”. Thanks for clarifying!
Oh nah it’s cool! No worries. Yours is a good enough way to do it. Like I said I just like “Da Pope” better for the D, especially now with Pope Leo being from Chicago.
That’s a case I didn’t consider yet
The US are going to bomb the Vatican and send in the special forces to abduct the pope. It’s what they do.
I mean, this is pretty much a protestant viewpoint so… who cares?
Yes they don’t care
Religion is a cloak they wear, they don’t really believe it
They only hear the sound of cash flowing in their pockets
He’s The Fucking Pope, that’s like, his whole thing
